Re: identity tests and comparing two references

?! $bar = 1; # updates $foo $baz = 2; # does not update $foo IMO, :=: should not auto(de)reference. Juerd -- http://convolution.nl/maak_juerd_blij.html http://convolution.nl/make_juerd_happy.html http://convolution.nl/gajigu_juerd_n.html

Re: identity tests and comparing two references

Juerd skribis 2005-04-01 22:35 (+0200): $foo :=: $bar; # true $foo :=: $baz; # also true?! IMO, :=: should not auto(de)reference. s:g/:=:/=:=/ Juerd -- http://convolution.nl/maak_juerd_blij.html http://convolution.nl/make_juerd_happy.html http://convolution.nl/gajigu_juerd_n.html

Re: identity tests and comparing two references

Thomas Sandlaß skribis 2005-04-01 23:37 (+0200): Juerd wrote (with substitution applied): IMO, =:= should not auto(de)reference. So you expect $bar to contain value 2 and detach from $foo? No. But if you said $baz instead of $bar, then yes. How would one then reach the value in $foo

Re: identity tests and comparing two references

-references, it should be spelled =\= instead, although I really question the practical use of such operator. Juerd -- http://convolution.nl/maak_juerd_blij.html http://convolution.nl/make_juerd_happy.html http://convolution.nl/gajigu_juerd_n.html

+ or +

Bitshift, which one is it? + or + I believe only + is possible, because + has to be +«, but S03 is still inconsistent, and + comes up everywhere, including Brent's perl6op.txt. Can there please be a definitive answer, and an update to S03? Juerd -- http://convolution.nl

Re: identity tests and comparing two references

, Python, you would have to know how variables work in that language. Bluntly put, that'd suck. Juerd -- http://convolution.nl/maak_juerd_blij.html http://convolution.nl/make_juerd_happy.html http://convolution.nl/gajigu_juerd_n.html

:=: (OT)

For some reason, I keep typing :=: instead of =:=. Do other people experience similar typo-habits with new operators? One of my other Perl 6 typo-habits is ^H^Hargh!^H^H^H^H^H«, but that's because I like how « and » look, but can't yet easily type them. Juerd -- http://convolution.nl

Re: Second use of flattening

Terrence Brannon skribis 2005-04-04 18:45 (+): So, to avoid confusion with the common understanding of flattening in Perl, perhaps it should be called spreading or distributing. I agree. Likewise, slurping is probably best explained as collecting. Juerd -- http://convolution.nl

Re: Second use of flattening

for a matched pair? That's got a legacy in math, and some mathematically-oriented languages. It having meaning in maths is probably more a reason not to use, unless the meaning is identical enough. Juerd -- http://convolution.nl/maak_juerd_blij.html http://convolution.nl/make_juerd_happy.html

Re: Pugs Bug

wolverian skribis 2005-04-05 19:31 (+0300): Does [EMAIL PROTECTED] DWIM, by the way? I'm not sure about the precedence. Yes, . is supertight. Juerd -- http://convolution.nl/maak_juerd_blij.html http://convolution.nl/make_juerd_happy.html http://convolution.nl/gajigu_juerd_n.html

Re: identity tests and comparing two references

() is one of those contexts that forces a deref. The only way to call methods on the Ref itself is through var($ref), or whatever it's called today. This is weird. Juerd -- http://convolution.nl/maak_juerd_blij.html http://convolution.nl/make_juerd_happy.html http://convolution.nl

Re: identity tests and comparing two references

and Hash were subtypes (or whatever it's called) of Scalar, as Str and Num are, but then I'd start to want a non-Perl name for Perl 6 again, because the language would just not be Perl anymore. Juerd -- http://convolution.nl/maak_juerd_blij.html http://convolution.nl/make_juerd_happy.html http

Re: Aliasing swapped values

! I imagine that that has the same effect as ($x, $y) := ($y, $x); ($c, $d) := ($x, $y); Of which I wonder if it can be written as ($c, $d) := ($x, $y) := ($y, $x); Juerd -- http://convolution.nl/maak_juerd_blij.html http://convolution.nl/make_juerd_happy.html http://convolution.nl

Re: Whither use English?

David Vergin skribis 2005-04-11 9:44 (-0700): What's the word. Will there be something like use English? Yes, and it's the default :) Juerd -- http://convolution.nl/maak_juerd_blij.html http://convolution.nl/make_juerd_happy.html http://convolution.nl/gajigu_juerd_n.html

Re: Whither use English?

, with lots and lots of committers, because every one-man translation operation eventually dies. Juerd -- http://convolution.nl/maak_juerd_blij.html http://convolution.nl/make_juerd_happy.html http://convolution.nl/gajigu_juerd_n.html

Re: Whither use English?

in several languages (as a different project, so translation delays don't delay Perl releases)). Juerd -- http://convolution.nl/maak_juerd_blij.html http://convolution.nl/make_juerd_happy.html http://convolution.nl/gajigu_juerd_n.html

Re: Whither use English?

that isn't limited to any language. Juerd -- http://convolution.nl/maak_juerd_blij.html http://convolution.nl/make_juerd_happy.html http://convolution.nl/gajigu_juerd_n.html

Re: Whither use English?

medium for that. Juerd -- http://convolution.nl/maak_juerd_blij.html http://convolution.nl/make_juerd_happy.html http://convolution.nl/gajigu_juerd_n.html

Re: Whither use English?

Juerd skribis 2005-04-12 15:46 (+0200): Please note that I try to not think about who's going to implement it at all. That makes being creative and coming up with good ideas much, much easier. And to be honest, it makes coming up with bad ideas much easier than that even :) Juerd -- http

Re: trim() and words() functions?

, even between words. Handy :) trim would be nice though, because I miss BASIC's ltrim and rtrim. Perhaps those can be written as trim(:left) and trim(:right), abbreviated to trim :l and trim :r? Juerd -- http://convolution.nl/maak_juerd_blij.html http://convolution.nl/make_juerd_happy.html http

Re: subscripts are.... objects?

, SELECTing with ~~ is more useful: %hash{ IO::Socket | IO::File | 'foo' } %hash{ grep { %hash{$_}.does(IO::Socket|IO::File) || exists %hash{$_} }, %hash.keys } So, what's the important downside of all this? Juerd -- http://convolution.nl/maak_juerd_blij.html http://convolution.nl

Re: should we change [^a-z] to -[a..z] instead of -[a-z]?

then be everything except control characters. Handy! By the way, does ...5 mean -Inf..5? ;) Juerd -- http://convolution.nl/maak_juerd_blij.html http://convolution.nl/make_juerd_happy.html http://convolution.nl/gajigu_juerd_n.html

[] ugly and hard to type

its function. Is the beep thing used enough? (\cG still does that thing if \a is gone.) Juerd -- http://convolution.nl/maak_juerd_blij.html http://convolution.nl/make_juerd_happy.html http://convolution.nl/gajigu_juerd_n.html

Re: Truely temporary variables

actually dies. No, Ucfirst it can't be, I think. And ALLCAPS is ugly. @ is taken (and ugly). Suggestions? Juerd -- http://convolution.nl/maak_juerd_blij.html http://convolution.nl/make_juerd_happy.html http://convolution.nl/gajigu_juerd_n.html

Re: Truely temporary variables

; ok my $foo = foo $bar baz; # warn about $bar, but not the masking my $foo = ok foo $bar baz; # other way around Juerd -- http://convolution.nl/maak_juerd_blij.html http://convolution.nl/make_juerd_happy.html http://convolution.nl/gajigu_juerd_n.html

Re: Statement modifier scope

Paul Seamons skribis 2005-04-15 11:50 (-0600): my %h = a 1 b 2 c 3; { temp %h{$_} ++ for %h.keys; Just make that two lines. Is that so bad? temp %h; %h.values »++; %h.say; # values are incremented still } %h.say; # values are back to original values Juerd -- http

Re: Truely temporary variables

$sql = q{...}; Juerd -- http://convolution.nl/maak_juerd_blij.html http://convolution.nl/make_juerd_happy.html http://convolution.nl/gajigu_juerd_n.html

Re: Statement modifier scope

most. Juerd -- http://convolution.nl/maak_juerd_blij.html http://convolution.nl/make_juerd_happy.html http://convolution.nl/gajigu_juerd_n.html

Re: Statement modifier scope

would be the same with Perl6. Notice that 'b' is I'm imagining it will be different, as I expect temp to not hide the old thing. I'm not sure it will. Juerd -- http://convolution.nl/maak_juerd_blij.html http://convolution.nl/make_juerd_happy.html http://convolution.nl/gajigu_juerd_n.html

Re: Statement modifier scope

Paul Seamons skribis 2005-04-15 13:42 (-0600): Each of the declarations my, our and local currently set the value to undefined (unless set = to something). That's not true. use strict; $::foo = 5; our $foo; print $foo; # 5 Juerd -- http://convolution.nl

Re: $*CWD instead of chdir() and cwd()

be spelled dor. But it's too late for that, of course. Juerd -- http://convolution.nl/maak_juerd_blij.html http://convolution.nl/make_juerd_happy.html http://convolution.nl/gajigu_juerd_n.html

Heredocs: How equal are bunches of spaces to tabs?

Pasted from pugs/examples/cookbook/01-00introduction.p6: # XXX - question: How equal are bunches of spaces to tabs? # -- I'd say that's a question for perl6lang Juerd -- http://convolution.nl/maak_juerd_blij.html http://convolution.nl/make_juerd_happy.html http://convolution.nl

Re: nbsp in \s, ?ws and

Aaron Sherman skribis 2005-04-15 18:20 (-0400): Is there a ?ws-like thingy that is always \s+? Not sure what that means exactly. ?ws is \s* or \s+, depending on its surroundings. Thankfully, NBSP (U+00A0) is not Unicode whitespace. Thanks for sharing this information! Juerd -- http

Re: nbsp in \s, ?ws and

) to match any unicode whitespace, but letting it : match NBSP and then using \s for splitting things is wrong, I think. Perhaps the default word split should not be based on \s then. It'd have to. Juerd -- http://convolution.nl/maak_juerd_blij.html http://convolution.nl/make_juerd_happy.html http

Re: Quoting interpolation in Perl5 vs. Perl6

should go. I have never seen them used in serious programming, and if they present a problem with natural parsing, then why keep them around? Obfuscation is nice, but let's not design the language around that. Juerd -- http://convolution.nl/maak_juerd_blij.html http://convolution.nl

Re: [] ugly and hard to type

in Perl 5, which equals foo bar . Juerd -- http://convolution.nl/maak_juerd_blij.html http://convolution.nl/make_juerd_happy.html http://convolution.nl/gajigu_juerd_n.html

Re: Truely temporary variables

Aaron Sherman skribis 2005-04-17 18:23 (-0400): On Fri, 2005-04-15 at 18:04 +0200, Juerd wrote: throwawaytmpvar $sql = q{...}; throwawaytmpvar $sql = q{...}; I like the idea and propose a, aliased an for this. Too short. There is a rule of thumb, I don't know who came up

Re: Closure/block/sub multiplier /// Win32 module for Perl6

be done using map: 1..5 == map { get_next($_) } == @names; or of course @names = map { get_next($_) }, 1..5; The XX was proposed mainly because the 1..5 part of map often does not make sense as a range, and in those cases you just abuse it for repetition. Juerd -- http

Re: Closure/block/sub multiplier /// Win32 module for Perl6

Juerd skribis 2005-04-20 19:09 (+0200): I'm not sure the XX thing will happen, but if it does, it'd be most useful if it wouldn't treat a sub call differently. I forgot rationale. It shouldn't treat a sub call differently, so that a called sub can in a useful manner return a closure, which

Re: Fwd: Re: embedding languages in Perl 6

/ { say $_.id ~ ' - ' ~ $_.value; } What is the benefit of this syntax over having a simple function that takes one argument, interpolating variables from CALLER::? for sql 'SELECT * FROM table WHERE id=$id' { ... } Juerd -- http://convolution.nl/maak_juerd_blij.html http

Re: Closure/block/sub multiplier /// Win32 module for Perl6

with a non-readonly undef ;) (This is something I can recommend to anyone: redefining true, false and undef leads to very spectacular code, where anything's possible, and defined(undef) can be a true that stringifies as false.) Juerd -- http://convolution.nl/maak_juerd_blij.html http

Re: Closure/block/sub multiplier /// Win32 module for Perl6

Larry Wall skribis 2005-04-20 11:54 (-0700): goto(join , L, { rand 10 } XX rand 10); By the way -- Does this mean the XX operator is official now? And what about X? It'd let you write the same thing without the join: goto(L ~ { rand 10 } X rand 10) Juerd -- http://convolution.nl

Re: Quick question: parens vs subroutine parameter

)? Same thing, as the inner comma is still in scalar context. However, with list context, I expect things to flatten, so with a signature of [EMAIL PROTECTED], it puts 5 elements in @_. Juerd -- http://convolution.nl/maak_juerd_blij.html http://convolution.nl/make_juerd_happy.html http

Re: Inline code (was: Closure/block/sub multiplier)

with pairs, but these words don't make good identifier names. Can something like this be done without resorting to macros with hard to construct regexes? Juerd -- http://convolution.nl/maak_juerd_blij.html http://convolution.nl/make_juerd_happy.html http://convolution.nl/gajigu_juerd_n.html

Re: Quick question: parens vs subroutine parameter

exactly is the difference between Scalar and Any? Juerd -- http://convolution.nl/maak_juerd_blij.html http://convolution.nl/make_juerd_happy.html http://convolution.nl/gajigu_juerd_n.html

Re: default values for attributive parameters

; Juerd -- http://convolution.nl/maak_juerd_blij.html http://convolution.nl/make_juerd_happy.html http://convolution.nl/gajigu_juerd_n.html

Re: Unify cwd() [was: Re: $*CWD instead of chdir() and cwd()]

, there are all the other forms of open and open parameters. Just for the record, that's spelled $fh = open $file in Perl 6. Juerd -- http://convolution.nl/maak_juerd_blij.html http://convolution.nl/make_juerd_happy.html http://convolution.nl/gajigu_juerd_n.html

Re: -X's auto-(un)quoting?

library function that accepts a filename automatically also accepts an open filehandle, which has a thousand and one benefits. Juerd -- http://convolution.nl/maak_juerd_blij.html http://convolution.nl/make_juerd_happy.html http://convolution.nl/gajigu_juerd_n.html

Re: Accepted abbreviations

Aaron Sherman skribis 2005-04-22 10:00 (-0400): On Fri, 2005-04-22 at 07:46, Juerd wrote: Can we together compile a list of accepted abbreviations, so they can be consistently applied? Are you suggesting that these are accepted by the compiler or by us (for discussion)? By us. Mostly

Re: Accepted abbreviations

Juerd skribis 2005-04-22 16:11 (+0200): Those are for identifiers, so we don't end up with one function using :r and another using :read. That'd be inconsistent. Although readline should not be made rline, and I still think both :r and :read should work! Bool +$read is shortr

Re: -X's auto-(un)quoting?

|/... or the awful MSIE variant file://c:\foo\bar. But I guess it's safe to treat single-letter schemes as Win32/DOS volumes, as there are no single-letter URI schemes. Juerd -- http://convolution.nl/maak_juerd_blij.html http://convolution.nl/make_juerd_happy.html http://convolution.nl/gajigu_juerd_n.html

Re: -X's auto-(un)quoting?

replies). Why were you just kidding? I think it's a great idea. Juerd -- http://convolution.nl/maak_juerd_blij.html http://convolution.nl/make_juerd_happy.html http://convolution.nl/gajigu_juerd_n.html

Re: Thunking semantics of :=

sense, but that has something to do with me never understanding the purpose of ::=. Juerd -- http://convolution.nl/maak_juerd_blij.html http://convolution.nl/make_juerd_happy.html http://convolution.nl/gajigu_juerd_n.html

Re: -X's auto-(un)quoting?

PROTECTED]) returns Handle {...} Where protocol(file) expands to file:// Yes, but it's probably easier to just use a hash: %protocolfile. Juerd -- http://convolution.nl/maak_juerd_blij.html http://convolution.nl/make_juerd_happy.html http://convolution.nl/gajigu_juerd_n.html

Re: -X's auto-(un)quoting?

probably easier to just use a hash: %protocolfile. Easier or more efficient? Yes. Juerd -- http://convolution.nl/maak_juerd_blij.html http://convolution.nl/make_juerd_happy.html http://convolution.nl/gajigu_juerd_n.html

Re: -X's auto-(un)quoting?

kinda like the IO::All module, except for how it overloads and . my $page == io(http://www.wall.org/~larry;); IO used in this way denies that there's non-stream-based IO too. Waiting for a certain wire to get shorted is input too, as is writing directly to graphic memory a form of output. Juerd

Re: -X's auto-(un)quoting?

Larry Wall skribis 2005-04-22 9:47 (-0700): : my $page == io(http://www.wall.org/~larry;); : IO used in this way denies that there's non-stream-based IO too. How so? Where's the xor? Good point. Juerd -- http://convolution.nl/maak_juerd_blij.html http://convolution.nl

Re: Binding and the Proxy class

will probably be fast too. We don't need C for speed ;)) Juerd -- http://convolution.nl/maak_juerd_blij.html http://convolution.nl/make_juerd_happy.html http://convolution.nl/gajigu_juerd_n.html

Re: -X's auto-(un)quoting?

for that matter. They should both topicalize using the same semantics, IMO. Juerd -- http://convolution.nl/maak_juerd_blij.html http://convolution.nl/make_juerd_happy.html http://convolution.nl/gajigu_juerd_n.html

Re: -X's auto-(un)quoting?

. The problem with ..foo is less apparent because you're likely to copy all the levels at once, and it's relative rather than absolute. Juerd -- http://convolution.nl/maak_juerd_blij.html http://convolution.nl/make_juerd_happy.html http://convolution.nl/gajigu_juerd_n.html

Re: Thunking semantics of :=

symbolically. Juerd -- http://convolution.nl/maak_juerd_blij.html http://convolution.nl/make_juerd_happy.html http://convolution.nl/gajigu_juerd_n.html

Re: Thunking semantics of :=

[1]y; $x = 3; @a[0]x[1]y 3 Pass. pugs my ($x, @a); $x := [EMAIL PROTECTED]; $x = 3 *** Error: Can't modify constant item Pass, provided that [EMAIL PROTECTED] (@a.elems) is rvalue. If it's lvalue, then @a should grow to 3 elements instead. Juerd -- http://convolution.nl

Re: Accepted abbreviations

references there are aref and href, but scalar and subroutine references are not presented. Because I have never seen them used as singleletterref yet. Probably because sref would be highly ambiguous. Juerd -- http://convolution.nl/maak_juerd_blij.html http://convolution.nl/make_juerd_happy.html

Re: [pugs]weird thing with say ++$

else. In array context, @foo is passed as the array that it is. In list context, it is flattened. Big and very important difference. Juerd -- http://convolution.nl/maak_juerd_blij.html http://convolution.nl/make_juerd_happy.html http://convolution.nl/gajigu_juerd_n.html

Re: -X's auto-(un)quoting?

is harder to find.) Juerd -- http://convolution.nl/maak_juerd_blij.html http://convolution.nl/make_juerd_happy.html http://convolution.nl/gajigu_juerd_n.html

Re: [pugs]weird thing with say ++$

started to realise and agree that having two things both called arrays or lists was confusing. There are still some occurrences of array context left, but in reality, even in Perl 5, that should only refer to the context in which an array is expected, as provided by a \@ prototype. Juerd -- http

Re: turning off warnings for a function's params?

). Juerd -- http://convolution.nl/maak_juerd_blij.html http://convolution.nl/make_juerd_happy.html http://convolution.nl/gajigu_juerd_n.html

Re: -X's auto-(un)quoting?

stuff, it is not, because we want those things to be anonymous more often than the other things. Juerd -- http://convolution.nl/maak_juerd_blij.html http://convolution.nl/make_juerd_happy.html http://convolution.nl/gajigu_juerd_n.html

Re: -X's auto-(un)quoting?

is chosen should be consistently applied to both syntaxes. Of course, the same consistency prescripbes that $_ be that default... Juerd -- http://convolution.nl/maak_juerd_blij.html http://convolution.nl/make_juerd_happy.html http://convolution.nl/gajigu_juerd_n.html

Re: -X's auto-(un)quoting?

). The event being the topic makes sense only if all events are handled by the same method, in which you use a dispatch table. But OO itself is a pretty neat dispatching machine already. Juerd -- http://convolution.nl/maak_juerd_blij.html http://convolution.nl/make_juerd_happy.html http

use junction

is perhaps better. But use strict warnigs; looks great and I wonder if it can work. Juerd -- http://convolution.nl/maak_juerd_blij.html http://convolution.nl/make_juerd_happy.html http://convolution.nl/gajigu_juerd_n.html

surprising consequences

Assuming the following are true: A: if is now a normal function B: foo() + 3 is (foo) + 3, foo doesn't get 3. Then does that mean we're stuck with: C: if($foo) { say 'foo' } being a syntax error? I currently think A is wrong. Am I right? Juerd -- http://convolution.nl

Re: -X's auto-(un)quoting?

} That is the goal - to find some nice variable that looks vaguely usable and that people won't rebel against using. Variable or alternative for the dot. Juerd -- http://convolution.nl/maak_juerd_blij.html http://convolution.nl/make_juerd_happy.html http://convolution.nl/gajigu_juerd_n.html

calls and parens

temporary variable? Juerd -- http://convolution.nl/maak_juerd_blij.html http://convolution.nl/make_juerd_happy.html http://convolution.nl/gajigu_juerd_n.html

Re: surprising consequences

not. Juerd -- http://convolution.nl/maak_juerd_blij.html http://convolution.nl/make_juerd_happy.html http://convolution.nl/gajigu_juerd_n.html

Re: -X's auto-(un)quoting?

Nathan Wiger skribis 2005-04-25 13:35 (-0700): My point is simply that we pick one or the other, instead of both/aliases/etc. But TIMTOWTDI. One way may be great for writing maintainable code, while the other is useful in oneliners (including single line method definitions). Juerd -- http

Re: Roles as anonymous and/or closures

attractive, but I'm not sure if roles can be anonymous and/or closures. They can. But I think what you wrote is rather unnecessarily complex. Juerd -- http://convolution.nl/maak_juerd_blij.html http://convolution.nl/make_juerd_happy.html http://convolution.nl/gajigu_juerd_n.html

Re: LABELS: block

of goto, to many's dismay (but not mine)). Indirect method call on default invocant: method: args; Quoting: qq:to/foo/ == say; s:2nd/foo/bar/; The latter can be fixed by requiring \w+:\s+, but the former I think cannot. Juerd -- http://convolution.nl/maak_juerd_blij.html http

Re: LABELS: block

the colon: foo: for 1... { next foo; } Juerd -- http://convolution.nl/maak_juerd_blij.html http://convolution.nl/make_juerd_happy.html http://convolution.nl/gajigu_juerd_n.html

Re: Sun Fortress and Perl 6

be useful, but it also makes great documentation. Juerd -- http://convolution.nl/maak_juerd_blij.html http://convolution.nl/make_juerd_happy.html http://convolution.nl/gajigu_juerd_n.html

Re: is rw basically a null-op on objects/references?

-, by the way. Juerd -- http://convolution.nl/maak_juerd_blij.html http://convolution.nl/make_juerd_happy.html http://convolution.nl/gajigu_juerd_n.html

Re: is rw basically a null-op on objects/references?

Juerd skribis 2005-04-28 14:47 (+0200): Yes, because a pair is an object (reference), and it's not the .value that you're passing ro. An example of what would go wrong: for %hash.pairs.value - $value { $value = ...; } But this will work: for %hash.pairs.value

Re: is rw basically a null-op on objects/references?

- as a whole before trying to match . I wouldn't suggest actually parsing .* first and then seeing if the .* happened to equal '-' :)) Juerd -- http://convolution.nl/maak_juerd_blij.html http://convolution.nl/make_juerd_happy.html http://convolution.nl/gajigu_juerd_n.html

Re: Formal Parameters To While Block

Luke Palmer skribis 2005-05-01 1:17 (-0600): Umm... maybe I'm totally misunderstanding you, but I think it doesn't, since I'm implementing statement:while, not statement:for. Sorry, I wasn't clear enough. How would the same is lazy thing be useful with for, given this example? Juerd -- http

Re: Open and pipe

...? Or guess it, -T alike. Browsers do a great (but of course not perfect) job at guessing. I want Perl to have such dwimmery too. And what about IO layers? :) I can imagine a similarity to sub wrapping: $fh.wrap(Class) Juerd -- http://convolution.nl/maak_juerd_blij.html http://convolution.nl

Re: Open and pipe

associate with reading and with writing. If there's any association at all, my guess is that it has to do with comparison or angle brackets. Juerd -- http://convolution.nl/maak_juerd_blij.html http://convolution.nl/make_juerd_happy.html http://convolution.nl/gajigu_juerd_n.html

Re: Open and pipe

in the module that CGI.pm-:standard-ishly pollutes the main namespace? I don't think the command should default to $_ Eh... Why?! Juerd -- http://convolution.nl/maak_juerd_blij.html http://convolution.nl/make_juerd_happy.html http://convolution.nl/gajigu_juerd_n.html

Re: LABELS: block

like the bareword-ish labels to go away) Juerd -- http://convolution.nl/maak_juerd_blij.html http://convolution.nl/make_juerd_happy.html http://convolution.nl/gajigu_juerd_n.html

Re: Open and pipe

was blessed already. Which the oneliner side of you should find awful nice. It does indeed! Juerd -- http://convolution.nl/maak_juerd_blij.html http://convolution.nl/make_juerd_happy.html http://convolution.nl/gajigu_juerd_n.html

Re: use junction

? That certainly fits in the sigil-is-part-of-the-name-thing. Juerd -- http://convolution.nl/maak_juerd_blij.html http://convolution.nl/make_juerd_happy.html http://convolution.nl/gajigu_juerd_n.html

Re: Signatures and option specs [was: Open and pipe]

write it readably. Juerd -- http://convolution.nl/maak_juerd_blij.html http://convolution.nl/make_juerd_happy.html http://convolution.nl/gajigu_juerd_n.html

Re: reduce metaoperator

= (R)+ @array; I like that. Juerd -- http://convolution.nl/maak_juerd_blij.html http://convolution.nl/make_juerd_happy.html http://convolution.nl/gajigu_juerd_n.html

Re: reduce metaoperator

Juerd skribis 2005-05-04 14:53 (+0200): @foo == zip == @bar H... @quux || || \/ @foo == zip == @bar /\ || || @xyzzy :) Juerd -- http://convolution.nl/maak_juerd_blij.html http

Re: reduce metaoperator

that the texas reduce is written @ instead. Are there any infix:op where there is also a standalone op that would confuse usage inside ()? If so, would it be too big a deal to special-case those? Maybe x? Juerd -- http://convolution.nl/maak_juerd_blij.html http://convolution.nl/make_juerd_happy.html

Re: reduce metaoperator

, with weird unary or listop parsing: reduce(+) @array That's ugly, but there's also the map-ish form, and I'd like that to still be available. reduce { $^a + $^b }, @array; reduce infix:+,@array; Juerd -- http://convolution.nl/maak_juerd_blij.html http://convolution.nl

Re: Circular dereference?

:[ ]). Juerd -- http://convolution.nl/maak_juerd_blij.html http://convolution.nl/make_juerd_happy.html http://convolution.nl/gajigu_juerd_n.html

Re: Circular dereference?

Juerd skribis 2005-05-04 15:18 (+0200): I'm still against any explict scalar dereferencing, so: fail, complaining about $x not being an arrayreference (not knowing how to handle postcircumfix:[ ]). Ehm :) s/explicit/implicit/ Juerd -- http://convolution.nl/maak_juerd_blij.html http

Re: reduce metaoperator

!! +++[++-]+++.[-]. [-]-.---.+++[+++-].+ ++[---]+..+++[+++-].+..+++[---] .-.+...[+-]++.+++[--] .+++[---]-.[-]+++..+.-- .++..+++[]+...+++[ -]+.+++[]. Juerd -- http://convolution.nl/maak_juerd_blij.html http://convolution.nl/make_juerd_happy.html http://convolution.nl/gajigu_juerd_n.html

Re: Open and pipe

, then. A normal filehandle can already handle bidirection. I think the following solution suffices in a clean way: $h = open a pipe; Now, $h.in; $h.out; $h.err; $h.print(foo); # use $h.out $l = $h.readline; # use $h.in Juerd -- http://convolution.nl

Re: Open and pipe

to have. Compare this to Perl 5 and see how similar it is. Juerd -- http://convolution.nl/maak_juerd_blij.html http://convolution.nl/make_juerd_happy.html http://convolution.nl/gajigu_juerd_n.html

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