lots to read and do.
everyone please have a Happy and a Merry!
moderator: what are the magic words to unsub?
norm
still getting PEN-L posts.
moderator or poster: please tell me how to unsub. also, how to sub again
next year.
have a nice holiday season.
thx, norm
Monday, December 11, 2000 11:31 AM
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On Mon, Dec 11, 2000 at 07:28:31AM -0500, Mikalac Norman S NSSC wrote:
lots to read
i'll be back armed with the collective wisdom of Friedman and LaRouche to
roll back the Red Tide at PEN-L.
norm
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thank you for your interesting comments, david.
i hope you will keep tuned to these edifying discussions at PEN-L and please
comment on my amateur questions and statements because i like to check them
out with the Left, Center and Right perspectives. part of the learning
process, as they say.
whoa, austin just one minute please!
i read your drift that you don't agree with my expert opinions.
first, who is "we", like in "We know it is."? the entire world except me?
if so, then i vociferously object!!!
i say that humans, like ALL animals, have a genetic endowment that
yoshie, you touched a nerve here because i follow U.S. secondary
math-science performances and am aware that the U.S. scored in the lowest
1/3 on the FIMSS, SIMSS, TIMSS (first, second and third international math
and science surveys).
it's a good example of a highly decentralized U.S.
see responses below.
norm
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Hey Norm
Some of your commentary touched a nerve with me. I don't know the
The point of all this, is to argue that the co-op/CU movement is, in
Polanyi's terms, economy embedded in society rather than
economy dictating to society. That is its raison d'ete, the reason
for its persistance and its (limited) success in competition with the
aggressive forces of
although money isn't everything and the only thing, it gets respect. i say,
it's a good place to start for respectability.
last year when i checked the stats, according to BLS (going from memory), on
the average across the country, HS teachers were at $22, JH around $19/hr,
grammar school
jim said:
BTW, I detect a counter-tendency that's also destructive. Many 8, 9, and 10
year-olds are being assigned much more homework than they should (and
definitely much more than I got when that age). This comes from parents,
especially (it seems) of the yuppie variety, who are obsessing
ave no wings)? Since the
discussion appears to presuppose social behavioral genes, the argument
strikes me as absurd.
Andrew Austin
Green Bay, WI
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From: Mikalac Norman S NSSC [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, December 08, 2000 7:48 AM
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Subject: RE
norm said:
co-ops may be limited by people's limited motivation for cooperation with
each other. e.g, if we are 25% genetically programmed to cooperate with
people (for survival purposes) and 75%% genetically programmed to compete
with people (again, for survival purposes), then cooperative
my reason for breaking up MS and other behemoths has nothing to do with
current legal issues. i want to break up ALL organizations that become very
large with large pockets that give them political leverage out of proportion
to the number of people they represent. in that way, a people's
It fascinates me that contingency leaves both you Charles, Lou
Ricardo, etc., unhappy unsatisfied, for all the differences in
opinions on many other subjects.
Yoshie
--
maybe not so surprising because if history follows a random path
(contingency), then
right on, louis. i prefer gradualism where possible, but in societies where
that is not possible, then the suffering masses have no alternative but to
revolt.
norm
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Left
Revolutionary Peoria, but it's my preferred denouement.
norm
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From: Mikalac Norman S NSSC [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2000 7:35 AM
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Subject: co-ops + human behavior
norm said:
co-ops may be limited by peopl
hey, what's wrong with Marilyn Manson? or 'N Sync? or Pauly Shore? Do you
want to step _outside_ and say that?
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so that the youngsters in this forum don't consider me insufferably uncool,
i have plenty of "classic rock" in my CD collection. don't
thanks for the reference. i'll put the Encyclopedia of PE on my list that
seems to grow faster than my purchases. no wonder my psychiatrist daughter
calls me a "bookaholic". (so how can i refute a Board-certified shrink?)
interesting you mention the Mondragon market because Chomsky is always
yeah, like i asked before, "who says lefties don't have a sense of humor?"
norm
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Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2000 8:43 AM
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Meanwhile
notice, david shemano (the conservative who was brave enough to comment in
this nest of thieves) that the leftie cut you down quickly by not even
deigning to remember your name. that's par social etiquette for lefties,
but please don't be piqued by their insolence. just remember that they've
hey, if vacuum tube radios, washboards, Stanley-steamers and LPs turn you
on, then go for them! "it's a democracy", the conservatives say, so no way
can the technocrats spoil luddite fun except to make it expensive to buy old
fashions!
cutting-edge progressive technologist
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i don't get it: why is this a constitutional crisis?
norm
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thank you for your valuable addition to the co-op discussion. all kinds of
cooperatives are welcome, including industrials.
seems to me that co-ops are an ideal way for the socialists and their
suffering proletariat to conquer the world.
assumption: no legal impediments for co-ops of any
don't understand why this is a Constitutional crisis worthy of the High-9.
something in the Constitution that prevents co-ops?
maybe i need a legal lesson in "legal forms of business enterprise".
norm
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justin: Indeed, if the usual studies are correct, co-ops are as efficient or
more so than capitalist enterprise, and no less productive or profitable. So
if lenders make decisions solely on those basis, they should not
discriminate
against co-ops. That does not mean they do make such decisions.
but these minor character defects pale in a man so brilliant that he could
envision a flawless engineering meritocracy ruling the world in the public
interest. of course in his farsightedness he would not have missed
ensconsing rocket engineers as the elite among the elite!
norm
KH: it was not long ago that co-operative housing was funded by both
provincial and federal government. While there were some ridiculous
restrictions a group of which I was president were able to get financing at
below market rates. In exchange we made some of our units available to the
local
a few years ago, i came across Grappelli and Reinhardt indirectly since
group instrumentals are not my cup of tea. rather, my large CD collection
is voice-oriented - everything from ethnic and hillbilly to pop, big band
and opera.
i bought a Smithsonian collection called "We'll Meet Again" -
thx, charles, for the lenin comments on Marx.
i've printed and collected a bunch of poster comments like yours, printed a
bunch of essays from louis's marxmail last night and ordered about 20 books
on the subject via the internet. also, i started to read about marxism in
some philosophy books
it would be instructive to know more about the eventual fate of the
successful co-op cited below.
norm
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From: Michael Perelman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Saturday, December 02, 2000 10:49 PM
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When I
CB: Nice going , Norm. Did anyone mention _Value, Price and Profit_ yet ? It
was explicitly a popular lecture by Karl Marx on the fundamental's of his
approach to political economy.
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i pulled that essay off louis's list along with a bunch of others,
l Perelman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, December 04, 2000 12:29 PM
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It still flourishes.
Mikalac Norman S NSSC wrote:
it would be instructive to know more about the eventual fate of the
successful co-op cited bel
JL: I don't have good enough ears to agree with Eric
Clapton that CDs are anathema (since they don't sound good)
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please ignore what Eric and other luddites tell you about CD sound quality
because it is far better than that of tapes and LPs.
to CB: can you make a substantiated case for capitalists putting co-ops out
of business? of course one would be for banks to lend at higher interest
rates as JD says. what other destructive mechanisms do they have?
to JD: can you corroborate banks lending at higher rates? that is
jim: I don't know what a "socialist entrepreneur" is.
norm:
capitalist-entrepreneur: T.A. Edion funded by J.P.Morgan
socialist-entrepreneur: T.A. Edison funded by U.S. Dept. of Commerce.
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michael:
"Top 40 Economists on the Net" (
my focus right now is to answer these 4 (into 2) questions:
What are the republican-marxian/socialist descriptions of and prescription
for current political-economic relationships?
What are the republican-capitalist descriptions of and prescriptions for
current political-economic relationships?
i'll be using philosophical tools in that i'll be subjecting the authors
(and myself) to the axiomatic method of evaluating arguments (the "rules of
reason"):
1. state all overt and divulge all covert ethical (prescriptive) axioms;
2. state all overt and divulge all covert knowledge
too abstract for me to understand and, at present, i don't believe in
historical "laws" that resemble physical laws, i.e., where a specific cause
A "always" or "probably" produces a specific effect B.
norm
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ok, thx. your suggestions look like a good place to start and save.
and who said that lefties don't have a sense of humor?
norm
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yes, you are correct, i meant appeals to authority, not argumenta ad
hominem, which are arguments that attack the arguer rather than the
argument. thanks for the correction.
the appeals to authority can be reasonable evidence under certain
circumstances. after all, courts use them as "expert
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 12/01/00 11:41AM
too abstract for me to understand and, at present, i don't believe in
historical "laws" that resemble physical laws, i.e., where a specific cause
A "always" or "probably" produces a specific effect B.
norm
CB: Do you mean you don't think any
valid historical evidence is based on documentation - not hearsay. whether
Marx's evidence is sufficient to predict the future of a group of humans
called "capitalists" is a matter of controversy. i'll give my opinion afte
joining the ranks of "experts".
in the classroom, because of time
apparently, many posters don't care much for my use of the word
"entrepreneur". too much association with evil, i guess. please try these
definitions instead as a working compromise:
capitalist-entrepreneur: T.A. Edison funded by J.P. Morgan where both share
the surplus/deficit value from the
and consistent with the U.N. "development" indices where per capita GDP is
only ONE measure of "happiness".
norm
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ok, carrol, then please do me the special favor of posting your favorite
books to my wish list that interpret the Marx the way you prefer. further,
if you like, please comment on those books presently on the list that
grossly misinterpret what Marx said or wanted to say.
as i said, i'd like
and remember, under socialism, an innovator, inventor or entrepreneur
doesn't have to spend his/her time on commodity fetishes. he/she can work
on better medicines, cleaner environments, etc.
this brings me to a question i asked long ago that no one cared to answer:
under a
geez, can't believe that this late on Friday when all the other bureaucrats
have hightailed it, i'm still here reading and answering radical comments
from a bunch of pinkos and commies!
have a nice weekend everyone!
norm
ok, i'll give google a try.
norm
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Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2000 4:01 PM
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(please check the list)
Don't buy Amazon.
thanks, justin, for culling the junk out of this list.
norm
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(plea se check the
ok, ths, louis. Novack goes back onto the list.
norm
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Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2000 4:23 PM
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Subject: [PEN-L:5123] Re: Re: RE: thanks for the zillion references to
Marx? (plea se check the list)
on the 'ol cash register,
Ian
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looks like lots of meat here . kuhching, kuhching!
yes, Wood and Cabral are often discussed on this list, so they must be
saying something important.
norm
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yeah, you're right, i need more focus. trying to figure that out right now.
thanks for another great book!
norm
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Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2000 4:26 AM
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Subject: [PEN-L:5147] Farming manual far too practical for Chinese
authorities (fwd)
The Age (AU)
Farming manual far too practical for Chinese
sorry if i sent a blank msg.
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"Needless to say, local officials were none too pleased. Within days of its
publication in late July, members of the Public Security Bureau were sent
out into the countryside to retrieve as many copies of the publication as
i'm still pawing through all of your references for explaining Marx. also
studying the Ohmans' essay cited by Rob. also, reading louis' Morris essay
and more of it at his site.
Nobody is citing Perelman's prolific Left scholarship (12 at Amazon). Not
worth much? (heh! heh!)
soon as i can
From: Louis Proyect
"Japan's economic stagnation has long perplexed analysts: despite successive
years of negative or flat economic performance and historic high
unemployment, there are few obvious signs of the social stress analysts
expect. Two glaring exceptions to that are suicides, which
Economic Calculation in the Socalist Comonwealth - von Mises
From Capitalism to Equality: Laws of Econ. Change - C. Andrews
Socialism: An Economic and Sociological Analysis - von Mises
norm
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Sent: Wednesday
can someone out there explain meaning of: M-C-M' ?
thx, norm
can someone out there explain meaning of: M-C-M' ?
thanks for your responses.
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jim: It refers to the capitalist process of exploitation. The representative
capitalist lays out money (M) in order to get more money (M' M). The
difference between the two is what Marx
i don't see why the "value scale" conclusions envisioned below need occur
under a particular socialist economy if you allow my old schoolboy
definition of socialism: a pure socialist economy is one where the producer
goods and services are publicly owned and where the consumer goods and
services
in any group (class, faction, forum, department, club, etc.), the members
are bound together by a common set of values. a dissident member who
deviates too far and too often from those values can expect to be punished
by the conforming members.
a dissenting member who expresses non-group values
doug: that's exactly the point of my last post about socialist "value
scales".
norm
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From: Doug Henwood [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2000 1:30 PM
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i agree. if Ralph sticks to his message, disseminates it via the internet
to the young people, then the Greens have a chance to grow with the newer
generations. however, as yoshie pointed out, the Greens have to have to
stay away from Earth Goddess and Flower Children themes for the masses to
thank you for your excellent post, yoshie. your essay and the web site
references are highly educational for me.
since the Cuban experiment is so important to PEN subscribers, i plan to
study its economy and government more closely to become "dans la vente".
your post gives me a good start.
IMO, total er faulty facts and reasoning.
i don't see how the Simon and Kahn future scenarios logically follow from
the (real) facts any more than i see how the Mark Jones future scenarios
logically follow from the (real) facts.
more on that after after i check out my PEN L email.
First, it is a sick calumny against Rev. Jackson to compare his use of
popular street pressure to lynchings. Second, until well into the
Nineteenth Century street pressure from "mobs" (always a term used by the
elite to describe the common people) was considered normal and even
traditional.
yeah, Caesar was for me the best of the comics who "made me think".
i'm looking for an exceptional solo skit of his that i saw only partially on
TV where Sid is outside a wooden fence looking sadly at happy people inside
a cheery, wealthy house with Xmas festivities.
it's a thought monologue, i
the drift of the article is consistent with one in the National Geographic
magazine a while back, so i think it is basically correct.
norm
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Subject:
" ... I've disagreed with Mark Jones on his prophesy of capitalism dooming
itself due to its fundamental dependence upon oil in the near future ..."
Yoshie
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i must have missed mark's post.
i'm curious how mark arrives at this conclusion. capitalism
IMO, total nonsense.
norm
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From: Louis Proyect [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
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i must have missed mark's post.
i'm curious how mark
fascinating site, louis; just what i was looking for. thanks for posting
it.
for 1998, HDI (a composite index of life expectancy, education, GDP):
globally (table 1):
Canada is 1st at .935; US is 3rd at .929; Cuba is 56th at .783; Sierra Leone
is 174th (last) at .252. Australia seems to be
your stats are consistent withe the UN ones i just posted.
right, maybe the rest of the world, including the US, can learn about better
health care from the Cubans!
i think that the US Congress just passed a law easing the Cuban embargo.
did the Prez sign it too? if so, that should help Cuban
From: Louis Proyect:
Since most Americans define political participation on the basis of going
into an election booth every four years and pulling a lever for one or
another candidate of the same party (Democrat-Republican), it takes a mental
adjustment to think in other terms.
agreed, Fidel, a dictator, head of the "dictatorship of the proletariat",
has improved the lot of the masses over their pre-revolutionary conditions.
for years, so did the Bolsheviks and Chinese CP for their masses. from my
ethical viewpoint those changes are commendable: better to have a
to speak more accurately, i should compare per income quintiles btwn Cuba
and US taking acount purchasing power parity. also, unemployment figures
and other social indicators (crime, homeless, housing, etc.).
anyone out there have those data for Cuba? if not, why not? wouldn't Fidel
want to
again, i'd like to see the facts. however, before they arrive, i presume
from newspaper and magazine accounts that US universal health care
availability and affordability for US citizens is behind that of many other
countries, including Cuba. hey, who said the US was first in everything -
not
yes, i know the US has treated Cuba and other S.A. countries shabbily ever
since it became a world power. can't do much about that now, but we can now
leave them alone and let them "do it their way".
if we leave Cuba alone, and if Cuban per capita social indicators increase
faster than other
i would like to remind the posters of the theme of the initial posts (see
below). we seemed to have strayed.
i understand that lefties, like ideologues of other persuasions, like to
extol the virtues of their Weltanschaungen, but when the illusions become
grotesque, then i have to object.
to
From: Michael Perelman:
How could a decent Democratic candidate not win with the economy going
relatively well and no big international problems against such an inept
rival?
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i guess this is a rhetorical question, but i'll bite anyway.
Big Al showed the masses
i can't buy the arguments below.
OK, health care is worse than in W.Europe and some don't have it at all in
the US, but it's far better for most US citizens than just about anywhere
else.
US has no EFFECTIVE change in govt in 41 years, but Cuba has NONE whatsoever
in that time span.
so it's
as an aside to this discussion, while visiting a daughter in Natick, MA last
summer i also visited the Lowell Museum and was treated to a fantastic
voyage into the beginnings of the US industrial revolution; machinery and
all in a reburbished but original operating cotton-cloth factory. Lowell
i watched it too. had to laugh at the sign reading "Noam Chomsky for V.P.".
guess SOME anarchists are voting for Ralph.
norm
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Mikalac Norman S NSSC wrote:
i know that louis is voting for McReynolds
i know that louis is voting for McReynolds, but what about the other
listers: who you gonna vote for on the 7th? or will you stay home and cry
in your beer, hoping that some day the masses will get wise and rise?
i think i'm going for Nader. most here agree that the Dems + Al and the
Pubs +
maoist news from my father in law:
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Dear Norman,
Now the situation of Nepal is little better after using the
This is not what Brenner and Woods were talking about. Capitalism existed
in the English countryside in the 15th century, not some kind of preview of
coming attractions. If you can find anything in Marx that remotely
resembles the analysis in Woods' book, I'll eat a dead dog's *.
geez, 550 msgs awaiting me this morning. maybe i should sleep in the office
on weekends?
assuming the statements below are based on hard facts, how to get ahold of
these historical per capita GDP data in one or two places for as many
countries as possible as far back as possible?
i tried UN,
addendum to my last post on per capita GDP request: how to get inequality
indicators for as many countries as far back as possible? other social
indicators available as well?
thanks,
norm
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From: Louis Proyect [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Saturday, October 07,
will this be a unique showcase of how well a democratic-communistic
government can rule its people?
norm
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From: Ken Hanly [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2000 12:21 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [PEN-L:2669] More MPRP Electoral Victories in
IMO, Gore 9, Bush 1 (sympathy).
Gore in command of the issues and the facts. Bush looked supremely ignorant
and downright dumb. had absolutely no logical or factual rejoiners. used a
few one-liners that fell flat. looked uncomfortable. didn't use any of the
natural charm he has.
i felt
Bush's main ideological point -- that the people can make decisions better
than government bureaucrats -- was never answered by Gore. Gore could have
answered in two ways:
(1) that when Bush talks about "the people", he's talking about the rich,
since these are the folks who would get the
apropos the eurocentrism view of scientific, technological and capitalist
origins, in a muslim forum i asked this question: "What happened to muslim
science?", knowing that it and its accompanying technology were the most
advanced in the world during the middle ages.
i received a number of
yes, but notwithstanding what the author says about western exploitation of
w. asian countries, when one considers the cross-fertilization over 1000
years btwn europe and w. asia, the demise of european colonialisation in the
region, big oil revenues sloshing around many muslim countries over the
thanks much, colin, for your source which i'll check out.
the quote you asked about was from an article cited earlier by louis proyect
stating that, in mexico, wages are lower since the advent of NAFTA. i'll
check out the source of study cited by that article in addition to yours.
since the
"NAFTA accelerated a trend that started in 1982, when a financial crisis
forced Mexico to open up its economy to domination by U.S. finance and
industry.
Since then, living standards have fallen as the country has shifted from
protecting independent industry to become an adjunct of the U.S.
on the subject of economic indicators, can someone cite sources for their
theoretical justification? my old stat books give theory for justifying
interpolating data via correlations, but not extrapolating data via
correlations, i.e., forecasting.
thanks for your help.
norm
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engineer would like some clarifications:
what is "NC economics"?
how do economists define "efficiency"? in engineering, efficiency is
defined as (desirable) outputs/inputs and is always less than 1. 1 -
efficiency = inefficiency, i.e., undesirable outputs/inputs, due to
friction, etc.
thanks
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