I agree with most of Doug's message, reproduced in full below. However, I
disagree with the direction of causation. Doug correctly (imho) points out
that while the right is becoming more and more organized, the left is
floundering, splintered into dozens of small pieces. If I read the message
No, opera is opera and pomo is pomo. I was merely observing my own reasons
for loving opera -- I'm sure there are many (hmmm, now that I've said that, I
suppose that's a very pomo statement).
I still read pomo work, in fact, there have been persons, still alive, who
have pointed out some of the
I must say, I preferred Carmen (or Turandot or ...) when I did not understand
the words, there was no translation, and I could make up the story to go with
the characters and the music and the scenery. Now that they have that big
translation over the stage at Lincoln Center I have dropped my
This was sent and re-sent, hope it gets through. maggie
Subject: Fwd: [PEN-L:7158] Re: Pomo: Swimming or drawning
Bill, I'm not sure if we agree or disagree -- but maybe that's pomo at its
best!
I think that pomo has been very useful in some senses -- it has certainly
forced diversity into a
I think pomo is seen as difficult to engage because it's core concept is that
there is more than one truth. If one can't preach the ultimate truth, then
one can't be a hero. If one can't be a hero, one will take her/his toys and
go home.
sincerely,
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Dear Nathan;
I think you're right. It has also been my experience that when a group
massively withdraws a petition to organize, they have been subject to some
form of systematic harrassment. I had forgotten all about Taft-Hartley until
I read your earlier message. This has been used
I think clean teeth are a product.
I also think that the prejudice against service workers as not at the heart
of production arises out of the fact that most service workers are women,
hence not worthy of MANLY consideration in revolutionary theory,
if this message sounds a tad sarcastic, it is
I work in a unionized setting, so, it is not necessary for me to adopt the
goals of the company I work for. However, it seems that non-union workers,
especially those on the fast track up, do need to adopt company goals. I
still think, though, that non-profits require a dedication which is not
The problem with all indexes measuring market concentration, including
Herfindahl, is deciding what makes up a company in an industry. Since the
merger and diversification craze of the 1980s, most corporations own pieces
of very diverse markets. The other problems with all concentration indexes
Friends who work for progressive organizations tell me that the fastest way
to turn a progressive place conservative is to mention unionizing the
workers. Currently I have about a half dozen friends who work/worked for
either lefty type organizations or unions and every last one of them has a
I'm not sure I understand the transposition of my comments from private
progressive organizations to a public sphere. I think the characteristics of
the two sectors are quite different. The public sphere is highly unionized,
and monitored by a phalanx of civil service rules. These help control
I would urge everyone on pen-l to fill the white house email with messages
about the inhuman treatment being unilaterally inflicted on Afghan women --
messages about same follow. you can all email Clinton at:
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maggie coleman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Query: Who 'owns' and maintains the internet today? maggie coleman
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I think this comes under the heading of what goes around comes around.
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Oh My! Poor Shawgi --
"Glory Season" Sci Fi, fem style. maggie
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Let me add another major category of stuff I'm looking for re the annotated
I have to agree with the following two, er maybe three, sentiments, plus a
thought or two of my own:
1. Sid sends high volume but engages in conversation with others on the
list.
2. Shawgi just sends, does not converse. IMHO, this is preaching, even
though I too agree with a piece of Shawgi's
Just to add a couple of points to Max's about the regressivity of the tax
code:
sales tax is a flat tax, and the poor pay more than the wealthy in two ways
on sales tax:
1. the poor consume all of their income, and, up to relatively high levels
of income, 'dissave' (using a keynesian term) at
(y)M*W=(y)D
M=money
W=work
D=debt
y=percentage of income spent on consumption
If one cancels the y out, then all the money earned at work goes to debt. If
one does not work, one does not incur debt. (HA)
maggie coleman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I hit the delete key every time I see Shawgi's messages, primarily because I
hate being preached to -- even if there is a vague chance I might agree with
the message. However, It is getting very, very tiring having to monitor my
entire message list for possible shawgi's before reading said list,
wow. maggie coleman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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William Vickery was killed in a car wreck last night. He
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One of my students who works for a radio station called to
tell me the details of Vickrey's
Dear Enid;
Refer your student to REAL WORLD MICRO by dollars and sense, sixth edition,
"Bare Minimum: A Low minimum Wage Depresses all Wages." pp. 20-24. From the
viewpoint of standard, neo-classical, micro theory, the argument is that
minimum wage sets the standard for many businesses to pay
Patrick;
One feminist critique of human capital theory is that families tend to invest
more capital in sons than daughters. There is some good work about this in
development literature. In the USA, this is signified by the fact that over
90% of male professionals complete their education
A rise in the minimum wage would only be inflationary if the minimum wage was
paying more than marginal product, and there is no reason to assume that
marginal product of labor is covered by minimum wage.
( of course, this is all if you accept that inflation is cause by increased
wages and not
This news article provides some proof for the argument that welfare is a
motor force in driving the domestic economy while foreign wages paid to armed
forces personnell is not. Does anyone have any ideas how one could determine
the multiplier effect on this???
maggie coleman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I would like to thank everyone who sent me responses to my queries for
progressive lists. In fact, I've been flooded with information. I am going
to do a little investigations on my own, and then will get back to everyone
with a compiled list.
maggie coleman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Are there any lists or web sites out there relating to:
Post Keynesianism
Issues of ethnicity
Also, does anyone have email addresses for the following two lists:
femjur
marxism
Finally, to repeat an earlier request -- can people please send me the email
addresses of any list they consider
Just one more note on music. In my original post I mentioned Joe Hill --
labor organizer and singer. His medium was what I think of as 'snide,
sarcastic folk'. Now, it is true that folk music has been co-opted by alot
of upper class types, but, Joe Hill was put to death on a frame up because
Paul, Hey, that's not fair :), you can NOT tell us you've been
ex-communicated by pope tony without telling us the whys and wherefores!
maggie coleman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Oh shit, I better turn in my union card, I listen to classical music
(rgh)
maggie coleman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Dear femeconers and pen-lers;
Would people please reply to me off list with addresses of 'progressive'
lists and web sites? I am making a non-objective, non-scientific survey.
maggie coleman
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Bill Cat == thanks == maggie
I know how to use ceteris paribus, but can anyone give me a translation?
maggie coleman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Steve;
Congrats! I just graduate in May so I know how hard you worked!!!
maggie coleman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
p.s. I taught two classes today for the first time. Did I ever feel like an
old bat in front of all those college freshkids!
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I know I said something like this a month or two or three ago, but I'll take
another stab. I think the debate here is missing the main point -- that most
sex abuse, whether it be child abuse, or rape, or whatever, takes place in
the home between persons who are at least acquainted with each
Dale Tussig is absolutely right -- I confused SSI with Social Security, and
my remarks were meant to discuss social sec. Thanks for clearing that up and
thanks for the info on ssi.
maggie coleman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
One thing which seems to be missing from the SSI discussions is the history
that SSI was originally part of larger programs which were supposed to take
care of dependent persons in general. Even before the programs passed
Congress in the 1930s, welfare was separated off from SSI and made subject
LOOK FOR THE UNION LABEL, A History of the International Ladies' Garment
Workers' Union, Gus Tyler, m.e. sharpe, 1995
FEMINISM IN THE LABOR MOVEMENT, Women and the United Auto Workers, 1935-1975,
Nancy F. Gabin, Cornell University Press, 1990
AMERICA'S WORKING WOMEN, A Documentary History, 1600
Please, all these tid bits of info -- what IS the story??? maggie
I thought some pen-lers might be interested in this. maggie
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HOT OFF THE PRESSES!! The summer 1996 issue of Feminist Studies (Volume
Joliet city gov't should require an investigation by an outside accounting
firm. Also, fiscal information is produced yearly for stock holders -- these
must be publically filed with the Securities Exchange Commission. Read them
and see what the company is telling its stockholders -- I doubt if
So, it is white women who are having more and more babies out of wedlock. No
wonder the religious right is in such a fury. These brazen hussies are
making them look bad. (heh, heh, heh).
Ok, cheap shots aside, I still wonder if the rise in out-of-wedlock babies
for caucasian women is REALLY
Awarded to Doug:
ONE GOLD STAR.
maggie coleman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
The following was returned because I addressed it incorrectly -- so, read
past all the dull headers. maggie
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no comment. maggie
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[fwd of post to ECOFEM on State of Women in India - PNWNOW-GEN ADMIN]
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It is my understanding that unwed motherhood is only increasing next to the
extremely high marriage rate of the 1950s. Apparently Americans married at a
higher rate during the 50s/early 60s than they have at any other time in the
history of this country. For example, 13% of girls born in
I still think that a significant portion of the rise in 'illegitimate' child
birth is a fact of more accurate reporting. (leaving aside the idiocy of
calling any child birth illegitimate. after all, does this mean the child
was not born?)
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I thought people might be interested in this. maggie
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I thought that femecon subscribers should be aware that Lexis is
Dear Femeconers and pen-lers;
As suggested by an earlier post, I called Lexis at 1-800-543-6862. Indeed, I
gave the young woman who picked me up my ss# and she read me back my name,
phone number, current address, previous address, and birthdate. My 'previous
address' was one I doubt even
Max, if I get a mill, let's do lunch. maggie
Dear Anders;
Thank you for the appologies -- very, very well put. And again, I do think
that the solutions you proposed ( such as criminalizing discrimination) are
very good. Discussion affirmative action from solely a race or gender
perspective is frequently necessary and valid, (I tend to
While I concur with the spirit of some of the suggestions put forth in this
article -- I strongly OBJECT to the SEXIST nature of the writing.
White women with a bachelor's degree make, on average, less than an African
American man with a high school diploma. This is not to say that African
I haven't been receiving any mail, so I am just testing my system. maggie
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How can this woman sleep at night? Read on at your own peril, and not on a
full stumach. 'sister rat' maggie coleman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Call or email our government, please. maggie coleman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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ACTION ALERT:
Max is right, nuck fewt is preferable to newter newt. the problem is,
finding someone willing to nuck fewt at any price. maggie coleman
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Call the economics department, 212-229-5717 and speak to the secretary. I am
sure she would send you a reading list.
maggie coleman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Well, I could certainly write extensively on each point. However, I must
say, that I strongly identify, on a personal level, with the point that
middle aged women tend to be fussy and mean tempered. This is for several
reasons:
1. Most foremen are much dumber than the middle aged women they
Well, there was a political economist named Nathaniel Ware actively writing
during the first half of the nineteenth century. He suggested that those
receiving charity be put to death.
maggie coleman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I just want to note that about a year or a little more ago I was flamed for
coining the phrase: "Newter Newt." On my way back from the iaffe conference
this summer, two of us stopped in Blatimore to pig out on crabs. We wandered
into a tourist shop, and there, bigger than life, for everyone
I think pen-lers would find this interesting. maggie
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List,
This is a
o.k., i'll bite, what is airaanz? maggie coleman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I missed Shawgi Tell's initial message, however, given the theme of some of
the responses, I would like to note that here in the big apple, gangs are
almost always ethnic:
-- Asian, Irish, Italian, Hispanic (i.e., Dominican, Columbian, Puerto
Rican), African American . The exception is girl
I would like to thank Shaheen Fatemi for providing us with a humanizing
insight to Guitty Nashaat (Mrs. Becker). Having only been provided work by
Gary Becker to read in graduate school, I had absolutely no idea that his
wife was an economist. If you have time, Shaheen Fatemi, perhaps you would
After re-reading Patrick's lengthy (and very interesting) post, I only have
two, er, three comments:
1. I mis-read the original post, and do agree that left ECONOMISTS are not
bringing their share of theoretical analysis to the inter-disciplinary table.
And yes, feminists have been using both
I agree with Blair, since it is impossible not to teach nc economics, then it
should be taught critically. Just a word on his germ theory -- I too learned
nc theory sort of after the fact. I read capital first.
viritically yours,
maggie coleman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I must respectfully disagree with Patrick Mason as to the benefits which can
be derived from Beckers work. This is not meant as a point for point
dispute, so I have not reproduced Patrick's original message.
1. Becker has not produced any more statistical proof that his theories work
than any
I hate to display my extreme ignorance in this matter, but, what IS
Libertarianism? (this is not a trick question, I really don't know) Is there
a volume or volumes I could read to get an idea of Libertarian positions?
maggie coleman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Blair, we disagree on this one. A similar argument could be made for
chernoble which is STILL hot, and may destroy much more than it already has.
While it is true that three mi is did raise consciousness about the danger
of 'benign' nuclear energy -- it still has not stopped the production of
If diversity of ethnicity causes riots and poverty does not, then is this
article saying that we should all live in same race communities? Hmmm, could
one take this a step further and say that there would be even less rioting if
we all lived in same gender communities and practiced same gender
Michael Etchison (of PUCT) seems to feel that the posts about Gary Becker
have been uncivil. Well, like efficiency, that's a matter of opinion.
Personally, I think they have been mightily restrained, especially
considering the fact that a number of feminists I know monitor pen-l and I
KNOW what
Barkley Rosser notes, correctly, that there is no way to measure efficiency
outside the nc framework. I would take this a couple of steps further:
1. The nc frame work does not measure efficiency. It measures a trade off
between a couple of points which may or may not lead to an efficient
Tavis asks; "Written by runaway computers or space aliens?"
I vote for the aliens. maggie
Jim; Thanks for the info. However, the wife that got dibs on the nobel
prize (two weeks before the clause expired) was last year's nobel prize
winner, not becker. I forget the name of last year's winner -- it doesn't
really matter, he was a HE and from the Chicago school, just like all the
While it was true that there was one utility function, daddy's, there was one
utility function because daddy was the altruist and it was in everyone's
interest to maximize daddy's utility. So, while the 'rotten wife' and
'rotten kids' might want to maximize their own utility to the detriment of
Jerry, Certainly, Bill Clinton might think/say the message. Dole and Newt
were chosen as representatives of the ruling classes, one might fill in any
name(s) they thought were appropriate. maggie
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Jim mentions that Gary Becker's wife committed suicide. I have been told
this before. Did she commit suicide before or after he won the nobel prize?
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Yes, ellen! maggie
For all those digit heads out there. fondly (heh, heh, heh) maggie coleman
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To Myra and anyone else interested in this
Blair raises an interesting point. I can't remember constant returns to
income, what I remember from NC theory is that people in different incomes
spent money differently. Hence, the poor spent proportionally more money on
food than the rich, while the rich invested more than the poor (ye gods,
This announcement ran in the 1996 3rd issue of New York STREET NEWS:
"Paris in December" "What the mainstream media did not tell you about the
French Strikes on December 95. What has happened in France is directly
related to what has been happening right here to the U. S. worker. This show
I'm not sure why President McMuff's position on welfare should be a surprise.
PRIOR to the much touted contract on america, McMuff had already proposed
MOST of the points in contract to change the welfare system.
maggie coleman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Blair says something like "I'd like god to enter the debate and clear up
these misunderstandings (Logan's run and samuelson)"
Dear Blair;
God's on busy, she's sitting in on the Kevorkian trials and trying to
influence the Nobel prize economics committee away from appointing another
chicago
One my good days I am magnanimous and think that both men and women gossip
about the same, but about different things. On my bad days, I think men
gossip more.
Do I have any proof? Almost 18 years working in a primarily male work
environment has taught me that men gossip just as much as women.
Jim raises some good points. I did not mean to imply that economics are
solely responsible for male backlash. However, the far right uses women in
the market place as one of their catch-all repositories for supposed social
evils, in the same way that the Nazis blamed social and economic evils
Yes, let's kill off the old people then we won't have rising medical costs.
Wasn't there a movie with Michael York about a time when everyone over a
certain age was eliminated?
maggie coleman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Come ON guys, you don't expect someone in Samuelson's position to deal with
REALITY do you? maggie coleman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sid's forwarded message about the HMO is heart breaking, but, not unusual.
In fact, even insurance carriers not connected with hmos are stepping in and
over riding doctors orders -- as one can see by laws passed in Connecticut
and New Jersey requiring insurance to pay for a second night for
Doug mentions an article (would you mind sending the reference
again? I deleted your earlier message to which I am now responding) where the
gini coefficients show that women are increasingly occupying the middle
ground of income distribution. I think this was a response to my not
Jerry asks "what was the response on femecon?" to the very sexist message, 'a
sleeping giant'. Well, so far almost none. At first, I thought maybe it was
a joke and there would be some sort of punchline at the end. Then, not
knowing what to do besides hit the delete key, I forwarded it. Now,
In response to Blair's comment and question:
1. While sitting and reading Faludi's book from end to end would drive even
a rabid feminist (such as myself) nuts, it's a great resource for quotes. I
keep it on the shelf with other quotables and resource books -- like
Webster's Dictionary.
2. I
In their own voices, slaves invariably present a different view of
how well they were treated in the south. One place to read of their
treatment is in a book edited by Dorothy Sterling titled "We are Your
Sisters, Black Women in the Nineteenth Century." The book contains reprints
of
First, a disclaimer, I do not think unions should be in the credit card
business.
HOWEVER, The afl/cio is way behind the times, the CWA has a couple of
agreements with different credit card companies. Like others, they offer a
lead in rate much lower than other cards, then up it after a year or
pen-l
Dear Femeconners and Pen-lers;
A woman I work with is doing a school project on the Beijing meetings. For
background, she is looking for information from the 1985 women's meetings in
Nairobi. Specifically, she would like the text of the "Nairobi Forward
looking strategy for the
Happy May Day everyone. maggie coleman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Jim Devine touches upon one of the problems I see as primary with all macro
indicators when he points out that even if the real wage is rising, the gap
between high and low income is widening.
The CPI and all the other macro indicators hide the differential
ability of different segments
When looking at the moves of the 'baby' bells to link up, a little history is
probably appropriate at this moment. In 1952 (I think it was 52, it might
have been 56) WECO owned the bell system as a whole and A.T.T. Long Lines was
a (relatively small) department within the holding corporation.
Here is the big apple (I am -- for myself -- vehemently opposed to living
anywhere where I have to drive for everything), one of the best known
subsidizations of the burbs is public transportation. Now, I forget the
exact figures, but anyone can certainly get them from either the Urban League
or
Can we vote? If we can vote, I want Jim Devine's solution-- one year, free
party, no debt. I also want to collect my weekly wage in full for the entire
year.
maggie
Oh my, I wasnt' going to jump in on this but
1. Att is the ONLY unionized long distance carrier in the USA. WALD is not
unionized. Those who don't think this matters should try working for both --
there is a difference.
2. A friend of mine invested her small nest egg in Working
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