Yoshie writes: ?The idea of the occupier polling the occupied with a view to using
the results for propaganda purposes is patently absurd, but you
obviously don't think it is -- very perplexing.<
it reminds me of an old cartoon in the NEW YORKER, back in the 1960s: two South
Vietnamese soldiers a
At 9:17 PM -0600 3/26/04, Carrol Cox wrote:
Yoshie Furuhashi wrote:
At 4:07 PM -0800 3/26/04, Devine, James wrote:
people do often reply to polls by saying what they feel they "ought to" say.
They often do even under "normal" circumstances in the United
States (e.g., Americans overstate their chur
>
> Doug and Joel ought to remember that Iraq is *under foreign military
> occupation conducting counterinsurgency warfare* with censorship,
> checkpoints, house raids, arbitrary arrest and detention, no due
> process, etc. -- i.e. Iraqis do not have freedom of speech.
>
I'm not sure why I'm being
Probably shouldn't confuse a UN assessment team and advisor that
won't even number the same as the 1,000 bureaucrats that were in
Iraq last September.
The United Nations is in the business of supporting what Washington wants:
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Craven, Jim wrote:
In the case of the "Reality shows", they are relatively cheap to
produce, focus on trappings of wealth (temporary) like being set in
exotic locales and big mansions, and of course utilize, celebrate,
preach, reward and reinforce: rat-race individualism, greed,
selfishness, intri
Probably shouldn't confuse a UN assessment team and advisor that won't even
number the same as the 1,000 bureaucrats that were in Iraq last September.
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U.S. Officials Fashion Legal Basis to Keep Force in Iraq
by John F Burns and Thom Shanker
BAGHDAD, Iraq With fewer than 100 days to go before Iraq resumes its
sovereignty, American officials say they believe they have found a legal
basis for American troops to continue their military control ov
"Devine, James" wrote:
Quoting someone:
>
> > Some folks sititng in university offices in the United States often will
And there are some folks who never choose to argue with specific
arguments from specific opponents. They prefer to set up ghostly (and
mostly nonexistent) opponents with silly ar
Yoshie Furuhashi wrote:
>
> At 4:07 PM -0800 3/26/04, Devine, James wrote:
> >people do often reply to polls by saying what they feel they "ought to" say.
>
> They often do even under "normal" circumstances in the United States
> (e.g., Americans overstate their church attendance).
>
> Doug and Joe
I think that this thread regarding polls is becoming repetitive.
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At 9:20 PM -0500 3/26/04, Doug Henwood wrote:
Doug and Joel ought to remember that Iraq is *under foreign
military occupation conducting counterinsurgency warfare* with
censorship, checkpoints, house raids, arbitrary arrest and
detention, no due process, etc. -- i.e. Iraqis do not have freedom
of s
At 6:29 PM -0500 3/26/04, Joel Wendland wrote:
Most Iraqis of a democratic perpsuasion would prefer the presence of
UN peacekeepers for the maintenance of security. Ahmed Chalabi,
Bush's point man in the IGC, has tried to deny this and say that
Iraqis don't want or need a UN presence, but he and hi
Yoshie Furuhashi wrote:
Doug and Joel ought to remember that Iraq is *under foreign military
occupation conducting counterinsurgency warfare* with censorship,
checkpoints, house raids, arbitrary arrest and detention, no due
process, etc. -- i.e. Iraqis do not have freedom of speech.
And I know it'
Yoshie Furuhashi wrote:
Doug and Joel ought to remember that Iraq is *under foreign military
occupation conducting counterinsurgency warfare* with censorship,
checkpoints, house raids, arbitrary arrest and detention, no due
process, etc. -- i.e. Iraqis do not have freedom of speech.
Since you clea
> [A pretty good column...]
And one more sizeable step in his suprisingly swift evolution away from
mainstream economic thinking and towards common sense:
> There's a lesson in this experience. Sometimes there's no magic in the
> free market - in fact, it can be a hindrance. Health insurance is o
Yoshie Furuhashi wrote:
It's absurd to think that the occupied can freely say what they
believe if they suspect that they have a good chance of talking to
an informer.
Then why did nearly 20% say that it was ok to attack U.S. troops?
Why did something like 50% say they had unfavorable opinions of
This is a very interesting story. The US wants to justify its position
on moral grounds, which supposedly trump trade rules.
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/03/26/technology/26gamble.html
--
Michael Perelman
Economics Department
California State University
michael at ecst.csuchico.edu
Chico, CA 959
Yoshie Furuhashi wrote:
It's absurd to think that the occupied can freely say what they
believe if they suspect that they have a good chance of talking to an
informer.
Then why did nearly 20% say that it was ok to attack U.S. troops? Why
did something like 50% say they had unfavorable opinions of
At 4:07 PM -0800 3/26/04, Devine, James wrote:
people do often reply to polls by saying what they feel they "ought to" say.
They often do even under "normal" circumstances in the United States
(e.g., Americans overstate their church attendance).
Doug and Joel ought to remember that Iraq is *under f
Yoshie Furuhashi wrote:
Are the current occupiers in Iraq the first belligerent occupier in
history to poll the occupied in the hope of having the world accept
the polling results as a justification for the occupation?
Did you actually read the results of the Gallup Poll? The opinions
were very mi
> Some folks sititng in university offices in the United States often will
> attribute to those in other parts of the world who aren't saying what they
> want them to say (or can't really hear what they are syaing) the quality of
> being a "tool."
On the other hand, people do often reply to polls
The occupation is a situation with no good options at all. For the US to stay, for
the US to pack up and leave immediately, or for the United Nations to come in all
have negative consequences. In addition, a discussion like this necessarily involves
several different measures that various partici
Joel wrote:
Some folks sititng in university offices in the United States often will
attribute to those in other parts of the world who aren't saying what they
want them to say (or can't really hear what they are syaing) the quality of
being a "tool."
I am at a university, but I occupy a cubicle ra
Some folks sititng in university offices in the United States often will
attribute to those in other parts of the world who aren't saying what they
want them to say (or can't really hear what they are syaing) the quality of
being a "tool."
It is pretty clear from Iraqi sources apart from this poll
"[UFCW organizing leader Mike] Leonard says his dpartment receives
approximately 100 web-generated messages daily from Wal-Mart workers ...
that organizers turn into contacts." (Labor Notes, April 2004, p. 7)
>
Date:Wed, 24 Mar 2004 07:56:43 -0800
From:Michael Perelman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Regarding your first point, authors according to Biernacki, were paid by the page.
Goethe was upset that he was paid identically with the creator of some trash. The
only way to win an economic advantage was to produce more pages per hour. Perhaps,
this can lead to the creation of Internet com
Maybe Michael Hoover or Yoshie can help us out, but I think that the morality police
during the 30s pressured Hollywood not to show class conflict.
Michael, a distant relative of the Warner Bros, both of whose grandfathers along with
many others in town, were offered a $50 partnership, and whose o
With the cowboys, the railroad people, bankers, and owners of large
estates were often the bad guys.
--
Michael Perelman
Economics Department
California State University
Chico, CA 95929
Tel. 530-898-5321
E-Mail michael at ecst.csuchico.edu
Very perceptive. You can of course add us "savage Indians
Gil writes:
> But Michael, "number of pages produced" is a measure of labor
> performed, not labor power.
I was going to say something similar, but held off, since Michael doesn't seem to like
discussions of Marxian value theory. Note that "number of pages produced" isn't a very
good measure
Yoshie Furuhashi wrote:
Are the current occupiers in Iraq the first belligerent occupier in
history to poll the occupied in the hope of having the world accept
the polling results as a justification for the occupation?
Did you actually read the results of the Gallup Poll? The opinions
were very mi
With the cowboys, the railroad people, bankers, and owners of large estates were
often the bad guys.
--
Michael Perelman
Economics Department
California State University
Chico, CA 95929
Tel. 530-898-5321
E-Mail michael at ecst.csuchico.edu
At 2:27 PM -0500 3/26/04, Doug Henwood wrote:
It's mind-boggling for leftists such as Milan Rai to suggest that
Western pollsters, whose governments are belligerent occupiers in
Iraq, could get honest answers from the Iraqis whom they survey in
the occupied territory. How would the Iraqis know if
Ellen Goodman in today’s San Francisco Chronicle says that atheist Michael
Newdow’s constitutional challenge to the American Pledge of Allegiance may
be nettlesome, but raises important questions of principle.
Newdow, an emergency room doctor with a law degree, was allowed to argue his
own case be
Actually, there is historical evidence that during the Ottoman period a
primitive technique of poll taking was developed and used in certain
"Sancak"s, including in the region what we nowaday call Iraq.
Doug Henwood wrote:
He attributed their enthusiasm to the fact that no one had
asked their opin
Yoshie Furuhashi wrote:
It's mind-boggling for leftists such as Milan Rai to suggest that
Western pollsters, whose governments are belligerent occupiers in
Iraq, could get honest answers from the Iraqis whom they survey in
the occupied territory. How would the Iraqis know if the "pollsters"
weren
Lou wrote;
Until there is a level playing field in Iraq, it seems rather
pointless to pay attention to Western pollsters.
It's mind-boggling for leftists such as Milan Rai to suggest that
Western pollsters, whose governments are belligerent occupiers in
Iraq, could get honest answers from the Iraq
But Michael, "number of pages produced" is a measure of labor performed,
not labor power. And in Marxian terms, "the value produced by labor" is to
some extent redundant, since to Marx labor *is* the substance of value,
no? It would be more accurate to say on the basis of your example that the
Bri
Michael,
The trade says that LNG imports make sense if the domestic price of gas
is around $5.00 mcf. It has been above that level for a year or so,
after trading "normally" from $2.50 to 3.50 in recent years.
Gene Coyle
Michael Perelman wrote:
I had my realized before your last message that so
Title: Message
Does anyone know of
work being done to analyze emergences/passings/dominance of various genres in
media/"pop culture" (content, scope, impacts, sponsors, target demographics,
revenues, linkages, methods of competition etc) and the shifting SSA and
SSA requirements of Monopoly
One nice primer I have found regarding the Fannie Mae & Freddie Mac
operations
http://www.cbo.gov/showdoc.cfm?index=13&sequence=2
--
Michael Perelman
Economics Department
California State University
Chico, CA 95929
Tel. 530-898-5321
E-Mail michael at ecst.csuchico.edu
I don't know about Dickens, but yes, even Marx complained about having
to make his book long for the damn German publisher.
On Fri, Mar 26, 2004 at 09:10:13AM -0800, Devine, James wrote:
>
> that would explain the verbose style of German authors?
>
> but wasn't Dickens paid by the word?
>
> Jim D
>in German[y] publishers paid authors by the number
of pages they produced rather than by the sales of the books.<
that would explain the verbose style of German authors?
but wasn't Dickens paid by the word?
Jim D.
In a way, the violinists' demands are not as strange as they seem.
Richard Biernacki has argued that the Germans and the British had a
different conception of labor -- the Germans historically measured labor
by something like Marx's labor power; the British, by the value produced
by labor. For exa
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some of my best friends are Philistines.
Not all Philistines are philistines.
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On Znet you can find an article by Milan Rai (author of a worthwhile
study of Noam Chomsky) that argues that the antiwar movement should not
call for immediate withdrawal. Why? Because, according to recent polls,
the Iraqis--no matter how much they are fed up with the occupation--are
afraid of the
[A pretty good column...]
March 26, 2004/New York TIMES
OP-ED COLUMNIST
The Medicare Muddle
By PAUL KRUGMAN
In advance of Tuesday's reports by the Social Security and Medicare
trustees, some credulous journalists wrote stories based on tips from
advocates of Social Security privatization, who cl
some of my best friends are Philistines.
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On Friday, March 26, 2004 at 07:00:34 (-0800) Devine, James writes:
>is he going to run for the Senate from Minnesota?
He said he was thinking about it, but not until 2008, perhaps??
He said he had a radio show to do first.
Bright guy. I think his lack of criticism of Kerry is lame,
as is his as
JD wrote:
"Wagner's music is better than it sounds." -- Mark Twain (paraphrased).
Mark Twain was making a perceptive comment on contemporary
American standards of musical performance, not a philistine
denegration of one of the greatest composers ever.
Shane Mage
"When we read on a printed page the
Bill Lear wrote:
>
> On Friday, March 26, 2004 at 06:52:41 (+0100) Gassler Robert writes:
> >We can either reject an important symbol for all sorts of
> >intellectual reasons, or embrace it and tap into the emotions of a
> >majority of the population. If the flag has been used against the
> >left s
is he going to run for the Senate from Minnesota?
JD
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Even better, in the case of stuff by Wagner, just don't do it.
JD
"Wagner's music is better than it sounds." -- Mark Twain (paraphrased).
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Q. 9. Why do liberals like you, Al Franken, hate America?
A. Liberals like me love America. We just love America in a
different way. You love America like a 4-year-old loves his
mommy. Liberals love America like grown-ups. To a 4-year-old,
everything Mommy does is wond
On Friday, March 26, 2004 at 06:52:41 (+0100) Gassler Robert writes:
>We can either reject an important symbol for all sorts of
>intellectual reasons, or embrace it and tap into the emotions of a
>majority of the population. If the flag has been used against the
>left so effectively, why insist on
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> Attached (and pasted in below) you will find a proposed resolution
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> PATRIOT Act. (Please note th
F A C I N G S O U T H
A progressive Southern news report
March 25, 2004 * Issue 77
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INSTITUTE INDEX * The State Of Things
Number of voters age 18-29 who think "the country is off on the wrong track": 58
Number of states that have created as many jobs as President Bush predicted last year
To be honest, this is just more evidence of German
overmanning. Does an orchestra really need two
trombone players, a timpanist and an oboist, each of
whom only plays a couple of notes? Surely there's some
scope for retraining multitasking and flexible labour
practices here. If everyone achieved
Russia raises growth forecast
AFP
March 25, 2004
MOSCOW - Russia's economy chief has raised the nation's growth forecast for
the next year by more than one percentage point only days after President
Vladimir Putin scolded him in public for moving too slowly on reform.
Russia's Economic Developmen
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