On Wed, Sep 27, 2000 at 09:31:59PM -0400, Bennett Todd wrote:
> How so? Seems to run straightforward comparable stuff a bit quicker
> than perl; doesn't seem to take any more effort to express a good
> many things.
This is becoming off topic; I have an interview with Matz regarding his
thoughts a
On Wed, Sep 27, 2000 at 10:09:40PM -0400, Bennett Todd wrote:
> I think we proponents of this RFC believe it may well make _some_
> things easier, with the implementation of perl6 being among them.
Could you explain how this would make the implementation of Perl 6 easier?
I *really* can't see tha
At 07:03 PM 9/27/00 -0700, Randal L. Schwartz wrote:
>So, I'd be happy to make everything an object under three conditions:
>
>1) it doesn't interfere with *optimized* language constructs for
>the most common tasks
If it goes in it won't.
>2) it isn't being put in just to satisfy some theory tha
> > So, I'd be happy to make everything an object under three conditions:
> >
> > 1) it doesn't interfere with *optimized* language constructs for
> > the most common tasks
> >
> > 2) it isn't being put in just to satisfy some theory that making
> > everything an object will make everything easier
2000-09-27-22:03:19 Randal L. Schwartz:
> So, I'd be happy to make everything an object under three conditions:
>
> 1) it doesn't interfere with *optimized* language constructs for
> the most common tasks
>
> 2) it isn't being put in just to satisfy some theory that making
> everything an object
> "Michael" == Michael Fowler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Michael> If $str = "foo" and m/foo/ are somehow magical objects,
Michael> that's fine, as long as it doesn't impact my not wanting to
Michael> use them as objects. That'd be some feat, but if you can
Michael> manage it, more power to
2000-09-27-21:53:34 Michael Fowler:
> You can ask "why?" (or "why not?") until you're blue in the face,
> and the question would still be valid. He just doesn't want to,
> nor do I.
We may have a misunderstanding here about what "it" is.
> If $str = "foo" and m/foo/ are somehow magical objects,
On Wed, Sep 27, 2000 at 09:36:43PM -0400, Bennett Todd wrote:
> > I don't want text to become an object. I don't want numbers to become
> > an object. I don't want to create object regular expressions to call
> > a method on text objects to return back a success object to test with
> > the contr
2000-09-27-17:37:07 Randal L. Schwartz:
> f I want a language where everything is an object, I know
> where to find it.
If the only excuse for tossing this is some kind of gut revulsion
towards objects, I sure hope the RFC doesn't get withdrawn, and the
folks with that revulsion take some tummy m
2000-09-27-15:19:23 Simon Cozens:
> On Wed, Sep 27, 2000 at 03:17:01PM -0400, Bennett Todd wrote:
> > I'd cite ruby as an indication that it shouldn't have to inflict any
> > performance hit
>
> *boggle*. That's classic. Ruby *is* a performance hit.
How so? Seems to run straightforward comparabl
At 02:37 PM 9/27/00 -0700, Randal L. Schwartz wrote:
>Seconded. If I want a language where everything is an object, I know
>where to find it. When I hack Perl, I want things to be optimized for
>those "90% text, 10% something else" problems that Perl so well fills.
>I don't want text to become
> "Simon" == Simon Cozens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Simon> On Wed, Sep 27, 2000 at 12:53:49PM -0700, Matt Youell wrote:
>> > It doesn't feel right to me. It doesn't feel Perlish.
>> That's it?
Simon> That isn't enough? Christ, man, this is Perl we're talking about. If Perl
Simon> isn't Per
On Wed, Sep 27, 2000 at 12:53:49PM -0700, Matt Youell wrote:
> > It doesn't feel right to me. It doesn't feel Perlish.
> That's it?
That isn't enough? Christ, man, this is Perl we're talking about. If Perl
isn't Perlish, something is wrong.
--
!07/11 PDP a ni deppart m'I !pleH
> On Wed, Sep 27, 2000 at 12:16:36PM -0700, Matt Youell wrote:
> > I open to hearing your reasons. The biggest reason it wasn't withdrawn
is
> > because someone said "hey don't do that, here's why". So give me a "why"
> > already...
>
> It doesn't feel right to me. It doesn't feel Perlish.
>
That
On Wed, Sep 27, 2000 at 12:43:45PM -0700, Nathan Wiger wrote:
> As list chair, I ask either:
>1. The people discussing this clarify themselves
>2. The people discussing this please drop it
Ho hum. You've heard, I believe, my arguments now. I'm happy to drop the
matter, since it seems a ri
> On Wed, Sep 27, 2000 at 12:31:25PM -0700, Matt Youell wrote:
> > Would something less esoteric like Javascript be a better comparison?
>
> Not really. Perl and JavaScript have very little in common, despite what
> members of this list would like to do.
>
I wasn't suggesting that Javascr
Simon Cozens wrote:
>
> Not really. Perl and JavaScript have very little in common, despite what
> members of this list would like to do.
One of the big problems with this current discussion is nobody on either
side (RFC included) is providing any specifics as to how this could
potentially work.
On Wed, Sep 27, 2000 at 12:16:36PM -0700, Matt Youell wrote:
> I open to hearing your reasons. The biggest reason it wasn't withdrawn is
> because someone said "hey don't do that, here's why". So give me a "why"
> already...
It doesn't feel right to me. It doesn't feel Perlish.
--
It took the c
On Wed, Sep 27, 2000 at 12:31:25PM -0700, Matt Youell wrote:
> Would something less esoteric like Javascript be a better comparison?
Not really. Perl and JavaScript have very little in common, despite what
members of this list would like to do.
--
DEC diagnostics would run on a dead whale.
On Wed, Sep 27, 2000 at 03:17:01PM -0400, Bennett Todd wrote:
>> I'd cite ruby as an indication that it shouldn't have to inflict any
>> performance hit
>*boggle*. That's classic. Ruby *is* a performance hit.
Would something less esoteric like Javascript be a better comparison?
Matt
On Wed, Sep 27, 2000 at 03:17:01PM -0400, Bennett Todd wrote:
> I'd cite ruby as an indication that it shouldn't have to inflict any
> performance hit
*boggle*. That's classic. Ruby *is* a performance hit.
--
Within a computer, natural language is unnatural.
> On Wed, Sep 27, 2000 at 09:53:03AM -0700, Matt Youell wrote:
> > Ok, no fair sniping after a freeze. You were warned. It's called email,
> > people! Use it. Jeez...
>
> Never too late to withdraw, sir. [1] The less crap we make Larry wade
through,
> the better.
I open to hearing your reasons.
2000-09-27-15:08:10 Simon Cozens:
> Never too late to withdraw, sir. [1] The less crap we make Larry
> wade through, the better.
Regarding the specific issue at hand, could you please offer
something more specific than "you'd like it withdrawn"? Is there a
reason why it's impossible to implement
On Wed, Sep 27, 2000 at 09:53:03AM -0700, Matt Youell wrote:
> Ok, no fair sniping after a freeze. You were warned. It's called email,
> people! Use it. Jeez...
Never too late to withdraw, sir. [1] The less crap we make Larry wade through,
the better.
[1] Well, up until the pregnancy, I guess.
> > On Wed, Sep 27, 2000 at 05:25:28AM -, Perl6 RFC Librarian wrote:
> > > Not an awful lot was said once this RFC was condensed down to
"Everything
> > > becomes an object". I believe some implementation and conceptual
hurdles
> > > exist which have discouraged more serious discussion. At the
2000-09-27-05:28:01 Piers Cawley:
> Simon Cozens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > On Wed, Sep 27, 2000 at 05:25:28AM -, Perl6 RFC Librarian wrote:
> > > At the suggestion of others I've opted to freeze rather than
> > > withdraw.
> >
> > How might I persuade you to reconsider?
>
> I was kind
Simon Cozens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> On Wed, Sep 27, 2000 at 05:25:28AM -, Perl6 RFC Librarian wrote:
> > Not an awful lot was said once this RFC was condensed down to "Everything
> > becomes an object". I believe some implementation and conceptual hurdles
> > exist which have discourag
On Wed, Sep 27, 2000 at 05:25:28AM -, Perl6 RFC Librarian wrote:
> Not an awful lot was said once this RFC was condensed down to "Everything
> becomes an object". I believe some implementation and conceptual hurdles
> exist which have discouraged more serious discussion. At the suggestion of
>
This and other RFCs are available on the web at
http://dev.perl.org/rfc/
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Everything in Perl becomes an object.
=head1 VERSION
Maintainer: Matt Youell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 25 Aug 2000
Last Modified: 26 Sep 2000
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