Re: Meta-design

2000-12-05 Thread Dan Sugalski
At 11:12 PM 12/5/00 -0500, Bradley M. Kuhn wrote: >Simon Cozens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Of the suggestions that have been advanced so far, four are worthy of > > more consideration: C, C++, Java and a specially-designed Perl > > Implementation Language. (PIL) > > > Java is portable and giv

Re: Markup wars (was Re: Proposal for groups)

2000-12-05 Thread Nathan Torkington
Bennett Todd writes: > Would you accept a restatement of: as long as whatever it is can be > translated into a common format, we can work with it, and the > composition of the actual words is far more important than niggling > over choices in preferred markup style? Sure, but that begs the questi

Re: Meta-design

2000-12-05 Thread Nathan Torkington
Bradley M. Kuhn writes: > > Java is portable and gives us OO, but it's slow and ugly. > > I am probably the biggest proponent of the "use Java to implement Perl" > camp. Java is only somewhat portable. > One concern that I have about the data structure design thus far (and I > believe I wrote a

Re: Meta-design

2000-12-05 Thread Bradley M. Kuhn
Simon Cozens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Patches welcome. Well, this isn't a patch, but if you really meant patches literally and not figuratively, I can provide one if you let me know. ;) > Of the suggestions that have been advanced so far, four are worthy of > more consideration: C, C++, J

Meta-design

2000-12-05 Thread Simon Cozens
Patches welcome. =head1 Introduction This is not a design document; it's a meta-design document - that is, it tells us what things we need to design, the things we need to consider during the design process of the Perl 6 internals. It's completely unofficial, it's completely my opinion, it's me

Markup wars (was Re: Proposal for groups)

2000-12-05 Thread Bennett Todd
2000-12-05-13:02:56 Nathan Torkington: > I say that the person who *does* the work deserves the right to > choose what format it is in. So long as we can make navigable > webpages out of it, that person can write on a Commodore 64 for > all I care. Would you accept a restatement of: as long as wh

Re: Proposal for groups

2000-12-05 Thread Nathan Torkington
Simon Cozens writes: > Yes, we should really postpone the inevitable markup language war until > we have something to mark up. You channeled my very thoughts, Simon. I say that the person who *does* the work deserves the right to choose what format it is in. So long as we can make navigable web

Re: Proposal for groups

2000-12-05 Thread Chaim Frenkel
> "BMK" == Bradley M Kuhn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: BMK> If we do this, please also make BMK> or something like that, which is a list that simply redistributes BMK> mail from to its subscribers. In other BMK> words, only post would go there, but no BMK> subscriber could post. Just be c

Re: Proposal for groups

2000-12-05 Thread Sam Tregar
On Tue, 5 Dec 2000, Alan Burlison wrote: > How about writing the documents in XML and having a 'perl specification' > DTD? > ... > Death to POD! Can we *please* not re-fight this war? I know you remember the last couple incarnations of XML VS POD. Just replay them in your mind and enjoy the sh

Re: Proposal for groups

2000-12-05 Thread Jarkko Hietaniemi
On Tue, Dec 05, 2000 at 10:23:46AM +, Tim Bunce wrote: > On Tue, Dec 05, 2000 at 09:20:29AM +, Simon Cozens wrote: > > On Tue, Dec 05, 2000 at 09:16:23AM +, Alan Burlison wrote: > > > I still think that with the correct > > > DTD writing the specs in XML would be doable. > > > > DocB

Re: Proposal for groups

2000-12-05 Thread Alan Burlison
Simon Cozens wrote: > > I still think that with the correct > > DTD writing the specs in XML would be doable. > > DocBook strikes me as being made for this sort of thing. Yak! no. DocBook is for specifying published document layout and is pretty huge - far too weighty for what we want. I'm th

Re: Proposal for groups

2000-12-05 Thread Simon Cozens
On Tue, Dec 05, 2000 at 10:23:46AM +, Tim Bunce wrote: > As someone who had the option of writing a book in DocBook or POD > I can tell you that it simply would not have happened in DocBook. Horses for courses. My next book is going to be in DocBook, and I do a bunch of documentation in it e

Re: Proposal for groups

2000-12-05 Thread Tim Bunce
On Tue, Dec 05, 2000 at 09:20:29AM +, Simon Cozens wrote: > On Tue, Dec 05, 2000 at 09:16:23AM +, Alan Burlison wrote: > > I still think that with the correct > > DTD writing the specs in XML would be doable. > > DocBook strikes me as being made for this sort of thing. As someone who ha

Re: Proposal for groups

2000-12-05 Thread Simon Cozens
On Tue, Dec 05, 2000 at 09:16:23AM +, Alan Burlison wrote: > I still think that with the correct > DTD writing the specs in XML would be doable. DocBook strikes me as being made for this sort of thing. -- Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored. -- Aldous Huxle

Re: Proposal for groups

2000-12-05 Thread Alan Burlison
Adam Turoff wrote: > > Say What? > Say XML - ex em ell :-) > We need a better POD, not a cumbersome machine-to-machine interchange > format for writing docs. The main problem with POD is that we have to write the tools to do anything with it. Witness the endless hacking/cursing/hacking/curs

Re: Proposal for groups

2000-12-05 Thread Adam Turoff
On Tue, Dec 05, 2000 at 08:21:23AM +, Alan Burlison wrote: > How about writing the documents in XML and having a 'perl specification' > DTD? With a bit of careful thought we will be able to do all sorts of > interesting stuff - for example if we tag function definitions we can > start cross-c

Re: Proposal for groups

2000-12-05 Thread Alan Burlison
Nathan Torkington wrote: > Alan Burlison writes: > > seem a very optimal way to go about it. How about a design document > > (format to be decided) and a 'design + commentary' document which is the > > design document with the condensed email discussion inserted into it as > > the commentary. T

Re: Proposal for groups

2000-12-05 Thread Alan Burlison
-- Adam Turoff wrote: > Are you asking for a Design Document (tm) to be published/updated > along with an Annotated Design Document (tm)? Sounds like what Tim > Bray did for the XML Spec at http://www.xml.com/axml/testaxml.htm. Wow - I hadn't seen that - neat. I expect this was generated by wr