Re: Old and broken versions of Module::Install

2006-07-07 Thread Adam Kennedy
James E Keenan wrote: Steffen Mueller wrote: You can find a complete (and somewhat current) list of problematic modules at http://steffen-mueller.net/mi_old.html Thank you very much for this public service! Indeed. Adam K

Re: [Slightly OT] Understanding Software Licences [was Re: Proposal Suggestion - Test::Run [was Re: [Israel.pm] Fwd: Call for proposals -- Perl Foundation Grants]]

2006-07-07 Thread Adam Kennedy
From my interpretation, what he said was "I don't care to understand licenses enough so I don't want to be bothere with it." Now I think this is a rather small-minded approach to this issue, which I think is very bad. Perhaps, the response to Ovid about it instead of this message was not appropr

Re: TAP extension proposal: test attributes

2006-07-07 Thread Yuval Kogman
On Fri, Jul 07, 2006 at 08:36:33 -0500, Scott Bolte wrote: > I propose using of subset of the Config::Std syntax to allow tests to > declare attributes that are captured in Test::TAP::Model as a hash. > That would allow the test to declare configuration information, such > as its dependencies, whi

Re: More on the TAP::Grammar

2006-07-07 Thread Michael G Schwern
On 7/7/06, Ovid <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: This long-winded (as usual) explanation brings me around to my actual question: is there really any need to have the lexing and parsing stages clearly delineated? I can't see why, but from you mentioning several times that "that's a parser's job, no

Re: [Slightly OT] Understanding Software Licences [was Re: Proposal Suggestion - Test::Run [was Re: [Israel.pm] Fwd: Call for proposals -- Perl Foundation Grants]]

2006-07-07 Thread Michael G Schwern
On 7/7/06, chromatic <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I DO NOT WANT TO RELICENSE YOUR CODE. It is a huge maintenance burden. It creates confusion for developers, who need to decide which version to patch. It creates confusion for users, who need to decide which version to use. You can't reuse patch

Re: [Slightly OT] Understanding Software Licences [was Re: Proposal Suggestion - Test::Run [was Re: [Israel.pm] Fwd: Call for proposals -- Perl Foundation Grants]]

2006-07-07 Thread Michael G Schwern
Folks should read the fascinating document which is the LEGAL file which comes with the Ruby source code. http://www.ruby-lang.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb.cgi/ruby/LEGAL?rev=1.12.2.2;content-type=text%2Fplain The Ruby source contains not one, not two, but SIXTEEN different licences including the "Beer-War

Re: Old and broken versions of Module::Install

2006-07-07 Thread James E Keenan
Steffen Mueller wrote: You can find a complete (and somewhat current) list of problematic modules at http://steffen-mueller.net/mi_old.html Thank you very much for this public service! jimk

TAP Namespace Nonproliferation Treaty

2006-07-07 Thread Michael G Schwern
I propose that we all avoid grabbing the juicy names in the top level TAP namespace, such as TAP::Grammar, TAP::Parser and so on. This avoids one module getting the special status of being "the" TAP::Parser. AKA "The CGI.pm problem". Sort of declare a namespace Antarctic Treaty. For example, I

Re: Any Clue about Devel::Cover Error Message "Corrupted storable file (binary v2.7) at ../../lib/Storable.pm"

2006-07-07 Thread Paul Johnson
On Fri, Jul 07, 2006 at 10:26:13AM -0700, Scott Wang wrote: > Hi Paul, > > Even, currently, there is no any zero size data file > in structure folder in my regression code coverage run > (lots of suites), I still got lots of messages like > below: > --- > Corrupted storable file (binary v

Re: Licenses, alligators

2006-07-07 Thread Jonathan T. Rockway
Great, now the mailing list archives have to be licenced under the GFDL :-) Ian Langworth wrote: When the last giant thread happened, I felt guilty for not contributing. To absolve myself of any future guilt due to the lack of a contribution to recent conversations, here's some useful informati

Licenses, alligators

2006-07-07 Thread Ian Langworth
When the last giant thread happened, I felt guilty for not contributing. To absolve myself of any future guilt due to the lack of a contribution to recent conversations, here's some useful information about alligators, courtesy of Wikipedia: "There are only two countries on earth that have alliga

Re: [Slightly OT] Understanding Software Licences

2006-07-07 Thread A. Pagaltzis
Oh, and as a last point, before I leave well enough alone: * Shlomi Fish <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006-07-07 17:45]: > I can tell you from my experience that one of my projects would > not have become half-as-successful as it has been, if it had > been released under the GPL instead of the Public Doma

Re: [Slightly OT] Understanding Software Licences [was Re: Proposal Suggestion - Test::Run [was Re: [Israel.pm] Fwd: Call for proposals -- Perl Foundation Grants]]

2006-07-07 Thread chromatic
On Friday 07 July 2006 08:56, Shlomi Fish wrote: Shlomi, you are NOT reading or comprehending what people say here. Please stop and think about what I write until you understand it before you respond. > What I wanted to say is that people should have the > minimal knowledge to understand that M

Re: [Slightly OT] Understanding Software Licences [was Re: Proposal Suggestion - Test::Run [was Re: [Israel.pm] Fwd: Call for proposals -- Perl Foundation Grants]]

2006-07-07 Thread Shlomi Fish
On Friday 07 July 2006 18:39, Andy Lester wrote: > Those who disagree with Shlomi on licenses are small-headed and > ignorant. Got it. > > Keep digging that hole, Mr. Fish! > That's not what I said or meant. What I meant was that someone here said and I quote: http://www.mail-archive.com/perl-q

Any Clue about Devel::Cover Error Message "Corrupted storable file (binary v2.7) at ../../lib/Storable.pm"

2006-07-07 Thread Scott Wang
Hi Paul, Even, currently, there is no any zero size data file in structure folder in my regression code coverage run (lots of suites), I still got lots of messages like below: --- Corrupted storable file (binary v2.7) at ../../lib/Storable.pm (autosplit into ../../lib/auto/Storable/_retrie

Re: [Slightly OT] Understanding Software Licences

2006-07-07 Thread A. Pagaltzis
* Shlomi Fish <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006-07-07 17:45]: > For the record, it is possible to be interested and > knowledgable about law, without having a Law Diploma. This is > similar to the fact that you can program without having a B.Sc. > in Computer Science or whatever. No, it’s more similar to

Re: [Slightly OT] Understanding Software Licences [was Re: Proposal Suggestion - Test::Run [was Re: [Israel.pm] Fwd: Call for proposals -- Perl Foundation Grants]]

2006-07-07 Thread Shlomi Fish
Hi Chris! On Friday 07 July 2006 17:04, Chris Dolan wrote: > On Jul 7, 2006, at 8:13 AM, Shlomi Fish wrote: > > This kind of attitude was also said by another responder to this > > mailing list. > > It's sort of a "small headed" (see > > http://www.joelonsoftware.com/items/2004/12/06.html ) "I jus

Re: [Slightly OT] Understanding Software Licences [was Re: Proposal Suggestion - Test::Run [was Re: [Israel.pm] Fwd: Call for proposals -- Perl Foundation Grants]]

2006-07-07 Thread Andy Lester
Those who disagree with Shlomi on licenses are small-headed and ignorant. Got it. Keep digging that hole, Mr. Fish! -- Andy Lester => [EMAIL PROTECTED] => www.petdance.com => AIM:petdance

Re: [Slightly OT] Understanding Software Licences

2006-07-07 Thread Shlomi Fish
On Friday 07 July 2006 17:07, Pete Krawczyk wrote: > Subject: [Slightly OT] Understanding Software Licences [was Re: Proposal > Suggestion - Test::Run [was Re: [Israel.pm] Fwd: Call for proposals -- Perl > Foundation Grants]] From: Shlomi Fish <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2006 16:13:58 +0

Re: [Slightly OT] Understanding Software Licences

2006-07-07 Thread A. Pagaltzis
* Shlomi Fish <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006-07-07 15:25]: > It's sort of a "small headed" (see > http://www.joelonsoftware.com/items/2004/12/06.html ) "I just > want to write code and am not interested in any legal details" > attitude. Oh, please. Are you really that audacious to suggest that all of P

Re: [Slightly OT] Understanding Software Licences

2006-07-07 Thread Ovid
- Original Message > From: Shlomi Fish <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To battle such ignorance and give people (especially those with some > non-negligible authority) a quick-and-dirty intro to such issues, I've set up > the following wiki page: > > http://perl.net.au/wiki/Legal_Resources_for_H

Re: [Slightly OT] Understanding Software Licences

2006-07-07 Thread Pete Krawczyk
Subject: [Slightly OT] Understanding Software Licences [was Re: Proposal Suggestion - Test::Run [was Re: [Israel.pm] Fwd: Call for proposals -- Perl Foundation Grants]] From: Shlomi Fish <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2006 16:13:58 +0300 }Well, I'm not a lawyer, either, but I still have a

Re: [Slightly OT] Understanding Software Licences [was Re: Proposal Suggestion - Test::Run [was Re: [Israel.pm] Fwd: Call for proposals -- Perl Foundation Grants]]

2006-07-07 Thread Chris Dolan
On Jul 7, 2006, at 8:13 AM, Shlomi Fish wrote: This kind of attitude was also said by another responder to this mailing list. It's sort of a "small headed" (see http://www.joelonsoftware.com/items/2004/12/06.html ) "I just want to write code and am not interested in any legal details" attit

Re: Module Signatures [was Re: On "Gaming" CPANTS...]

2006-07-07 Thread Tels
Moin, On Thursday 06 July 2006 03:22, Jonathan Rockway wrote: > > It adds a dependency on a binary application (gpg) that users have to > > install by hand, doesn't check for the presence of it properly, and > > if you don't have it, installs an enormous chain of dependencies, > > with said deps h

Re: On "Gaming" CPANTS, and a Kwalitee Suggestion

2006-07-07 Thread Tels
Moin, On Thursday 06 July 2006 11:40, David Cantrell wrote: > Tels wrote: > > And, "improve compatibility" - with broken systems? OMG. :) > > Yeah, you know, like when you comment this out before release :-) > > # die("Sorry, you must have a computer to run this software\n") > # if($^O =~ /win32

Re: Proposal Suggestion - Test::Run

2006-07-07 Thread Nicholas Clark
On Wed, Jul 05, 2006 at 11:57:42PM -0700, chromatic wrote: > On Wednesday 05 July 2006 23:02, Shlomi Fish n wrote: > > > I don't see using the X11 licence for my software as anti-social. Like I > > said, anyone can easily fork it as a software of a different licence. > > Supposing you actually fi

TAP extension proposal: test attributes

2006-07-07 Thread Scott Bolte
A few years ago I created a system where a test would disclose all of the files on which it depended. This allowed for continuous monitoring of those files and immediate re-execution of the test when it or its dependencies changed. When combined with real-time generation of an HTML dashboard, it re

[Slightly OT] Understanding Software Licences [was Re: Proposal Suggestion - Test::Run [was Re: [Israel.pm] Fwd: Call for proposals -- Perl Foundation Grants]]

2006-07-07 Thread Shlomi Fish
Hi Ovid! On Friday 07 July 2006 12:30, Ovid wrote: > - Original Message > From: Shlomi Fish <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > Not exactly. I suggested that if anyone is interested in working on > > Test::Run, he can file a proposal for a grant saying he'd like to work on > > it with me as a mento

Re: Proposal Suggestion - Test::Run [was Re: [Israel.pm] Fwd: Call for proposals -- Perl Foundation Grants]

2006-07-07 Thread Andy Lester
On Jul 7, 2006, at 4:30 AM, Ovid wrote: I oversee the grant committee but I don't speak for it so it's quite possible that what I say is wrong, but I'm willing to bet money If you do not include a bet amount, the bet will not be approved. Typical bets are generally in the $500 to $3000 rang

Re: More on the TAP::Grammar

2006-07-07 Thread Ovid
- Original Message From: Ovid <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Also, since I had not seen the TAP::Harness work before, I didn't > know that a separate parser was already being planned. My only > motivation for writing TAP::Parser was my assumption that it was > needed and was not going to otherwis

Re: More on the TAP::Grammar

2006-07-07 Thread Ovid
- Original Message From: Michael G Schwern <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> On 7/4/06, Ovid <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Because we're discarding anything which does not look like a plan or a test > > line > > Don't discard them, just pass them through unaltered. Don't want to > lose any informat

Re: Proposal Suggestion - Test::Run [was Re: [Israel.pm] Fwd: Call for proposals -- Perl Foundation Grants]

2006-07-07 Thread Ovid
- Original Message From: Shlomi Fish <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Not exactly. I suggested that if anyone is interested in working on > Test::Run, > he can file a proposal for a grant saying he'd like to work on it with me as > a mentor. I still don't have anyone who can work on it. This is