Without being an authority: acts of war are ALWAYS excluded. (There are
probably exceptions through custom policies, such as that offered by
Lloyds.) Acts of terrorism are SOMETIMES excluded - depending upon
whether the exclusion is written into the specific policy.
BTW - what is hydro=nuclear?
Jim D. qualifies:
Even if these aspirations aren't always legitimate, the US and its
allies
need to learn to treat other countries and people with respect, i.e., to
realize that people who don't think in terms of the official
Pentagon/State
Department party line deserve to have aspirations.
At Nauru President Tebururo Tito of Kiribati warned: 'Globalisation and
economic liberalisation ...may create untameable and unpredictable free
market forces. These forces, in my view, steer the most powerful economies
on earth in a direction that could take humankind back to the sociologists'
G'day all,
Item: From yesterday's Lehrer panelwank: If we're gonna do this right ...
aircraft, a naval presence, and ground troops ... we're not talking surgical
strikes ... 10 000 bin Laden terrorists in 50 countries ... .
Item: NATO, for the first time in its history, invokes a collective
Rob writes:
Item: From yesterday's Lehrer panelwank: If we're gonna do this right
...
aircraft, a naval presence, and ground troops ... we're not talking
surgical
strikes ... 10 000 bin Laden terrorists in 50 countries ... .
=
In my earlier missive I neglected to mention another aspect of
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From: Mark Jones [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
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At 13/09/2001 11:52, Stanwrote:
Many of us participated in the Crashlist, where we gained a keen
If I understand what Warren Christopher, Warren Rudman, Sandy Berger, Bill
Kristol, Lawrence Eagleburger, Henry Kissinger and Richard Holbrooke, among
others, have been saying in the last twelve to fifteen hours, the Bush
administration is planning a regional war against the entire Arab world,
At 12:14 PM 09/13/2001 +0300, you wrote:
It seems that we have some way to go before the recognition of imperial
decline sinks in. Until then we're going to be subject to ever-more
frenetic efforts to impose the US power elite's sovereign will upon all
and sundry.
I am not convinced that
From: Americans for Democratic Action
[mailto:Americans for Democratic Action]
Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 9:43 AM
September 13
ADA CONDEMNS GRUESOME TERROR ATTACK
Americans for Democratic Action condemns the horrific attack against our
country.
We have had our differences with
My buddy Steve is no longer with Cato.
He started his own outfit, the Club
for Growth, and spends his time ministering
to the ideological fantasies of rich
libertarian types.
The article is breathtakingly ignorant,
among many other reasons because
in the discussion of the NAIRU he fails
utterly
I wouldn't be too sure of that.
Hi
Perhaps we can discuss the Global Communist Group's programme. Surely somone
on
the list has bothered to read and has a some view on it.
Karl
To read or download our global communist programme click the following:
At 07:18 AM 09/13/2001 -0700, you wrote:
If I understand what Warren Christopher, Warren Rudman, Sandy Berger, Bill
Kristol, Lawrence Eagleburger, Henry Kissinger and Richard Holbrooke, among
others, have been saying in the last twelve to fifteen hours, the Bush
administration is planning a
Jim
If you read what you just wrote I think you end up answering your
initial question. Winning a war in Afghanistan would be easy, true, but
it's the occupation that will sap the energy, as will the inevitable
police actions that must be taken as a direct consequence of any such
effort. Mark's
A war on Afganistan would be easy in the sense that the US/NATO military
powers could overwhelm theirs, but creating a stable government would be
difficult.
On Thu, Sep 13, 2001 at 07:37:07AM -0700, Jim Devine wrote:
At 12:14 PM 09/13/2001 +0300, you wrote:
It seems that we have some way to go
My fearless forecast, informed by nothing but
my debatable reservoir of common sense, is that
much less in the way of actual action will result
from all this than anyone thinks. To be sure,
lots of money will be spent. The Gov is good
at that.
But all options being raised will prove to be much
Jim Devine:
I am not convinced that imperial decline is real. That kind of process is
reversible. Also, what specifically do you mean? The US industrial economy
may be in decline, but its military and financial might are undimmed. The
US/NATO as a whole is still pretty strong. The
Resende Manuel wrote:
Rob Schaap wrote:
Item: The European Union: We will spare
no effort to help identify, bring to
justice and punish
those responsible, EU foreign ministers
said in a strongly worded statement
after an emergency meeting in Brussels.
I hope this means that they are
At 05:46 PM 9/13/01 +0300, you wrote:
Jim
If you read what you just wrote I think you end up answering your
initial question. Winning a war in Afghanistan would be easy, true, but
it's the occupation that will sap the energy, as will the inevitable
police actions that must be taken as a direct
At 05:17 PM 9/13/01 +0200, you wrote:
Jim Devine:
I am not convinced that imperial decline is real. That kind of process is
reversible. Also, what specifically do you mean? The US industrial economy
may be in decline, but its military and financial might are undimmed. The
US/NATO as a
Jim D. wrote:
The US industrial economy
may be in decline, but its military and financial might are undimmed.
The
US/NATO as a whole is still pretty strong. The transnationals are
running
the world economy. Etc.
=
I think the revisionist official explanation for the Asian crisis,
whose
How does one get on Michael Moore's mailing list?
Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://bellarmine.lmu.edu/~jdevine
The other twin towers that collapsed tuesday were market orthodoxy and
high-tech idolatry. I'm seeing reports of massive coordinated central bank
intervention to forestall financial panic. I cannot imagine a quick return
to 'normalcy'. It is likely that without the terror attacks, at best
From the Guardian's breaking news pages:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uslatest/story/0,1282,-1169377,00.html
Tax Relief For Victims' Families
Thursday September 13, 2001 4:50 PM
WASHINGTON (AP) - Victims of the terrorist attacks and their
families would get tax breaks previously reserved for
stating that UAL 93 was a 747. The
UAL web site at ual.com seems to softly affirm that it was
757.
http://us.news2.yimg.com/f/42/31/7m/dailynews.yahoo.com/h/nm/20010913/ts
/attack_pennsylvania_dc_3.html
timeline:http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,34229,00.html
Oh well. Michael Perelman
[was: Re: [PEN-L:17028] the attack]
I wrote:
The US industrial economy may be in decline, but its military and
financial might are undimmed. The US/NATO as a whole is still pretty
strong. The transnationals are running the world economy. Etc.
Michael Keaney writes:
I think the revisionist
I skimmed the GCG platform. I don't see a strong statement against
violence and war. Thus, I can't consider supporting it. If I missed
something important, please point it out to me.
The Left must take the high road on the issue of violence. We must
renounce it except when immediate danger
At 01:11 PM 9/13/01 -0500, you wrote:
Oh well. Michael Perelman will probably tell me to stop posting this
irrelevant speculation.
would pen-l even exist without irrelevant speculation?
Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://bellarmine.lmu.edu/~jdevine
Tom Walker wrote:
The other twin towers that collapsed tuesday were market orthodoxy and
high-tech idolatry.
--Yesterday I heard a remarkable interview with the father of a young man
who was killed in the Panam bombing over Lockerbie (sic) 13 years ago.
First, the WTC/Pentagon terrorism
No, any war against Afghanistan would not be easy. The trouble is that
the entire region is unstable. India/Pakistan, China/India,
China/Russia, China/Tibet, and Pakistan/Afghanistan are just the well
known enmities. Eurasia is a scattering of former SSR's. Would they
welcome a US-led attack?
At 09:39 AM 9/13/01 -0700, you wrote:
In all likelyhood, NMD will survive symbolically, but only symbolically. The
real mobilization will have to be the labour intensive mobilization of a
population. Spin doctors and high-tech toys are effective only in the
de-mobilization of a population.
Re nuclear hydro power. I meant nuclear power plants. I didnt mean to
invent some new hybrid plant! I dont live in Ontario by the way. Most of our
power plants are hydro power here in Manitoba. We are fortunate in having
ample supplies for now and export quite a bit south.
Cheers, Ken Hanly
://clam.rutgers.edu/~ahagen/outlook2001.html
Also, The United States will respond to terrorist attacks on New York
and Washington with a sustained military campaign, Deputy Defense
Secretary Paul Wolfowitz said Thursday
http://us.news2.yimg.com/f/42/31/7m/dailynews.yahoo.com/h/ap/20010913/ts
to supply additional
money to banks would soon be followed by further interest rate cuts,
possibly before the next Fed meeting on Oc
2.
http://us.news2.yimg.com/f/42/31/7m/dailynews.yahoo.com/h/ap/20010913/ts
/attacks_economy_19.html
?
At this point, however, I remain very skeptical that UAL 93
was shot
down.
So far, I haven't seen any more news stating that UAL 93 was
a 747. The
UAL web site at ual.com seems to softly affirm that it was
757.
http://us.news2.yimg.com/f/42/31/7m/dailynews.yahoo.com/h/nm/20010913/ts
Michael Keaney wrote:
Jim
If you read what you just wrote
What post are you referring to?
Carrol
Jim Devine wrote:
A
* I disagree with Adam Smith's view that services are unproductive.
I would like to see more on this. In addition, some things that are
called service look an awful lot like factories to me. Why should one
call the production of food in a MacDonalds service labor
The Globe and MailSeptember 12, 2001
So much for that missile shield
By Geoffrey York
Moscow -- Within minutes of yesterday's terrorist attacks in New York City
and Washington, U.S. defence officials were facing their first volley of
tough questions. Why were they pouring massive
Would it make any difference. Would insurance ever cover acts of terrorism?
I thought that damage due to terrorism or insurrection would be
automatically excluded. But no doubt someone with more expertise can set us
straight.
No, an insurance policy t is a contract. It can have any lawful
Jane's Intelligence Review 26 July 2001
'Blowback'
During the 1980s, resistance fighters in Afghanistan developed a
world-wide recruitment and support network with the aid of the USA,
Saudi Arabia and other states. After the 1989 Soviet withdrawal, this
network, which equipped, trained and
http://www.msnbc.com/news/627565_asp.htm
Stephen Philion
Lecturer/PhD Candidate
Department of Sociology
2424 Maile Way
Social Sciences Bldg. # 247
Honolulu, HI 96822
Jim, are you trying to create an infinite regress of irrelevant
speculation?
On Thu, Sep 13, 2001 at 10:23:47AM -0700, Jim Devine wrote:
At 01:11 PM 9/13/01 -0500, you wrote:
Oh well. Michael Perelman will probably tell me to stop posting this
irrelevant speculation.
would pen-l even exist
The television network ABC News reported this afternoon (about 2:20 pm
EDT) on air that once bin Laden is named as the source, retaliation
will come swiftly. A few minutes later, though, another ABC reporter
said that a retaliation effort could take months. (Of course, it
wouldn't take months to
Letter to the editor of The Minneapolis Star Tribune
-- Forwarded message --
Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 09:47:44 -1000 (HST)
From: Stephen E Philion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Letter on Anti-Arab sentiment/attacks
Re: Ahmed Tharwat's discomfort as an Arab
oops, i just noticed where I wrote 'Non-American', I meant to wrtie
'non-Arab American'.
Steve
To the editor:
One horrendous episode was missing from the list of previous terrorist
attacks that appeared in today’s New York Times (2001-9-12: A18) – the
1976 mid-air bombing of a Cuban passenger airliner that claimed the lives
of all 73 people on board. As President Bush considers
Today's Wall Street Journal's number one What's News item says:
The Fed worked aggressively to meet skyrocketing demand for cash, including pumping
billions of dollars into the banking system and sending out extra cash by armored car.
The central bank issued an emergency statement promising to
How much depleted uranium do the planes use for balast? Does anybody know
anything about the dangers that DU pose for NY and Washington?
--
Michael Perelman
Economics Department
California State University
Chico, CA 95929
Tel. 530-898-5321
E-Mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.infowar.com/iwftp/cloaks/00/24_Jul_2000_to_25_Jul_2000_(_2000-154
).shtml
HART-RUDMAN COMMISSION. The Phase I and Phase II Reports
of the US Commission on National Security are on-line (PDF format) at the
web site below. Phase I looks at future threats to national security
and Phase
Justin Schwartz wrote:
Would it make any difference. Would insurance ever cover acts of terrorism?
I thought that damage due to terrorism or insurrection would be
automatically excluded. But no doubt someone with more expertise can set us
straight.
No, an insurance policy t is a contract. It
At 01:40 PM 9/13/01 -0500, you wrote:
Jim Devine wrote:
* I disagree with Adam Smith's view that services are unproductive.
I would like to see more on this. In addition, some things that are
called service look an awful lot like factories to me. Why should one
call the production of food in
Yup.
At 12:27 PM 9/13/01 -0700, you wrote:
Jim, are you trying to create an infinite regress of irrelevant
speculation?
On Thu, Sep 13, 2001 at 10:23:47AM -0700, Jim Devine wrote:
At 01:11 PM 9/13/01 -0500, you wrote:
Oh well. Michael Perelman will probably tell me to stop posting this
At 03:58 PM 9/13/01 -0500, you wrote:
William Safire reports that Bush wanted to fly back to Washington from
Florida the morning of September 11. I don't want some tinhorn
terrorists keeping me out of Washington. Then, a message was
intercepted that said, Air Force One is next. (Could the
Many have linked the 1993 bombing of the WTC with the attack of
September 11. Since the 1993 bombing, associates linked to Osama bin
Laden have been prosecuted, convicted, and sentenced to life in prison
in the United States.
One little noticed book makes the strange claim that it was not bin
Take a look at these webpgs.The Federation of American Scientists is always
reliable.
http://directory.google.com/Top/Society/Issues/War,_Weapons_and_Defense/Nucl
ear/Depleted_Uranium/
Michael Pugliese
- Original Message -
From: Michael Perelman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.anti-fascism.org/page-special-wtc.html
As I spend way too much of my time reading the posts on the list (and
occasionally LBO), I am compelled to comment.
The majority of the comments are what I expected. Utter moral confusion.
Futile attempts to fit the events into your preexisting world views. As
Marxists or Marxist influenced,
Never mind it is a hoax. There are several versions. Most have some
relationship to actual prophecies of Nostradamus and one version actually
occurs verbatim on a Nostradamus website. However, it was not put there as
representing an actual prophecy of Nostradamus. The two last lines of this
David Shemano wrote:
As I spend way too much of my time reading the posts on the list (and
occasionally LBO), I am compelled to comment.
The majority of the comments are what I expected. Utter moral confusion.
as far as I can tell, for you utter moral confusion means disagreeing
with your
Edward Said has two current pieces of interest. The first is an
important and well written essay on what roles Leftist intellectuals
can and should play now. The article, The Public Role of Writers and
Intellectuals, is in The Nation.
http://www.thenation.com/doc.mhtml?i=20010917s=said
The
Sprach David:
... Those who are my enemy are attacking the underlying
platform that both you and I depend upon. If you do not agree, you
are my enemy.
Responded Jim:
that's exactly the way zombie-fanatics like Osama bin Laden think.
Anyone with doubts is a heretic and thus an enemy.
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