RE: RE: Re: RE: RE: EPI Paper on U.S. FDI in China

2000-05-15 Thread Max Sawicky
Have no objection in principle. Things like that are in process in various ways. It's not so hard to imagine a maximum program. The tough thing to settle on is the minimum program -- the one with immediate relevance to what people are talking about, voting on, & legislating. It's easier to writ

RE: Re: RE: RE: EPI Paper on U.S. FDI in China

2000-05-15 Thread Charles Brown
>>> "Max B. Sawicky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 05/13/00 06:58PM >>> Rather than labor's present campaign, MHL proposes that we "focus our attention on US capital and the logic of international capitalism." But that's not politics; it's a seminar. Or a book. Getting up in front of a crowd and saying,

Re: RE: EPI Paper on U.S. FDI in China

2000-05-14 Thread Martin Hart-Landsberg
Nathan said: > > So given that the China deal is coming to a vote, does MHL say that in > protest of the fact that the GOP Congress won't let pro-labor legislation > come to a vote, US labor should abstain from lobbying on the China deal in > order to maintain a balanced ideological profile? >

RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: RE: EPI Paper on U.S. FDI in China

2000-05-14 Thread Max B. Sawicky
MHL: > I guess we have a difference of opinion on what politics is about. The > issue is not short-run "victories" which are really non-victories. Keeping > China out of the WTO will only ensure the status quo. At issue is first > determining what kind of political understanding we want to promo

Re: RE: Re: RE: RE: EPI Paper on U.S. FDI in China

2000-05-13 Thread Martin Hart-Landsberg
Max says: > Capital will go wherever the State permits it to go. > Hence the laws of and among States are the logical > target. Trade agreements & the workings of the WTO > are part and parcel of these laws. Somehow that is translated into a politics that says we need to focus on the actions of

RE: Re: RE: RE: EPI Paper on U.S. FDI in China

2000-05-13 Thread Max B. Sawicky
MHL: > And what political implications should we draw from the fact that US > capital is highly mobile, using China, among other places, as either off > shore production locations or as a threat. Max notes that this mobility > or threat of mobility has real consequences. I agree. So, should ou

Re: Re: EPI Paper on U.S. FDI in China

2000-05-13 Thread Stephen E Philion
I think that what Martin argues below is similar to the arguments that Bill Tabb made a few months ago in MR, right on the money. Steve > > Martin Hart-Landsberg wrote: > > > And what political implications should we draw from the fact that US > > capital is highly mobile, using China, among o

RE: RE: RE: EPI Paper on U.S. FDI in China

2000-05-13 Thread Lisa & Ian Murray
> [mbs] The threat to move a manufacturing plant is central to the ability of Capital to suppress wage demands. That's hardly zilch. When this threat entails moving plants to other countries, it exposes business firms to a combined nationalist/laborist attack. In effect, Capital runs afou

Re: RE: RE: EPI Paper on U.S. FDI in China

2000-05-13 Thread Martin Hart-Landsberg
And what political implications should we draw from the fact that US capital is highly mobile, using China, among other places, as either off shore production locations or as a threat. Max notes that this mobility or threat of mobility has real consequences. I agree. So, should our movement at

RE: RE: EPI Paper on U.S. FDI in China

2000-05-13 Thread Charles Brown
>>> "Max B. Sawicky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 05/12/00 08:51PM >>> . . . > Lets see, US firms make the stuff in China then send it back duty free to > sell to US consumers [or anywhere else]; just what does trade deficit mean > in this circumstance? My guess is zilch. [mbs] The threat to move a man

Re: RE: EPI Paper on U.S. FDI in China

2000-05-13 Thread Dennis R Redmond
On Fri, 12 May 2000, Lisa & Ian Murray wrote: > Lets see, US firms make the stuff in China then send it back duty free to > sell to US consumers [or anywhere else]; just what does trade deficit mean > in this circumstance? My guess is zilch. Well, it does mean something in the comparative sense

RE: RE: EPI Paper on U.S. FDI in China

2000-05-12 Thread Max B. Sawicky
. . . > Lets see, US firms make the stuff in China then send it back duty free to > sell to US consumers [or anywhere else]; just what does trade deficit mean > in this circumstance? My guess is zilch. [mbs] The threat to move a manufacturing plant is central to the ability of Capital to suppres