Re: RFC 357 (v1) Perl should use XML for documentation instead of POD

2000-10-05 Thread Nathan Torkington
It's time for the XML vs POD discussion to end. The RFCs are in limbo now, and this conversation is serving no visible purpose. Thanks, Nat

Re: RFC 357 (v2) Perl should use XML for documentation instead of POD

2000-10-05 Thread Glenn Linderman
Simon Cozens wrote: > (Incidentally, has anyone noticed that John Porter and I appear to have > *completely* different opinions about *everything*?) Good thing you're both on the committee... O O < \/ -- Glenn = Even if you're on the right track, you'll get run over if you j

Re: RFC 357 (v2) Perl should use XML for documentation instead of POD

2000-10-05 Thread Simon Cozens
On Thu, Oct 05, 2000 at 04:53:00PM -0400, John Porter wrote: > May I point out that "the camel was designed by committee"*, too? The camel was certainly not, and this Camel isn't going to be either.[1] > Really, I'd like to see this Designed By Committee Considered Harmful > myth put to rest. I

Re: RFC 357 (v2) Perl should use XML for documentation instead of POD

2000-10-05 Thread John Porter
Peter Scott wrote: > > 'rewrite' is not the same as 'design', fortunately. I fervently hope that > the language design will be the product only of ideas Larry either came up > with or agreed with; if we get into some voting scenario, that spells > doom. May I point out that COBOL was designe

Re: RFC 357 (v2) Perl should use XML for documentation instead of POD

2000-10-05 Thread Bart Lateur
On Thu, 05 Oct 2000 11:08:00 -0700, Peter Scott wrote: >May I point out that COBOL was designed by a committee. That ain't bad enough. Let me point out that we don't need another Ada or PL/1. -- Bart.

Re: RFC 357 (v2) Perl should use XML for documentation instead of POD

2000-10-05 Thread Uri Guttman
> "DS" == Dan Sugalski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: DS> bits of both systems so it all can be wedged into perl. I'd really DS> like to incorporate the good bits of VMS' async I/O and event DS> handling into perl, for example. hear! hear! as the author/maintainer of the event loop and as

Re: RFC 357 (v1) Perl should use XML for documentation instead of POD

2000-10-05 Thread Andrew Wilson
On Thu, Oct 05, 2000 at 11:47:46AM +0200, Philip Newton wrote: > On 4 Oct 2000, at 14:06, John Porter wrote: > > > I am of the opinion that any documentation which requires, or at least > > would significantly benefit from, the use of something heavy like SGML > > is best done OUTSIDE THE CODE.

Re: RFC 357 (v2) Perl should use XML for documentation instead of POD

2000-10-05 Thread Dan Sugalski
At 06:40 PM 10/5/00 +0100, Nicholas Clark wrote: >On Thu, Oct 05, 2000 at 01:38:18PM -0400, Dan Sugalski wrote: > > Perl 6 is going to be the community's rewrite. His design to start, but > > the community's rewrite. (The alternative is to have the thing be *my* > > rewrite, and I don't think we w

Re: RFC 357 (v2) Perl should use XML for documentation instead of POD

2000-10-05 Thread Dan Sugalski
At 11:08 AM 10/5/00 -0700, Peter Scott wrote: >At 01:38 PM 10/5/00 -0400, Dan Sugalski wrote: >>On Thu, 5 Oct 2000, John Porter wrote: >> >> > Peter Scott wrote: >> > > the idea is to be an extension of Larry's creative thinking >> > > process. Neither of us is deciding what goes into Perl 6, and

Re: RFC 357 (v2) Perl should use XML for documentation instead of POD

2000-10-05 Thread Peter Scott
At 01:38 PM 10/5/00 -0400, Dan Sugalski wrote: >On Thu, 5 Oct 2000, John Porter wrote: > > > Peter Scott wrote: > > > the idea is to be an extension of Larry's creative thinking > > > process. Neither of us is deciding what goes into Perl 6, and > neither is > > > the community - I hope. Larry

Re: RFC 357 (v1) Perl should use XML for documentation instead of POD

2000-10-05 Thread John Porter
Philip Newton wrote: > If the pod (or whatever) is in a > separate file, this advantage is lost. Of course; I'd *never* say that there should be NO documentation in the perl code file. That would be absurd. -- John Porter By pressing down a special key It plays a little melody

Re: RFC 357 (v2) Perl should use XML for documentation instead of POD

2000-10-05 Thread Nicholas Clark
On Thu, Oct 05, 2000 at 01:38:18PM -0400, Dan Sugalski wrote: > Perl 6 is going to be the community's rewrite. His design to start, but > the community's rewrite. (The alternative is to have the thing be *my* > rewrite, and I don't think we want that... :) Will no preprocessor symbols defined the

Re: RFC 357 (v2) Perl should use XML for documentation instead of POD

2000-10-05 Thread Adam Turoff
On Thu, Oct 05, 2000 at 01:17:27PM -0400, John Porter wrote: > RFCs are written to help Larry review the issues, > and present some new ones. [...] RFCs are part of our community library. All of the summarization that is done in the RFC process is done for our fearless leader, as well as for th

Re: RFC 357 (v2) Perl should use XML for documentation instead ofPOD

2000-10-05 Thread Dan Sugalski
On Thu, 5 Oct 2000, John Porter wrote: > Peter Scott wrote: > > the idea is to be an extension of Larry's creative thinking > > process. Neither of us is deciding what goes into Perl 6, and neither is > > the community - I hope. Larry is. > > Uh, then why did Larry say "perl 5 was my rewrite

Re: RFC 357 (v1) Perl should use XML for documentation instead of POD

2000-10-05 Thread Johan Vromans
Bart Lateur <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On 04 Oct 2000 18:43:43 +0200, Johan Vromans wrote: > > >POD is not suitable for producing books. It can be used, however, to > >provide the information that a (human) typesetter can turn into a > >printed book. > > If a typesetter knows enough with ju

Re: RFC 357 (v2) Perl should use XML for documentation instead of POD

2000-10-05 Thread John Porter
Peter Scott wrote: > > nor is any author obliged to include ideas he/she doesn't agree with; > that's why others can (or could) submit RFCs that contradict it, if they > want to. The author is no more obliged to include opposing opinions in > their RFC than the proposer of a bill in the House

Re: RFC 357 (v1) Perl should use XML for documentation instead of POD

2000-10-05 Thread Peter Buckingham
Philip Newton wrote: > On 4 Oct 2000, at 14:06, John Porter wrote: > > > I am of the opinion that any documentation which requires, or at least > > would significantly benefit from, the use of something heavy like SGML > > is best done OUTSIDE THE CODE. There's no reason you can't have > > docum

Re: RFC 357 (v1) Perl should use XML for documentation instead of POD

2000-10-05 Thread Philip Newton
On 4 Oct 2000, at 14:06, John Porter wrote: > I am of the opinion that any documentation which requires, or at least > would significantly benefit from, the use of something heavy like SGML > is best done OUTSIDE THE CODE. There's no reason you can't have > document files accompanying the perl