>Brad,
>
>
>I also noticed that the bill was concerned about the elimination of
>corruption. What is the record of United States regarding corruption?
>Our political campaigns are nothing more than organized bribery. Is it
>possible for a non-corrupt politicians to get elected to anything higher
Rob Schaap wrote:
>Two men expressing affection in a homophobic world may do so by hugging
>each other, but only if they bring their forearms hard against each others'
>backs, preferably bruising some ribs, and then, for but a moment, making
>sure to hug hard enough to induce pain. This is a ver
G'day Mine,
Two men expressing affection in a homophobic world may do so by hugging
each other, but only if they bring their forearms hard against each others'
backs, preferably bruising some ribs, and then, for but a moment, making
sure to hug hard enough to induce pain. This is a very poignant
what is this "manly cyber-hug"? (smile!)
Mine
>Please find attached one manly cyber-hug, Justin..
Please find attached one manly cyber-hug, Justin! Well-spoken, comrade!
If, as Frost said, 'poetry is what gets left out in translation' (though
I'm convinced Dryden managed to keep plenty of Chaucer in), 'tis even the
translation that's left out in the postie critique, where the heroic
couplet
Michael Perelman wrote:
> Carrol, we have no need to get nasty here.
>
> Carrol Cox wrote:
>
> > Lou, this is either pure academic bullshit or it is the kind of red-baiting I
> > have been fighting against over on lbo.
>
Lou and I always forgive each other.
Carrol
In a message dated 00-05-15 18:09:36 EDT, you write:
<< A friend of mine from grad school, Donna Landry (co-editor of The
Spivak Reader), has been studying peasant and working class women
poets of the 17th & 18th centuries. I asked her if she likes reading
the stuff, which from what I've se
Carrol, we have no need to get nasty here.
Carrol Cox wrote:
> Lou, this is either pure academic bullshit or it is the kind of red-baiting I
> have been fighting against over on lbo.
--
Michael Perelman
Economics Department
California State University
Chico, CA 95929
Tel. 530-898-5321
E-Mail [
Louis Proyect wrote:
> >This seems correct -- but it also seems to indicate the irrelevance or
> >even obscurantist nature of long arguments about whether some other
> >people are/were happier in Situation A rather than Situation B.
> >
> >Carrol
>
> You don't seem to get it. This is not about
The edition of the Oxford Anthology I have at work is dated 1935. Maybe they dumped
the folk poetry and ballads by the 70s, and reinstated them later? --jks
In a message dated Mon, 15 May 2000 4:10:37 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Doug Henwood
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
<< [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrot
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>And this from a former lit grad student! I think they need less
>Theory and more literature in those classes. My old Oxford Anthology
>of English poetry has not insubstantial chunks of material that we
>would call folk poetry, medieval and Renaissance, not all of it i
In a message dated Mon, 15 May 2000 3:07:35 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Doug Henwood
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
<< Charles Brown wrote:
>Even if the olden days were not the good olden days, this literature
>may reflect the enormous pain suffered by the English peasants who
>were brutalized in
>>> Doug Henwood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 05/15/00 03:05PM >>>
Charles Brown wrote:
>Even if the olden days were not the good olden days, this literature
>may reflect the enormous pain suffered by the English peasants who
>were brutalized in the primitive accumulation.
I don't think peasants made
>>> Doug Henwood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 05/15/00 01:24PM >>>
Jim Devine wrote:
>Brad DeLong writes:
>> >Either that or people actually *liked* having their teeth fall out...
>
>Louis Proyect writes:
>>I don't think the discussion is about dental hygeine. It is about
>>the right of a Vietnamese i
>>> Jim Devine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 05/13/00 11:19PM >>>
I wrote:
> [*] Has anyone ever noticed the similarity between the development of the
> USSR and that of the Ford Motor Company (or similar "entrepreneurial"
> corporations)? It starts with the radical idiosyncrasies of the Great
> Leade
Charles Brown wrote:
>Even if the olden days were not the good olden days, this literature
>may reflect the enormous pain suffered by the English peasants who
>were brutalized in the primitive accumulation.
I don't think peasants made a large contribution to canonical English
poetry, except a
Even if the olden days were not the good olden days, this literature may reflect the
enormous pain suffered by the English peasants who were brutalized in the primitive
accumulation.
And capitalism continues to brutalize , for its powerful and efficient mode of
production is mirrored in an irr
>>> Jim Devine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 05/13/00 08:48PM >>>
[*] Has anyone ever noticed the similarity between the development of the
USSR and that of the Ford Motor Company (or similar "entrepreneurial"
corporations)? It starts with the radical idiosyncrasies of the Great
Leader (Stalin, Henry Fo
>>> Jim Devine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 05/13/00 08:48PM >>>
Actually, the good news about the move to the city is _not_ any kind of
automatic increase in the standard of living (since the powers that be,
including not only the US, the IMF, and the World Bank but also the local
bourgeoisie will
Jim Devine wrote:
>Brad DeLong writes:
>> >Either that or people actually *liked* having their teeth fall out...
>
>Louis Proyect writes:
>>I don't think the discussion is about dental hygeine. It is about
>>the right of a Vietnamese in the 60s or a Colombian peasant today
>>to not have napalm
Louis is right!
Mine
ps: I don't know how this message looks like. my server practically does
not work now..
>This seems correct -- but it also seems to indicate the irrelevance or
>even obscurantist nature of long arguments about whether some other
>people are/were happier in Situation A
Brad,
Thank you very much the for sending the summary of the bill. I only
skimmed through it briefly. I know that Carl Linder with got some
provisions put in the bill that makes the retaliation against Europe
stronger regarding his banana interests.
I also noticed that the bill was concerned a
Title: Re: [PEN-L:18928] Re: Re: Re: Sowing Dragons
(fwd)
How much of the legislation relates to
tariffs?
Brad De Long wrote:
>
> And this is supposed to be an argument that U.S. restrictions
on
> imports of African textiles are for Africans' own good?
>
--
Michael Perelman
In a message dated 00-05-14 00:02:44 EDT, you write:
<< Ransom, Roger L. and Richard Sutch. 1977. One Kind of Freedom: The Economic
Consequences of Emancipation (Cambridge University Press).
show that leisure increased immediately after the Civil War, however, that
phenomenon was short lived a
-
From: "Michael Perelman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Sunday, May 14, 2000 2:22 AM
Subject: [PEN-L:18916] Re: Re: Sowing Dragons (fwd)
> Schumpeter?
>
> Jim Devine wrote:
>
> >
> > [*] Has anyone ever noticed the similarity betwe
How much of the legislation relates to tariffs?
Brad De Long wrote:
>
> And this is supposed to be an argument that U.S. restrictions on
> imports of African textiles are for Africans' own good?
>
--
Michael Perelman
Economics Department
California State University
Chico, CA 95929
Tel. 530-898
Justin,
Ransom, Roger L. and Richard Sutch. 1977. One Kind of Freedom: The Economic
Consequences of Emancipation (Cambridge University Press).
show that leisure increased immediately after the Civil War, however, that
phenomenon was short lived after the Southern planters regrouped.
[EMAIL PROTEC
Justin writes: >Having just finished Leon Litwack's Trouble in Mind, a
terrifying, beatifullly written, though not terribly analytical account of
bacl life under Jim Crow from the end of Reconstruction through the 20s-,
I think I can report that Jim is flat wrong to say that the ex-slaves
g
>Louis Proyect wrote:
>
>> >Either that or people actually *liked* having their teeth fall out...
>> >
>> >Brad DeLong
>>
>> I don't think the discussion is about dental hygeine. It is about the right
>> of a Vietnamese in the 60s or a Colombian peasant today to not have napalm
>> dropped on
I wrote:
> [*] Has anyone ever noticed the similarity between the development of the
> USSR and that of the Ford Motor Company (or similar "entrepreneurial"
> corporations)? It starts with the radical idiosyncrasies of the Great
> Leader (Stalin, Henry Ford, Sr.), who is then replaced by namel
> > moreover, how would US develop its own capitalism without slave labor (
> > especially agricultural production in the South)?
>
>Ah, but Marx would insist on the relative antagonisms between rival modes
>of production: it's not that capitalism is identical to slavery, rather
>you had a slav
In a message dated 00-05-13 17:05:51 EDT, you write:
<< Either that or people actually *liked* having their teeth fall out...
Brad DeLong >>
Hey, Brad, revealed preferences, right? --jks
Schumpeter?
Jim Devine wrote:
>
> [*] Has anyone ever noticed the similarity between the development of the
> USSR and that of the Ford Motor Company (or similar "entrepreneurial"
> corporations)? It starts with the radical idiosyncrasies of the Great
> Leader (Stalin, Henry Ford, Sr.), who is t
Brad DeLong writes:
> >Either that or people actually *liked* having their teeth fall out...
Louis Proyect writes:
>I don't think the discussion is about dental hygeine. It is about the
>right of a Vietnamese in the 60s or a Colombian peasant today to not have
>napalm dropped on them because th
At 01:35 PM 05/13/2000 -0400, you wrote:
>My understand of the shift from hunting and gathering to agriculture is that
>nutritional standards did decline, but so did the risk of starvation.
>Agricultural
>output was less uncertain.
Maybe, but it's not unmixed progress. It's more a matter of a tr
Dennis, I exactly argued the same. We are talking past to each other!
See my previous post where I used the words "local" and "global"
capitalism..
Mine
> There's local
>capitalism, regional, urban, national, international, multinational,
>financial, industrial, etc. and these modes of product
On Fri, 12 May 2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> moreover, how would US develop its own capitalism without slave labor (
> especially agricultural production in the South)?
Ah, but Marx would insist on the relative antagonisms between rival modes
of production: it's not that capitalism is identica
>This seems correct -- but it also seems to indicate the irrelevance or
>even obscurantist nature of long arguments about whether some other
>people are/were happier in Situation A rather than Situation B.
>
>Carrol
You don't seem to get it. This is not about a "Golden Age". It is whether
radica
[Sorry -- I clicked the send instead of the quote button on the
preceding empty post.]
Louis Proyect wrote:
> >Either that or people actually *liked* having their teeth fall out...
> >
> >Brad DeLong
>
> I don't think the discussion is about dental hygeine. It is about the right
> of a Vietnames
similar example to the point raised by Louis. Adam Smith's defense
of the "landed gentry" and country values can be seen as a reaction to
commercialization of the Scottish agriculture, a point made by David
McNally in _Political Economy and the Rise of Capitalism: A
Reinterpreation_. this is inte
>On Fri, 12 May 2000, Louis Proyect wrote:
>
>> very often of a seasonal nature. If you read Juliette Schor's "The
>> Overworked American", you will discover that the average peasant worked
>> half as many hours as the average proletarian during the rise of the
>> industrial revolution. That i
Louis Proyect wrote:
>From
>the angle of cultural studies, it is also the subject of Raymond Williams'
>indispensable "The Country and the City", which considers English poetry's
>reaction to the industrial revolution:
>
>>From "The Deserted Village" by Oliver Goldsmith (1730?-1774)
>
>Even now t
My understand of the shift from hunting and gathering to agriculture is that
nutritional standards did decline, but so did the risk of starvation. Agricultural
output was less uncertain.
Rod
Jim Devine wrote:
> At 02:33 AM 05/13/2000 -0700, you wrote:
> >On Fri, 12 May 2000, Louis Proyect wrote
At 02:33 AM 05/13/2000 -0700, you wrote:
>On Fri, 12 May 2000, Louis Proyect wrote:
>
> > very often of a seasonal nature. If you read Juliette Schor's "The
> > Overworked American", you will discover that the average peasant worked
> > half as many hours as the average proletarian during the rise
Thank's for the plug Louis. The book, as well as Transcending the Economy, is
not published.
Louis Proyect wrote:
> This led to bitter and protracted struggles which Marx discussed in
> Capital. It is also the subject of Michael Perelman's wonderful, soon to be
> published "The Invention of Ca
Does this mean that peasant societies were inefficient or that a large portion
of the output was siphoned all by landlords and userers?
Dennis R Redmond wrote:
>
>
> But didn't this have to do with limited food sources and chronic disease
> and malnutrition? Peasant societies couldn't sustain ye
On Fri, 12 May 2000, Louis Proyect wrote:
> very often of a seasonal nature. If you read Juliette Schor's "The
> Overworked American", you will discover that the average peasant worked
> half as many hours as the average proletarian during the rise of the
> industrial revolution. That is the reas
>Nike's workers aren't slaves. They're proletarians.
of course, they are proleterians. but Marx says that wage labor is another
form of slave labor, especially in the initial stages of capitalist
development. He talks about coercion and "forceful expropriation of
agricultural folk from the land"
>Violence is NOT ok in America, not anymore, thanks to Third Wave
>feminism,
first of all, women are organizing in those societies against
domestic violence TOO. Did you ever attempt to look at the organizational
struggles of Asian feminist women? Women in sex industry ara organized
into unions
Dennis:
>Nike's workers aren't slaves. They're proletarians. Do you have any idea
>of what rice farming without modern machinery is like? You wade around in
>a field all day, hunched over, getting sunburnt to a crisp, attacked by
>mosquitoes, flies, and leeches, and have to put up with endemic mal
On Fri, 12 May 2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> market econmy do not seem to benefit these people. In fact, what is going
> on in Vietnam is a sign of peripherilization in a country charecterized by
> devestating poverty and inequalities.It is generally the most vulnerable
> sectors such as women,
Would _you_ have survived untill now without the US?
Mine
>> >The more serious question is this: what *can* the Left offer as a
>>developmental model to Vietnam?
>>-- Dennis
>
>>Cuba.
>Would Cuba have survived until 1989 without Soviet subsidies?
Doug
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