Re: Re: Re: : liberalism

2002-08-01 Thread Doug Henwood
Michael Perelman wrote: Is this discussion or the elitism thread going anywhere? Not really, but does any thread ever go anywhere? Doug

Re: Re: Re: Re: : liberalism

2002-08-01 Thread Louis Proyect
Michael Perelman wrote: Is this discussion or the elitism thread going anywhere? Not really, but does any thread ever go anywhere? Doug I know this is an onerous burden to place on pen-l'ers, but you should search for ways to impart some kind of concrete information whenever you post. In

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: : liberalism

2002-08-01 Thread Michael Perelman
Lou expressed my thought better than I did. I would only add that in these debates nobody seems to learn anything from anybody else -- at least, you can pretty well predict what the few participants in such debates will write. On Thu, Aug 01, 2002 at 10:25:32AM -0400, Louis Proyect wrote: In

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: : liberalism

2002-08-01 Thread Gil Skillman
Michael writes: I would only add that in these debates nobody seems to learn anything from anybody else -- at least, you can pretty well predict what the few participants in such debates will write. To be sure, most postings in most PEN-L debates appear as predictable rehearsals of existing

RE: Re: Re: Re: : liberalism

2002-08-01 Thread Devine, James
Title: RE: [PEN-L:28995] Re: Re: Re: : liberalism the best any thread on pen-l (and lbo-talk?) seems to be able to do is to clarify differences. Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://bellarmine.lmu.edu/~jdevine -Original Message- From: Doug Henwood [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED

RE: Re: Re: Re: Re: : liberalism

2002-08-01 Thread Devine, James
Title: RE: [PEN-L:28996] Re: Re: Re: Re: : liberalism Louis writes: I know this is an onerous burden to place on pen-l'ers, but you should search for ways to impart some kind of concrete information whenever you post. That's good, but I like a weaker standard, since not all

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: : liberalism

2002-08-01 Thread Carrol Cox
I would disagree. It seems to me that maillists are primarily conversational, and attempts to make them replace printed journals are mostly wishful thinking. I my only rarely either read or write posts much longer than 4 or 5 screens. Moreover, issues that really do depend on large amounts of

RE: Re: Re: liberalism

2002-07-31 Thread Devine, James
Title: RE: [PEN-L:28943] Re: Re: liberalism Justin Schwartz wrote: As I said before, almost everyone here--you too--favors univ. suffrage --- Yes [Carrol's response] extensive civil rights and liberties Yes [ditto] representative govt - NO [ditto] Carrol

RE: Re: Re: liberalism

2002-07-31 Thread Davies, Daniel
As I said, almost everyone. jks Almost everyone is right; as far as I can tell, yer man Posner is not in favour of representative government or of extensive civil rights and liberties in as much as these can't be derived from property rights. What's your argument against his utopia of a small

Re: RE: Re: Re: liberalism

2002-07-31 Thread Justin Schwartz
As I said, almost everyone. jks Almost everyone is right; as far as I can tell, yer man Posner is not in favour of representative government or of extensive civil rights and liberties in as much as these can't be derived from property rights. That's unfair to Posner. His notion of what a

RE: Re: RE: liberalism

2002-07-31 Thread Devine, James
Title: RE: [PEN-L:28970] Re: RE: liberalism I wrote: It's important to remember that the New Deal also had lots of support for businesses, too. Justin: Like I said, it saved c pitalism. there's a difference: individual businesses often care about nothing but their own profit. It's only