Re: Auto: Your message 'FAIL IO-AIO-2.51 i386-freebsd-thread-multi 6.2-release' has NOT been received

2007-12-18 Thread Elliot Shank
Jonathan Rockway wrote: Anyway, I think most authors like the reports. Personally, it motivates me to fix my modules when I know someone is actually trying to use them. (Smokers are nice too because I can fix my modules before a real person wastes their time trying to install my broken code :)

Re: Auto: Your message 'FAIL IO-AIO-2.51 i386-freebsd-thread-multi 6.2-release' has NOT been received

2007-12-18 Thread Matisse Enzer
On Dec 18, 2007, at 10:17 PM, Jonathan Rockway wrote: (Smokers are nice too because I can fix my modules before a real person wastes their time trying to install my broken code :) That reminds me: I recently learned about BuildBot, an open source continuous integration system. What make

Re: Auto: Your message 'FAIL IO-AIO-2.51 i386-freebsd-thread-multi 6.2-release' has NOT been received

2007-12-18 Thread Jonathan Rockway
On Wed, 2007-12-19 at 03:30 +, Andy Armstrong wrote: > I'm locked in correspondence with Marc now. > > His view: cpan-testers are incompetent, ego tripping, quasi-religious > nuisances. Solution: get a mail filter. If he doesn't want reports, he should devnull them. Anyway, I think most

Re: Auto: Your message 'FAIL IO-AIO-2.51 i386-freebsd-thread-multi 6.2-release' has NOT been received

2007-12-18 Thread David Golden
On Dec 18, 2007 9:59 PM, Chris Dolan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Does anyone know how the false negative rates compare for cpan-tester > smokers vs. CPAN::Reporter users? I've found the former to be > enormously valuable for cross-platform testing (especially David > Cantrell and Slaven Rezic), b

Re: Fwd: Auto: Your message 'FAIL IO-AIO-2.51 i386-freebsd-thread-multi6.2-release' has NOT been received

2007-12-18 Thread James E Keenan
Michael G Schwern wrote: As for the social problem, the BSD testers could try to help out with whatever the problem is. On Marc's side he could ask for help instead of asking everyone to turn off the immensely useful automated testing. Not to excuse what Marc's automated response said but

Re: Auto: Your message 'FAIL IO-AIO-2.51 i386-freebsd-thread-multi 6.2-release' has NOT been received

2007-12-18 Thread Andy Armstrong
On 19 Dec 2007, at 03:13, Michael G Schwern wrote: Anyhow, what's clear is there is a problem with IO::AIO. It hasn't been addressed properly by the author. While it's frustrating to get a constant stream of "your shit is broke", his shit is indeed broke. This is a clear case of CPAN Test

Re: Auto: Your message 'FAIL IO-AIO-2.51 i386-freebsd-thread-multi 6.2-release' has NOT been received

2007-12-18 Thread Andy Armstrong
On 19 Dec 2007, at 02:59, Chris Dolan wrote: Presumably the false negative rate achieved by the best modules is a measure of how noisy the smoking system is. Given that the cleanest modules regularly get a <1% FAIL rate over many tens of reports it's not a huge reach to suggest that any modu

Re: Fwd: Auto: Your message 'FAIL IO-AIO-2.51 i386-freebsd-thread-multi 6.2-release' has NOT been received

2007-12-18 Thread Michael G Schwern
chromatic wrote: > On Tuesday 18 December 2007 17:27:24 Andy Armstrong wrote: > >> Someone (MLEHMANN) doesn't like smoking... That was a test report >> generated by CPAN::Reporter. >> >> It hadn't previously occurred to me that test reports might cause >> offence... > > Didn't you get a whole sle

Re: Auto: Your message 'FAIL IO-AIO-2.51 i386-freebsd-thread-multi 6.2-release' has NOT been received

2007-12-18 Thread Chris Dolan
On Dec 18, 2007, at 8:13 PM, Andy Armstrong wrote: On 19 Dec 2007, at 02:05, chromatic wrote: Sure - but I'd have expected that to be perceived as a specific problem in an otherwise valuable system. It's not a rational reason to right off automated testing as a whole surely? That depends o

Re: Auto: Your message 'FAIL IO-AIO-2.51 i386-freebsd-thread-multi 6.2-release' has NOT been received

2007-12-18 Thread Andy Armstrong
On 19 Dec 2007, at 02:05, chromatic wrote: Sure - but I'd have expected that to be perceived as a specific problem in an otherwise valuable system. It's not a rational reason to right off automated testing as a whole surely? That depends on the ratio of useless to useful results. Presumabl

Re: Auto: Your message 'FAIL IO-AIO-2.51 i386-freebsd-thread-multi 6.2-release' has NOT been received

2007-12-18 Thread chromatic
On Tuesday 18 December 2007 17:49:16 Andy Armstrong wrote: > Sure - but I'd have expected that to be perceived as a specific > problem in an otherwise valuable system. It's not a rational reason to > right off automated testing as a whole surely? That depends on the ratio of useless to useful res

Re: Auto: Your message 'FAIL IO-AIO-2.51 i386-freebsd-thread-multi 6.2-release' has NOT been received

2007-12-18 Thread Andy Armstrong
On 19 Dec 2007, at 01:42, chromatic wrote: It hadn't previously occurred to me that test reports might cause offence... Didn't you get a whole slew of them a while back where the problem was that that the reporter hadn't properly configured Windows to build modules? How about the one wher

Re: Fwd: Auto: Your message 'FAIL IO-AIO-2.51 i386-freebsd-thread-multi 6.2-release' has NOT been received

2007-12-18 Thread chromatic
On Tuesday 18 December 2007 17:27:24 Andy Armstrong wrote: > Someone (MLEHMANN) doesn't like smoking... That was a test report > generated by CPAN::Reporter. > > It hadn't previously occurred to me that test reports might cause > offence... Didn't you get a whole slew of them a while back where t

Fwd: Auto: Your message 'FAIL IO-AIO-2.51 i386-freebsd-thread-multi 6.2-release' has NOT been received

2007-12-18 Thread Andy Armstrong
Someone (MLEHMANN) doesn't like smoking... That was a test report generated by CPAN::Reporter. It hadn't previously occurred to me that test reports might cause offence... Begin forwarded message: From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 19 December 2007 00:35:18 GMT To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: A

Re: New proposed CPANTS metric: prereq_matches_use

2007-12-18 Thread Ask Solem Hoel
On Nov 22, 2007, at 3:47 PM, David Cantrell wrote: Does the metric include modules used in the test suite? I write my test suites to deal gracefully with missing Test modules. Most people don't, unfortunately. Then CPAN testers will catch it. I don't see how adding author test modules,