Re: Re: IMF

2001-05-19 Thread Fred Guy
I don't know that I'd bother following this list if Brad weren't on it. Not becuase I enjoy the fights, but because he offers an informed and vigorous response to the knee-jerk statisim that otherwise dominates the list. I call it statism rather than Marxism because I know of no other forum wh

Treas Sec O'Neil: Abolish Corporate Tax, Social Security & Medicare,

2001-05-19 Thread Nathan Newman
Well, it's nice to see a top Bush official being so clear on the goal of leaving the multinationals untaxed and gutting the Social Security and Medicare systems. Worth passing on- NN --- O'Neill lays out radical vision Source: The Financial Times Published: May 18 2001 19:18:25 Author:

Re: IMF

2001-05-19 Thread Ricardo Duchesne
In my own way I wish to second Fred Guy. Brad DeLong has no doubt overplayed the no-argument argument, which most be quite irritating to someone like Keaney who has put forth serious, well researched responses. But look at the position of DeLong trying to cope with relentless attacks coming

Reply to Ellen Meiksins Wood, part 1

2001-05-19 Thread Ricardo Duchesne
> I agree with Jim. That's basically the crux of the debate: what is > the most important causal mechanism that gave rise to capitalism, > i.e., M-C-M'? Not culture, not climate, not environment, not > geography, not demography (understood in the Malthusian sense), not > quantitative growth of

Re: Re: Re: IMF

2001-05-19 Thread Carrol Cox
Fred Guy wrote: > > ... knee-jerk statisim that otherwise dominates the > list. I call it statism rather than Marxism because I know of no other > forum where the policies of Juan Peron, the South Korean government and > state media monopolies (monopolies, not the Beeb) could all get such > sym

Re: Re: IMF

2001-05-19 Thread Brad DeLong
>In my own way I wish to second Fred Guy. Brad DeLong has no >doubt overplayed the no-argument argument, which most be quite >irritating to someone like Keaney who has put forth serious, well >researched responses... Back in the late 1970s I would have agreed with Keaney that the IMF's advice t

Re: Media

2001-05-19 Thread Seth Sandronsky
May 19, 2001 Hi Tim, In my view, we do well to look at the race and gender—as well as the class—dimensions of the attack on Pacifica radio. At KPFA in Berkeley, for instance, nonwhite and women programmers were the first to be purged from the air. Then, the assaults on programmers producing

Re: eonic effect

2001-05-19 Thread Nemonemini
Let me finally reanswer the question of the 'origins of capitalism' in terms of my extended statements. With this apparatus the answer is trivial, though still mysterious. The question of 'capitalism' requires being settled, to some degree, by definition.  Do we mean the Neolithic trade in obsid

Re: Did the Potato save China?

2001-05-19 Thread Ricardo Duchesne
A, if not the, crucial claim of the Great Divergence is that a Europe facing similar ecological constraints as China was saved by New World silver, timber, sugar, cotton and potatoes. The more I research this question, however, the more it seems China, not Europe, was recued from such a cris

Re: Reply to Ellen Meiksins Wood, part 1

2001-05-19 Thread Jim Devine
At 10:40 AM 05/19/2001 -0300, you wrote: > > I agree with Jim. That's basically the crux of the debate: what is > > the most important causal mechanism that gave rise to capitalism, > > i.e., M-C-M'? Not culture, not climate, not environment, not > > geography, not demography (understood in the

Re: Re: Re: IMF

2001-05-19 Thread Chris Burford
At 19/05/01 07:42 -0700, you wrote: >Back in the late 1970s I would have agreed with Keaney that the IMF's >advice to Britain was counterproductive. But the fact that Mitterand and >Carter both tried a "Keynesian" expansionary approach, and that their >policies crashed and burned, has to make

Re: Did the Potato save China?

2001-05-19 Thread Ricardo Duchesne
> A crisis was > looming, yes, as in Europe, "rural living standards did not improve > much, if at all, between 1800 and 1850", and "the next twenty five > years were catastrophic, featuring no less than four major civil wars, > massive floods, droughts, and other calamities..." (144) - but only

Fwd from Michael: IMF

2001-05-19 Thread Jim Devine
Michael Keaney says he's "off to Stockholm in a couple of days to brush up on [his] social skills." So I'm forwarding this message from him with regard to our little debate with Brad. Because Brad filters out my messages, he will not be receiving this. Could someone please forward this to him?

Re: Re: Media

2001-05-19 Thread Michael Pugliese
Re: Foundations. Just saw a new book by Mark Dowie, published by M.I.T.Press on the foundations like Ford, Pew, Rockefeller, etc. Blurbed by Ralph Nader. http://mitpress.mit.edu/book-home.tcl?isbn=0262041898 _American Foundations: An Investigative History _ Michael Pugliese - Original Message

Re: Re: Re: IMF

2001-05-19 Thread Jim Devine
At 12:37 PM 05/19/2001 +0100, you wrote: >I don't know that I'd bother following this list if Brad weren't on it. No-one has called for kicking him off, that I know of. I, for one, was asking him to be polite. >Not becuase I enjoy the fights, but because he offers an informed and >vigorous res

Re: Re: Re: Re: IMF

2001-05-19 Thread Michael Pugliese
Re: Peronism (Carrol see if Nestor Gorojovsky knows of this book), " Record # 1 Title : Peronism and Argentina / edited by James P. Brennan. M.P. http://emperors-clothes.com/petition/petition.htm http://www.emperors-clothes.com/header.htm Jared Israel, Nico Varkevisser and Nestor Gorojovsky, who

Did the Potato save China?

2001-05-19 Thread Ricardo Duchesne
I don't want to suggest that the potato was planted only in the regions (Shandong and Zhili/Hebein), regions which P so happened to mention (accidentally) as areas of substantial demographic growth after 1750. As we will see below, it came to occupy a critical role in Shandong but am not sure

Re: Fwd from Michael: IMF

2001-05-19 Thread Michael Perelman
I agree with much in this message, except for the personal material. Jim need not mention Brad's filtering and Michael need not make the subject Brad (as he does at times), but his ideas. I am hoping that we can continue without the acrimony -- no tit for tat from either side. Jim Devine wrote:

Did the Potato eased China's constraints?

2001-05-19 Thread Ricardo Duchesne
The subject title of this thread should not have been "did the potato save China" for China was not saved. Rather, the potato benefited China more than Europe and eased her constraints, allowing her population to grow after 1800, more than it would have, but China still reached its *absolute*

Re: Reply to Ellen Meiksins Wood, part 1

2001-05-19 Thread Yoshie Furuhashi
Jim D. says: >Further, in some circumstances (but not all), "books, research, >debate, history" are _not needed_. Yoshie was making a simple >theoretical point, about what's important. If one follows Marx's >definition and theory of capitalism -- which is somewhat cryptically >summarized as M

Re: Re: Re: Re: IMF

2001-05-19 Thread Fred Guy
Jim Devine wrote: > > There's a big difference between _attacking an individual_ (ad hominem) and > _attacking an argument_. The rules of Congress may encourage politeness, > but that's a democracy of the few, of the elite and powerful. We need to > put said "democracy" into context, which is wh

Re: Re: Re: IMF

2001-05-19 Thread Christian Gregory
> > Back in the late 1970s I would have agreed with Keaney that the IMF's > advice to Britain was counterproductive. But the fact that Mitterand > and Carter both tried a "Keynesian" expansionary approach, and that > their policies crashed and burned, has to make you think again. In > retrospect,

Re: Re: IMF

2001-05-19 Thread Jim Devine
Duchesne says: >Devine complains DeLong does not answer; well, isn't there a point at >which one should ceased talking to a stalker? this is flame-bait. I have in no way "stalked" Brad. Stalking involves physical presence of some sort. It's also illegal, isn't it? Being willing to argue with

Economists pursuit of Positional Goods, was Re: IMF

2001-05-19 Thread Ian Murray
[Surely of some pertinence and lest the biggest threat to academic freedom becomes one's fellow academics and, of course, real world irrelevance...I cut some of "the fat" from the essay, but provided the link for those interested] http://csf.colorado.edu/bcas/sympos/sylie.htm Moral Ambiguity, D

Re: Did the Potato save China?

2001-05-19 Thread Michael Perelman
What is the Bray book? There is a 1983 book on rice, but no 1986 book that I could find. I already mentioned the potato a while ago, suggesting that you look at The Social and Economic History of the Potato. Ricardo Duchesne wrote: > I don't want to suggest that the potato was planted only in

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: IMF

2001-05-19 Thread Brad DeLong
>Jim Devine wrote: > >> >> There's a big difference between _attacking an individual_ (ad hominem) and >> _attacking an argument_. The rules of Congress may encourage politeness, >> but that's a democracy of the few, of the elite and powerful. We need to >> put said "democracy" into context, w

Re: Re: Re: Re: IMF

2001-05-19 Thread Brad DeLong
> >More importantly, I thought the whole point of the criticisms of the IMF was >precisely this: that it has treated the financial crises of Mexico and Asia >like they were crises of excess demand and exogenous shock for the developed >world in the 70's. Why would the remedy for one be similar to

Re: IMF

2001-05-19 Thread Michael Perelman
Brad, come on. I asked Michael K. to cool it, because I thought you had. Nobody benefits from repeatedly going over the same tit for tat stuff. You made your case fairly clearly in your last post, calling for a kinder-gentler IMF. Let me ask a question about that post: Is the role of the IMF to

Bankers and the United State of Europe

2001-05-19 Thread Ian Murray
So do we trust these bankers? ... Or the economists who claim to have all the answers on whether to join, asks Faisal Islam Observer Election Special Guardian Unlimited Politics Sunday May 20, 2001 The Observer Politicians have long been able to fish out the appropriate economist to back any p