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But didn't Waistline tell us the "workers" will be robots? Gene Coyle Michael Hoover wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 11/15/02 03:58PM >>> Basically it is about whether you believe the economic system is essentially a social system, although privately owned, and whether you believe in the cooperati

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>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 11/15/02 03:58PM >>> Basically it is about whether you believe the economic system is essentially a social system, although privately owned, and whether you believe in the cooperative powers of human beings eventually to get on top of it, even though there may be no one par

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Charles Jannuzi wrote: Then tell Henwood to stop making inane responses just to bait people, or unsubscribe me. Like I really care at this point. You deserve discussions with Henwood. In other words, you deserve inanity. If anyone cares what I think about Empire, my review is at

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Then tell Henwood to stop making inane responses just to bait people, or unsubscribe me. Like I really care at this point. You deserve discussions with Henwood. In other words, you deserve inanity. CJ __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - Let the ex

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Charles, if you don't stop your fight with Doug immediately -- I mean it -- I will have to unsub you. I don't want to do it. On Sat, Nov 16, 2002 at 08:08:02PM -0800, Charles Jannuzi wrote: > > --- Michael Perelman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > Please calm down. Again. This has no place > >

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--- Michael Perelman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Please calm down. Again. This has no place > here. Calm is having a substantive discussion about Negri practically by oneself. Dumb is responding to Henwood's tripe, some call it his forte'. I apologize. I should have ignored him. C. Jannuzi _

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Please calm down. Again. This has no place here. On Sat, Nov 16, 2002 at 07:34:44PM -0800, Charles Jannuzi wrote: > Then send Dougiepoo a post in private. > > CJ > > __ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your site > http

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Then send Dougiepoo a post in private. CJ __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your site http://webhosting.yahoo.com

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Please, we don't need antagonism here. On Sat, Nov 16, 2002 at 07:21:30PM -0800, Charles Jannuzi wrote: > > > > Doug > > Since he won't come on the list, how the f- > should I know? My guess is that neither the > workers nor the state have any room for > ill-informed, obscurantist hack autonomis

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--- Doug Henwood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Charles Jannuzi wrote: > > >But if all this is unfair, let > >him come on this list and defend himself like > >normal human beings have to do. > > I wonder if the conditions of his work-release > from prison would > allow him to do so. Why is it tha

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Charles Jannuzi wrote: But if all this is unfair, let him come on this list and defend himself like normal human beings have to do. I wonder if the conditions of his work-release from prison would allow him to do so. Why is it that the Italian state is so down on this ill-informed obscurantis

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The point was Negri needs no defenders, he can defend himself--if he even asserted anything worth defending (I have my doubts). Next time I'll try to be more direct. CJ __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your site http://webh

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The function of the list is to inform each other and to enjoy each other's virtual company. Of course, the list is a complete failure in the latter respect -- since some of us don't like others. Hari is absolutely correct that nobody needs to defend themselves or to answer charges that are levell

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Charles: Comment: Charles, please do not take this amiss, but why the hell would he? I mean while we gathered here -  might get something out of this lark on PEN - what meaning does it have? This actually comes back to the matter of What is the real function of PEN?  No scratch that!  Commander

Re: Negri explains the "multitude"

For me, it isn't that Negri's post-modern philosophy is not very interesting. I was forced to read far worse at grad school. It isn't that he wrote so much very badly on Spinoza. It's that he knows crap all about the US, like so many European 'intellectuals'. I will concede that the Empire book is

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The charge sheet against the self-proclaimed “criminal” and “deviant” Toni Negri in terms of personal involvement in criminal activity, as opposed to mere rhetorical glorification of violence, is not totally dependent on Fioroni’s testimony in the Saronio murder case. A key witness is Giorgio B

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- Original Message - From: "Chris Burford" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > theorizing configurations of global and local requires new > >multidimensional strategies ranging from macro to micro in order to > >intervene in wide range of contemporary and future struggles, max weber meet > >thomas

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At 15/11/02 11:55 -0800, you wrote: > but this is a maillist, not the political bureau of a > mass revolutionary party, or even the steering committee of a mass reform party. > Carrol > <<<>>> > > theorizing configurations of global and local requires new multidimensional strategies ranging from

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- Original Message - From: "Michael Hoover" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, November 15, 2002 11:26 AM Subject: [PEN-L:32263] Re: Negri explains the "multitude" > >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 11/13/02 02:59PM >>> &

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>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 11/13/02 02:59PM >>> Doug Henwood wrote: The U.S. is under the control of a frightening gang of lunatics hellbent on war with a good bit of the world. Why are Toni Negri and The Nation magazine such urgent enemies? They aren't -- but this is a maillist, not the political bu

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Doug Henwood wrote: > > Chris Burford wrote: > > >At 13/11/02 14:34 -0500, you wrote: > >[clip] Why are Toni Negri > >>and The Nation magazine such urgent enemies? > >> > >>Doug > > > >Because sectarian traditions of marxism cannot engage with the real > >world, and perhaps prefer not to. > > By

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Chris Burford wrote: At 13/11/02 14:34 -0500, you wrote: The U.S. is under the control of a frightening gang of lunatics hellbent on war with a good bit of the world. Why are Toni Negri and The Nation magazine such urgent enemies? Doug Because sectarian traditions of marxism cannot engage wi

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>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 11/13/02 02:17PM >>> I am quite sure that Toni Negri's terminology stands a very good chance of becoming part of everyday academic discourse down the road. Louis Proyect, Marxism mailing list: http://www.marxmail.org probably not, but how can one not like a guy who writes t

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At 02:34 PM 11/13/2002 -0500, you wrote: The U.S. is under the control of a frightening gang of lunatics hellbent on war with a good bit of the world. Why are Toni Negri and The Nation magazine such urgent enemies? Doug Who says they're enemies? I think Carrol and I are saying, in different

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This reminds of a surrealist joke: what do you get if you mix a poor lgician to a literary critic: answer see below. it is indeed a sad day for social science  Louis Proyect <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: For those who have been somewhat mystified by this term, relief is finally here. Toni Negri lays t

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--- Doug Henwood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Charles Jannuzi wrote: > > >These are interesting philosophical questions > but > >none of this is a remarkable addition. One > could > >probably turn it in as a written assignment > for a > >Philosophy 201 class and get a B+. > > This is one of the

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- Original Message - From: "Doug Henwood" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Charles Jannuzi wrote: > > >These are interesting philosophical questions but > >none of this is a remarkable addition. One could > >probably turn it in as a written assignment for a > >Philosophy 201 class and get a B+.

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Charles Jannuzi wrote: These are interesting philosophical questions but none of this is a remarkable addition. One could probably turn it in as a written assignment for a Philosophy 201 class and get a B+. This is one of the things I love about PEN-L. Everyone's so smart! Doug

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I wrote, >>...shit happens, Doug. And time marches on. Doug Henwood replied, >Oh, of course. Why didn't I think of that? Presumably because you have other fish to fry and a hard row to hoe. Tom Walker 604 255 4812

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> Here is a brief excerpt that should lift the > scales from your eyes: Coffee or tea work far better. > > What interests us at this point is to underline > the global power of this > process: in fact, it lays between globality and > singularity according to a > first rhythm (synchronic) of m

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--- Doug Henwood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The U.S. is under the control of a frightening > gang of lunatics > hellbent on war with a good bit of the world. > Why are Toni Negri and > The Nation magazine such urgent enemies? > > Doug > They are not my enemy, but Negri just isn't very origi

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Because sectarian traditions of marxism cannot engage with the real world, and perhaps prefer not to. Chris Burford Then I am opposed to engaging with the real world, if this means taking the side of NATO against Yugoslavia. Louis Proyect, Marxism mailing list: http://www.marxmail.org

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At 13/11/02 14:34 -0500, you wrote: The U.S. is under the control of a frightening gang of lunatics hellbent on war with a good bit of the world. Why are Toni Negri and The Nation magazine such urgent enemies? Doug Because sectarian traditions of marxism cannot engage with the real world, and

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I am trying to wade through a load of e-mail today and just came upon this. This is absolutely uncalled far. Please stop immediately. On Wed, Nov 13, 2002 at 02:47:10PM -0500, Louis Proyect wrote: > > > Sorry, Doug, but you will have to get used to me taking potshots at people > you look up

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Jim Devine: It sure seems that we could also spend time on such things as the principles of socialism (i.e., what are we really for, anyway?) but some object to that. I recently received a series of off-list insults from one who didn't want to discuss "socialism from below" (the socialist phil

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I don't think that they are THE ENEMY, but I am disappointed that they have taken the path that they did. Negri's early stuff was very impressive, but Italian friends say that the new book did not represent much of a turn for him. Maybe I just did not understand the earlier work. The Nation too

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Title: RE: [PEN-L:32161] Re: Re: Re: Re: Negri explains the "multitude" > From: Doug Henwood [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > The U.S. is under the control of a frightening gang of lunatics > hellbent on war with a good bit of the world. Why are Toni Negri and > The Natio

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Tom Walker wrote: As for Doug's worrying about wasting time on Negri and the Nation while the "U.S. is under the control of a frightening gang of lunatics hellbent on war with a good bit of the world": shit happens, Doug. And time marches on. Oh, of course. Why didn't I think of that? Doug

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...the multiplicity that refuses to represent itself in the dialectical Aufhebung Surely Negri means "bong"? "Rhyzomatic" is clearly an allusion to Guattari and Deleuze. I would translate the passage as a whole to mean, roughly, "shit happens".Negri has presumably eschewed that more compact formul

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- Original Message - From: "Louis Proyect" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 10:13 AM Subject: [PEN-L:32151] Negri explains the "multitude" > For those who have been somewhat

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The U.S. is under the control of a frightening gang of lunatics hellbent on war with a good bit of the world. Why are Toni Negri and The Nation magazine such urgent enemies? Doug Sorry, Doug, but you will have to get used to me taking potshots at people you look up to, whether it is Toni Neg

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Doug Henwood wrote: > > The U.S. is under the control of a frightening gang of lunatics > hellbent on war with a good bit of the world. Why are Toni Negri and > The Nation magazine such urgent enemies? > They aren't -- but this is a maillist, not the political bureau of a mass revolutionary pa

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The U.S. is under the control of a frightening gang of lunatics hellbent on war with a good bit of the world. Why are Toni Negri and The Nation magazine such urgent enemies? Doug

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- Original Message - From: "Louis Proyect" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > I am quite sure that Toni Negri's terminology stands a very good chance of > becoming part of everyday academic discourse down the road. > = We'll see. What is interesting is the use of metaphors and simil

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At 02:17 PM 11/13/2002 -0500, you wrote: I am quite sure that Toni Negri's terminology stands a very good chance of becoming part of everyday academic discourse down the road. God help us all. On the other hand, it may also be a sign that pomo scholasticism is spinning on the tip of its last pi

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Just goes to show how jargon is a positional good. Creating different idioms and vocabularies to map class struggle in the 21st century is always going to meet resistance. Hell look at the concepts Kant used in the Critique of Pure Reason; a jargonologist's dream, yet so many of the terms are now