Hey PEN-L:
I think the students' demo against fee increases was the largest protest at
the state Capitol since the anti-war rallies last spring.
Seth Sandronsky
Community college students march to protest planned fee hikes
By Lesli A. Maxwell -- Bee Staff Writer
Published 3:46 p.m. PST M
> While you're at it, why don't you sort out Arnold's
> accounting problem, so that we can get on with more
> interesting stories.
>
> J.
Hi J.,
I will respond to you in a language you seem to
understand best.
I don't give a fucking shit to Arnold's accounting
problems or to you.
You called for
> For example, I am not as deeply in love with Marxian
> theory of value as Jurriaan is, nor I am as deeply in
> love with contract theory as who knows whom?
It makes absolutely no sense for a socialist to be in love with a theory,
because a theory is only a means to an end.
The only thing I can
> So, I really don't know what the best answer
> is -- except that it is a good idea to try and
> be conversant in orthodox Marxism, modern
> economics, etc., and not to reject others on
> the basis of terminological preference.
>
> Julio
I don't know what exactly you mean by modern economics
Juli
Thanks, but I mean Fred's chapters.
At 13:58 3/12/03 +0100, you wrote:
Robert
asks:
Would you give the citation for these?
There's a good paper at
http://www.ccsr.ac.uk/staff/wkolsen/ahe2002/GT1.doc
although how appealing Californians would find the notion of "grounded theory" I do not know.
Robert asks:
Would you give the citation for these?
There's a good paper at http://www.ccsr.ac.uk/staff/wkolsen/ahe2002/GT1.doc although
how appealing Californians would find the notion of "grounded theory" I do not
know.
I was born in a cross-fire hurricane And I
howled, at my ma in t
story.
Fred Lee
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I agree with Ahmet:
radical economists
Ahmet:
> Radical economists cannot get teaching positions
> at those universities respected or otherwise if
> there is no demand for them. The demand itself
> is always created by the general political and
> cultural mood.
I don't debate this Ahmet. But there seems to be a
chicken and egg issue
> My own situation supports Ahmed's interpretation of the academic market
> for left economists. Here at Chico, my application had been passed over
> by the faculty. I guess it was sort of flippant.
I a really surprised at that, because, beyond a bit of humour, you're
basically not a flippant pe
Michael Yates described his success in addressing Jim Craven's classes.
A certain degree of his success probably had to do with the fact that
Jim had already laid the groundwork. I wonder how well he would do
after students had finished nearly a semester of neoclassical
indoctrination. I'm not sa
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Radical economists cannot get teaching positions at those universities
respected or otherwise if there is no demand for them. The demand itself is
always created by the general
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> What happened at American universities in the 60's was
>
> 1) anyone who didn't want to be drafted headed for a graduate
> pr
, including economics
departments: Marglin of Harvard, Harris of Stanford, Foley of
Barnard/Columbia, etc.
Am I making sense as an outsider--as another Turk?
Ahmet Tonak
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On Tuesday, December 2, 2003 at 09:59:16 (-0500) E. Ahmet Tonak writes:
>Radical economists cannot get teaching positions at those universities
>respected or otherwise if there is no demand for them. The demand itself is
>always created by the general political and cultural mood. Sometimes,
>cert
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> > Many of the students seemed convinced that
> > neoclassical economics was an inadequate tool
> > for analyzing production and distribution.
> > But
> Many of the students seemed convinced that
> neoclassical economics was an inadequate tool
> for analyzing production and distribution.
> But several of them wanted to know why it was
> so popular and dominant in the schools. Why
> weren't most students presented with alternatives?
> What would
My friend James Craven invited me to speak in three of his economics
classes at Clark College in Vancouver Washington, just a few miles north of
Portland. Jim is using my new book as a supplementary text in his
courses. It was an interesting experience to talk to students who had read
my
Well you know what happened in the later 1920s and 1930s in Germany. The
bourgeois elites, unable to see a way out of the mess and unable to defeat
the Left, began to collaborate with, and fund Hitler, even although Hitler
came from outside a classic bourgeois milieu, had a "national socialist"
ide
It's amazing how the 1950s Cold War rhetoric has come back with a vengeance (along
with Reagan-era Cold War rhetoric). The Dulles brother also talked of "liberating" the
enemy.[*] The big change is that the USSR has been replaced by a terrorist phantom.
People in the US interpret Bush's rhetoric
BUSH'S SPEECH
On 16 August I posted a report on PEN-L on a pulpit speech that Bush held in
California. One way to look at this text is to say "well, it's all bullshit,
GWB is at it again, waffling along in the predictable manner, I am going to
switch to another channel". But another way to look at
Please, let's not get started.
On Tue, Sep 17, 2002 at 03:54:06PM -0400, Louis Proyect wrote:
>
> >Someone wrote the other day:
>
> How amusing. Doug is afraid to mention my name like in Beetlejuice.
> Everybody knows that if you say "Proyect" 3 times in rapid succession, the
> gates of hell
>Someone wrote the other day:
How amusing. Doug is afraid to mention my name like in Beetlejuice.
Everybody knows that if you say "Proyect" 3 times in rapid succession, the
gates of hell will open up and engorge the U. Mass economics department.
In any case, the news he posted on undergraduat
II. Do you suppose this comes from reading too much Derrida?
Some interesting data on U.S. undergrad attitudes is at
<http://www.avot.org/stories/storyReader$72>:
>37% of Students Say They Would Evade the Draft
>
>37% of all college students said they would be "likely to try to
&g
Published on Monday, January 28, 2002 in the Los Angeles Times
Poll Says College Freshmen Lean Left
UCLA Survey Finds Highest Percentage of Politically Liberal
Students Since Early '70s
by Rebecca Trounson
More college freshmen today describe themselves as politically
liberal than at any time si
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Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 5:27:57 PM Eastern Daylight Time
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Six College Students Occupy Sikorsky Corpor
Sure its good for employers to have more applicants than
vacancies. But I'm not sure even employers really want to
see a ten to one ratio!
Treacy: Friday's Population column in the Wall Street Journal carried word about
a U.S. Cenus Bureau report that found in 1993 that the age 25-34
Sure its good for employers to have more applicants than
vacancies. But I'm not sure even employers really want to
see a ten to one ratio! The marginal benefit to them of
additional job seekers must decline, and the effects of
demoralization and social unrest must be seen as some kind
of cost
People have spoken of "grade inflation" for decades, and also
sometimes of degree inflation. We may now be reaching the
stage where the college degree is what a high-school diploma
once was. More than that, in the new environment of temporary
private sector jobs, personal connections will be
Well, if it's any consolation, here at O$U we're consolidating and downsizing
our communication and journalism departments in favor of "core social sciences"
like economics (!), political science, sociology and psychology (all with a
quantitative focus). At least this university is trying to a
I am also inclined to think that higher education should be freely available
as well as publicly rather than privately funded. But I also think that this
requires that we have a strong system of vocational and secondary education.
As far as I can tell, for a great many in the US, that is often no
Does education only serve the purpose of producing human capital, which,
if not realized through employment, is an inefficent use of resorces?
Does not higher education have a use-value that cannot be reduced to a
quanitative measure/its exchange value in the labor market?
Peter Bratsis
CUNY
, in years past.) And in ten years that
figure (20%) will jump by more than half, to 33%, says BLS, if current
trends hold.
Given these realities, how much sense does it make for tax-payers to
spend many millions each year to assist mediocre college students to
jump through the requisite ho
_The Economist_ recently ran an article (August 20-26, p44) on Germany's much
admired dual system of education -- two tracks, one academic, one vocational.
It's running into trouble. The need for highly skilled blue collar workers
is declining, the demand for more flexible generalists with great
Well, if it's any consolation, here at O$U we're consolidating and downsizing
our communication and journalism departments in favor of "core social sciences"
like economics (!), political science, sociology and psychology (all with a
quantitative focus). At least this university is trying to av
Although I appreciated much of the passion behind Mark Laffey's
post, I do think there are important questions to be raised about
the public subsidy of higher education. In one sense, I think it
is inadequate, since I would like to see higher education freely
available to anyone interested. (Whet
Sometimes I have serious reservations about the "left." Richard's remarks
on education are precisely the same as though of Milton Friedman and others
circa 1968-1973. This was precisely the point in time colleges and college
financing were forced open to accommodate working class students --
espec
Richard:
I think that there are two flaws in your posting.
One, the relative return to a college degree has been increasing since the
early 1980s, i.e., the college graduate - non-college graduate differential
has been increasing -- especially for people with advanced degrees.
Two, undergradua
, right? That's your argument if
I understand it. Aldous Huxley give a pretty vivid picture of what an eficient
elevator requires in the way of intelligence. It seems to me that plenty of
college students are well aware that the jobs are not there, but also that such
positions as are availabl
I have no problem with students choosing to attend a university for the
purpose of improving their thinking skills, to expand their
breadth of knowledge in whatever subject gives them the most pleasure,
or to simply enrich their consciousness and their appreciation of the
human drama. But unl
Your point is well taken.
one benefit of "too many college students" is that *employers* can
see a queue of job-seekers and then pick and choose the ones that
are best for their purposes. This gives the employers quite an
advantage in their relationship to employees.
in pen-l solidarity,
Jim Devine
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How do we address the problem that many American students of
limited talent are now spending huge amounts of time and money
pursuing some brass-ring occupation, only to (inevitably) see their
dreams denied? The fact is that we are educating many more
prospective managers and professionals th
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