committed whole LKT test suite, improved the module itself

2005-03-09 Thread Darren Duncan
A status report ... I have now ported and committed the whole Locale::KeyedText test suite to Perl 6, and made a bunch of improvements to the Perl 6 version of that module itself. As of now, I see nothing further that needs doing with this module in the short term, except for inevitable small f

Regarding status of Parrot and pure perl Perl6 compiler

2005-03-09 Thread Millsa Erlas
What is the current status of the development of the Parrot and the Perl 6 compiler written in Perl? I hope that producing a Perl 6 compiler written in Perl 6 and the Parrot VM is still a high priority and is being actively developed as the premier compiler and VM for the Perl 6 language. A Per

Re: Strings - takers wanted

2005-03-09 Thread Leopold Toetsch
Steven Schubiger wrote: I'll try, although I've never worked on the core before, but I have a broad knowledge concerning perl guts and implementation. WRT both mails: select one task that is familar to you, having some knowledge of Parrot core is really helpful, then look into the referenced file

Re: [perl #xxxxx] [PATCH] garbage characters in a comment

2005-03-09 Thread Jarkko Hietaniemi
Robert wrote: >>Indeed curious. The first version was the gzip file, but utf8 encoded. > > > Double weird that it would only happen once. Did you do it the same way > both times, Jarkko? > Yup. Mac OS X, Thunderbird, Attach file, the same file. -- Jarkko Hietaniemi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http

Re: New Pugs Banner

2005-03-09 Thread Autrijus Tang
On Wed, Mar 09, 2005 at 09:39:35PM -0500, Stevan Little wrote: > While I like the current Pugs banner, it's basically a variation of the > Hugs banner. So I put my years of art school training to work, and some > help from FIGlet I created a new banner. Thanks, committed as r567 with a little tw

Re: New Pugs Banner

2005-03-09 Thread Scott Walters
See also http://use.perl.org/~LTjake/journal/23570 =) -scott On 0, Stevan Little <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Autrijus, > > While I like the current Pugs banner, it's basically a variation of the > Hugs banner. So I put my years of art school training to work, and some > help from FIGlet I cr

New Pugs Banner

2005-03-09 Thread Stevan Little
Autrijus, While I like the current Pugs banner, it's basically a variation of the Hugs banner. So I put my years of art school training to work, and some help from FIGlet I created a new banner. __ / \ __ \ \ \ \/\ \ __ __ __ __ (P)erl6 \ \ __/ \ \/\ \/\ __ \/\ __

Re: Test::Builder->create

2005-03-09 Thread Michael G Schwern
On Tue, Mar 08, 2005 at 10:11:09PM -0500, Michael Graham wrote: > Well, all I was going to do was try to shave a few seconds off the > running time of my test suite (which is now climbing up to the 10 minute > mark). I figured I could do the mod_perl thing: preload all my modules > and do most of

Re: Test::Builder->create

2005-03-09 Thread Michael G Schwern
On Tue, Mar 08, 2005 at 10:30:36PM -0500, Randy W. Sims wrote: > What about the "resource aquisition is initialization" approach? Oh ick no. Means on every subroutine entry you have to call a magic, mysterious TB method. > package TB; > sub new { bless { level => \my $level }, shift } > sub obt

using Rules with undefined values (was Re: some misc Perl 6 questions)

2005-03-09 Thread Darren Duncan
At 9:08 AM -0800 3/9/05, Larry Wall wrote: My other quibble is that you seem to be prone to stating things in the negative for at least two of your three tests here: subtype KeyName of Str where { $_.defined and $_ ne '' and $_ !~ m/\W/ } and it seems to me that you could simplify all that to j

Re: Logic Programming with Rules

2005-03-09 Thread Ovid
--- Rod Adams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > But come to think of it, it almost definitely makes more sense to > port Prolog or some other LP engine to Parrot, and then intermingle the > languages at that level. I don't think very many of us have fully > grasped what Parrot can do for Perl yet. I'

Re: committed first Perl 6 port of a non-core CPAN module

2005-03-09 Thread Darren Duncan
At 11:31 AM +1300 3/10/05, Sam Vilain wrote: Indeed, hooray! So when can we expect a port of Rosetta? ;-) Sam. In somewhere between 2 weeks and 2 months. I still have to make some significant changes to the Perl 5 version and get feedback on that, prior to translating it. However, its main depen

Re: Logic Programming with Rules

2005-03-09 Thread Rod Adams
Ovid wrote: --- Rod Adams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I was just relaying the observation that the P6RE was fairly close to being able to implement Logical Programming, which several people seem to be trying to get into Perl in some fashion or another. When I get a chance to talk to someone

Re: committed first Perl 6 port of a non-core CPAN module

2005-03-09 Thread Sam Vilain
Darren Duncan wrote: I didn't say that per se. I said "non-core". As far as I know, Test.pm is a core module. Indeed, hooray! So when can we expect a port of Rosetta? ;-) Sam.

Re: Logic Programming with Rules (and Argument Patterns)

2005-03-09 Thread Ovid
--- Rod Adams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I was just relaying the observation that the P6RE was fairly close to > being able to implement Logical Programming, which several people > seem to be trying to get into Perl in some fashion or another. When I get a chance to talk to someone about logic p

Re: Logic Programming with Rules (and Argument Patterns)

2005-03-09 Thread Rod Adams
Larry Wall wrote: I suspect it's another one of the many things we just try to stay within hailing distance of without trying to solve for 6.0.0. That's cool. I was just relaying the observation that the P6RE was fairly close to being able to implement Logical Programming, which several people

Re: MMD as an object.

2005-03-09 Thread Rod Adams
Larry Wall wrote: On Wed, Mar 09, 2005 at 06:19:25AM -0600, Rod Adams wrote: : I was thinking more along the lines of : : :use MMD::Pattern; : :our &func is MMD::Pattern; : :multi func (...) {...} :multi func (... ...) {...} :multi func (... ... ...) {...} : :multi func2

Re: some misc Perl 6 questions

2005-03-09 Thread Darren Duncan
At 10:03 AM -0800 3/9/05, Larry Wall wrote: On Wed, Mar 09, 2005 at 06:51:43PM +0100, Thomas Sandlaß wrote: : Larry Wall wrote: : >and it seems to me that you could simplify all that to just : > : >subtype KeyName of Str where { m/^\w+$/ } : > : >If that succeeds, you know it's defined and non-

[perl #34391] [TODO] thr-primes.imc should not use PerlUndef

2005-03-09 Thread via RT
# New Ticket Created by Bernhard Schmalhofer # Please include the string: [perl #34391] # in the subject line of all future correspondence about this issue. # https://rt.perl.org/rt3/Ticket/Display.html?id=34391 > Hi, the example 'thr-primes.imc' should not use the PerlUndef PMC, as the Perl

Re: Logic Programming with Rules (and Argument Patterns)

2005-03-09 Thread Larry Wall
On Wed, Mar 09, 2005 at 08:56:22AM -0700, Luke Palmer wrote: : I was decently insane last night. This generator stuff probably isn't : going anywhere. It's too abstract, and not precise enough, to be a : truly powerful part of the language. I suspect it's another one of the many things we just t

Re: MMD as an object.

2005-03-09 Thread Larry Wall
On Wed, Mar 09, 2005 at 06:19:25AM -0600, Rod Adams wrote: : I was thinking more along the lines of : : :use MMD::Pattern; : :our &func is MMD::Pattern; : :multi func (...) {...} :multi func (... ...) {...} :multi func (... ... ...) {...} : :multi func2 (...) {...} :

Re: splat operator and context

2005-03-09 Thread Larry Wall
On Wed, Mar 09, 2005 at 12:22:37PM +0100, Juerd wrote: : > my $a = [EMAIL PROTECTED]; : > my $a = *(1,2,3); # or is this a syntax error? : > my $a = *(list 1,2,3); : > my $a = *[1,2,3]; : : I hope this will emit some kind of too-many-arguments warning in : addition to assigning 1 to $a. N

Re: some misc Perl 6 questions

2005-03-09 Thread Larry Wall
On Wed, Mar 09, 2005 at 06:51:43PM +0100, Thomas Sandlaß wrote: : Larry Wall wrote: : >and it seems to me that you could simplify all that to just : > : >subtype KeyName of Str where { m/^\w+$/ } : > : >If that succeeds, you know it's defined and non-null. : : My view is that typing strings by

Re: Decorating Objects with Roles (was Re: Optional binding)

2005-03-09 Thread Larry Wall
On Tue, Mar 08, 2005 at 05:49:54PM -0800, chromatic wrote: : On Tue, 2005-03-08 at 17:39 -0800, Larry Wall wrote: : : > On Tue, Mar 08, 2005 at 03:23:14PM -0800, chromatic wrote: : : > : I could make the argument that it should be possible to decorate an : > : object with a role. If that means g

Re: some misc Perl 6 questions

2005-03-09 Thread Thomas Sandlaß
Larry Wall wrote: and it seems to me that you could simplify all that to just subtype KeyName of Str where { m/^\w+$/ } If that succeeds, you know it's defined and non-null. My view is that typing strings by means of patterns should always exhaust the string as the above pattern does. I can ima

Re: List constructors

2005-03-09 Thread Larry Wall
On Wed, Mar 09, 2005 at 05:56:25PM +0200, wolverian wrote: : Hi all, : : reading [AS]02 left me a bit unclear on list construction. Specifically, : as comma still seems to be the list constructor, what do these produce: : : my $a = (1, 2); # a List object of 1, 2? Same as my $a

Re: MMD as an object.

2005-03-09 Thread Thomas SandlaÃ
Luke Palmer wrote: Keep in mind that the two following definitions are equivalent: class A { method foo () {...} } multi sub foo (A $a) {...} Except for attribute access, I think. For public attrs the accessor is not used and private ones are available: class A { has $.pub = "pub"; ha

Re: Comma in (sub) traits?

2005-03-09 Thread Larry Wall
On Wed, Mar 09, 2005 at 09:13:27AM -0800, Larry Wall wrote: : sub foo ( Int $bar where { $_ == 0 } ){ ... } Well, I'm not sure about that syntax. It might have to be either sub foo ( Int where { $_ == 0 } $bar ){ ... } or sub foo ( $bar of Int where { $_ == 0 } $bar ){

Re: Comma in (sub) traits?

2005-03-09 Thread Larry Wall
On Wed, Mar 09, 2005 at 02:15:56PM +0200, wolverian wrote: : On Mon, Mar 07, 2005 at 08:40:19AM -0800, Larry Wall wrote: : > Here are some alternatives you don't seem to have considered: : : [...] : : > my Str sub greeting (Str $person) is export { : > "Hello, $person"; : > } : >

Re: some misc Perl 6 questions

2005-03-09 Thread Larry Wall
On Tue, Mar 08, 2005 at 10:29:30PM -0800, Darren Duncan wrote: : The biggest change is that, upon a re-reading Synopsis 12 (and 9) : that was inspired by your above comment, I created some subtypes : which I now use everywhere; the declarations and some examples of use : are: : : subtype KeyN

List constructors

2005-03-09 Thread wolverian
Hi all, reading [AS]02 left me a bit unclear on list construction. Specifically, as comma still seems to be the list constructor, what do these produce: my $a = (1, 2); # a List object of 1, 2? my $a = (1); # Int 1? my $a = (1,); # List of 1? my ($a)

Another task for the interested - t/pmc/pmc.t

2005-03-09 Thread Leopold Toetsch
The test file t/pmc/pmc.t is full of Perl* tests. These should be factored out into t/pmc/perl*.t. The file itself should contain just common PMC functionality tests, like the range or type checks. Thanks, leo

Re: MMD as an object.

2005-03-09 Thread Luke Palmer
Rod Adams writes: > I wasn't intending it to be junctive. I was just noting that you needed > separate holders for subs and methods, since you shouldn't be able to > stuff a method into a multi sub. Keep in mind that the two following definitions are equivalent: class A { method foo () {...

Re: Logic Programming with Rules (and Argument Patterns)

2005-03-09 Thread Luke Palmer
Rod Adams writes: > > > >You could do all of this with a library of rules. > > > > / $:= )> / > > > > > I don't think this does what I want. In this, &generate returns a rule > or string of some kind, matches the string being tested, captures what > matches, and then binds the capture to $.

Re: splat operator and context

2005-03-09 Thread Luke Palmer
Aldo Calpini writes: > my @a = [1,2,3]; # or does it make @a[0] = (1,2,3)? Yes, @a[0] = [1,2,3]; > and I have absolutely no clue about the following: > > my *$a = @a; > my *$a = [EMAIL PROTECTED]; > my *$a = (1,2,3); > my *$a = [1,2,3]; Those are all illegal. You need to use binding

Re: some misc Perl 6 questions

2005-03-09 Thread David Storrs
On Tue, Mar 08, 2005 at 10:29:30PM -0800, Darren Duncan wrote: > [...] > > By using subtypes in this way, I could remove a lot of explicit input > checking code from my methods, which is great. Also, the "where > clause" is not being repeated for every argument or attribute or > variable decla

Strings - takers wanted

2005-03-09 Thread Leopold Toetsch
1) ICU should be optional If configured --without-icu the Makefile shouldn't contain ICU stuff, and function calls to ICU (mainly in string_primitives) should be wrapped inside #if PARROT_HAS_ICU. 2) complete src/encoding.c encoding registering, lookup, deinit, and opcodes can follow the scheme

Re: error using gcov2perl

2005-03-09 Thread Manish Sapariya
My apologies. The error is at line 390. [EMAIL PROTECTED] src]$ cover Reading database from /home/manishs/CodeCoverage/tcpflow-0.21/src/cover_db Argument "\x{2f}\x{30}..." isn't numeric in addition (+) at /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.0/i386-linux-thread-multi/Devel/Cover/DB.pm line 390. I was tr

Re: splat operator and context

2005-03-09 Thread Aldo Calpini
Juerd wrote: my @a = 1,2,3; my $a = 1,2,3; These are (my @a = 1), 2, 3; (my $a = 1), 2, 3; if I understand precedence correctly. (S03) right, sure. I vaguely remember something about comma instead of parens being the list constructor, but maybe it was just in my fantasy. and thanks for

Re: Comma in (sub) traits?

2005-03-09 Thread wolverian
On Mon, Mar 07, 2005 at 08:40:19AM -0800, Larry Wall wrote: > Here are some alternatives you don't seem to have considered: [...] > my Str sub greeting (Str $person) is export { > "Hello, $person"; > } > > my Str > sub greeting (Str $person) is export { > "Hello,

Re: [perl #xxxxx] [PATCH] garbage characters in a comment

2005-03-09 Thread Robert
Indeed curious. The first version was the gzip file, but utf8 encoded. Double weird that it would only happen once. Did you do it the same way both times, Jarkko?

Re: error using gcov2perl

2005-03-09 Thread Paul Johnson
On Wed, Mar 09, 2005 at 05:16:31PM +0530, Manish Sapariya wrote: > Hi, > I am getting following error when I try to convert my gcov output files > to Devel::Cover output format. > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] src]$ cover > Reading database from /home/manishs/tcpflow-0.21/src/cover_db > Argument "\x{2f}\x{

Re: MMD as an object.

2005-03-09 Thread Rod Adams
Thomas Sandlaß wrote: Rod Adams wrote: It seems to me that there are several advantages to making a group of multi with the same short name a single object, of type MultiSub|MultiMethod, which internally holds references to the all the various routines that share that short name. It doesn't hav

Re: Logic Programming with Rules (and Argument Patterns)

2005-03-09 Thread Rod Adams
Luke Palmer wrote: Rod Adams writes: Or you could avoid the global modifier and write your tests in <( )> blocks instead... after all, that's what it's there for. I *knew* I had seen a syntax for that before... I just didn't see it when I scanned S05 for it. I still want the :z modifier for

error using gcov2perl

2005-03-09 Thread Manish Sapariya
Hi, I am getting following error when I try to convert my gcov output files to Devel::Cover output format. [EMAIL PROTECTED] src]$ cover Reading database from /home/manishs/tcpflow-0.21/src/cover_db Argument "\x{2f}\x{30}..." isn't numeric in addition (+) at /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.0/i386-lin

Re: MMD as an object.

2005-03-09 Thread Thomas Sandlaß
Rod Adams wrote: It seems to me that there are several advantages to making a group of multi with the same short name a single object, of type MultiSub|MultiMethod, which internally holds references to the all the various routines that share that short name. It doesn't have to be junctive becaus

Re: splat operator and context

2005-03-09 Thread Juerd
Aldo Calpini skribis 2005-03-09 12:12 (+0100): > my @a = 1,2,3; > my $a = 1,2,3; These are (my @a = 1), 2, 3; (my $a = 1), 2, 3; if I understand precedence correctly. (S03) > my $a = [EMAIL PROTECTED]; > my $a = *(1,2,3); # or is this a syntax error? > my $a = *(list 1,2,3); >

splat operator and context

2005-03-09 Thread Aldo Calpini
I was trying to implement unary * (list flatten or "splat" operator) in pugs yesterday, and I came to the conclusion that I really don't grok how context works in Perl6 (I also really don't grok Haskell, but this is another story...). if I understand correctly, all these are equivalents: my @

Re: Argument Patterns

2005-03-09 Thread Thomas SandlaÃ
HaloO Luke, you wrote: [..] The *method* is the one that knows everything, not the object. So definitions on subtypes of general types only check for those subtypes when dispatching to the methods defined in them. I stand corrected. Lax usage of Any is fair. Defining subtypes of general types and

Re: some misc Perl 6 questions

2005-03-09 Thread Brent 'Dax' Royal-Gordon
Darren Duncan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > A question: Would "has PkgNameArray @.tmpl_set_nms;" do what I > expect, where the array as a whole is the sub-type, or would it make > an array where each element is the sub-type? I think this declares an array of PkgNameArrays, but "has @.tmpl_set_nms i

Re: Argument Patterns

2005-03-09 Thread Luke Palmer
Thomas Sandlaà writes: > Luke Palmer wrote: > >But we always have enough knowledge to optimize the hell out of this, > >and they're not not handwavy "we can probably" optimizations. They're > >real, and they're pretty darn easy. > > I fully agree. But I like to add that a single 'where' on genera

Re: Logic Programming with Rules (and Argument Patterns)

2005-03-09 Thread Luke Palmer
Rod Adams writes: > Indeed, a great deal of logical testing can be performed with the > current P6RE definition. > > For instance: > >rule Equal ($x, $y) {{ $x ~~ $y or fail }}; >rule Substr (Str $str, Str $in) {{ $in ~~ /<$str>/ or fail }}; >rule IsAbsValue (Num $x, Num $y) { >

Re: Argument Patterns

2005-03-09 Thread Thomas SandlaÃ
Luke Palmer wrote: But we always have enough knowledge to optimize the hell out of this, and they're not not handwavy "we can probably" optimizations. They're real, and they're pretty darn easy. I fully agree. But I like to add that a single 'where' on general types like Int, Str or even Any can s

Re: Argument Patterns

2005-03-09 Thread Luke Palmer
Leopold Toetsch writes: > Luke Palmer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > I think we should replace our multimethod system with a more general > > pattern matcher, a "variadic multimethod" system of sorts. Multimethods > > need to be variadic anyway, because we want pugs's quicksort example to > > w

Re: [Parrot 0.1.2] examples/assembly/ncurses_life.imc error

2005-03-09 Thread Leopold Toetsch
Matt Diephouse <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Here's a first pass at that. I've changed it to: >- make use of the shortcuts for calling subroutines >- use ".sub" >- use ".local" Thanks, applied. leo

Re: Argument Patterns

2005-03-09 Thread Leopold Toetsch
Luke Palmer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I think we should replace our multimethod system with a more general > pattern matcher, a "variadic multimethod" system of sorts. Multimethods > need to be variadic anyway, because we want pugs's quicksort example to > work. I'd not say replace. The dispa

Logic Programming with Rules

2005-03-09 Thread Rod Adams
There's been rumblings on this list lately about making Perl perform more Logic based programming functions, a la Prolog. Having done some work with Prolog in academia, I fully understand why this is desirable. It occurs to me that underlying functionality of Prolog is moderately similar to the P6R