pf/altq on a fast link

2003-05-31 Thread Tony Faoro
Good day, I operate a web-hosting/colocation/game server hosting company with a generous amount of available banwidth. I have a OpenBSD bridge firewalling my network but after reading about the 'Prioritizing empty TCP ACKs with pf and ALTQ' I began to realize that there may be more I can do to sp

Re: pf/altq on a fast link

2003-06-05 Thread Kent R. Spillner
Dennis wrote: "FREE" isnt really cheaper when you spend $1000's worth of your time to make it work, and then end up with an inferior solution when you're done. -1, Troll This is a pf list. pf does not require investing $1000s worth of your time to "make it work." pf is not an inferior solution.

Re: pf/altq on a fast link

2003-06-05 Thread Wouter Clarie
On Wed, 4 Jun 2003, Dennis wrote: > "FREE" isnt really cheaper when you spend $1000's worth of your time to > make it work, and then end up with an inferior solution when you're > done. I think, if you need $1000s worth of time figuring this out, perhaps you shouldn't be doing this kind of stuff

Re: pf/altq on a fast link

2003-06-06 Thread Dennis
bandwidth management tool it's quite inferior. Priority queuing is an archaic, inferior technology, if you can call it a technology. The subject here is "pf/altq" on a fast link. How does it perform on a gigabit wire with stats gathering and limits configured for 5000 hosts? How does

Re: pf/altq on a fast link

2003-06-06 Thread Henning Brauer
o "make it work." pf is not an inferior solution. > > > > Go peddle your "p2p sniffer" and your lies elsewhere. > > openbsd-pf is a good firewall. But as a bandwidth management tool it's > quite inferior. Priority queuing is an archaic, inferior tech

FW: pf/altq on a fast link

2003-06-06 Thread Dom De Vitto
al Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dennis Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2003 2:20 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: pf/altq on a fast link [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jason Houx) wrote in message news:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>... > Good Day Anthony and pf list >

Re: pf/altq on a fast link

2003-06-06 Thread Kyle R. Hofmann
On 05 Jun 2003 09:25:20 -0700, Dennis wrote: > openbsd-pf is a good firewall. But as a bandwidth management tool it's > quite inferior. Priority queuing is an archaic, inferior technology, > if you can call it a technology. > > The subject here is "pf/altq" on a fas

Re: pf/altq on a fast link

2003-06-06 Thread Dennis
n 2003 17:09:42 -0400 > From: Dennis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: Wouter Clarie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: pf/altq on a fast link > > At 03:48 AM 06/05/2003, you wrote: > > >On Wed, 4 Jun 2003, Dennis wrote: > > > > > "FREE" isn

Re: pf/altq on a fast link

2003-06-06 Thread Michiel van Baak
> > Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2003 17:09:42 -0400 > > From: Dennis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: Wouter Clarie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Subject: Re: pf/altq on a fast link > > > > At 03:48 AM 06/05/2003, you wrote: > > > > >On Wed, 4 Jun

Re: pf/altq on a fast link

2003-06-06 Thread Andrew Green
t. //Wouter -- Forwarded message -- Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2003 17:09:42 -0400 From: Dennis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Wouter Clarie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: pf/altq on a fast link At 03:48 AM 06/05/2003, you wrote: On Wed, 4 Jun 2003, Dennis wrote: "FREE" isnt real

Re: pf/altq on a fast link

2003-05-31 Thread siivv
Go here: http://www.benzedrine.cx/ackpri.html Daniel wrote a great article about just how to do this. Can't help with "real world" examples, but that should point you in the right direction. Note, you will need openbsd 3.3 to accomplish this scott On Sat, 31 May 2003, Tony Faoro wrote: > > Goo

Re: pf/altq on a fast link

2003-06-01 Thread j knight
Tony Faoro wrote: If anyone out there would be so kind as to share a pf.conf they are using in a similar circumstance that would be great. I'm somewhat new to the packet prioritizing world and would love some real world examples you all have had success with. Hi. You can find further information

Re: pf/altq on a fast link

2003-06-01 Thread Henning Brauer
On Sat, May 31, 2003 at 02:01:34AM -0700, Tony Faoro wrote: > > Good day, > > I operate a web-hosting/colocation/game server hosting company with a > generous amount of available banwidth. I have a OpenBSD bridge firewalling > my network but after reading about the 'Prioritizing empty TCP ACKs wi

Re: pf/altq on a fast link

2003-06-01 Thread Jason Houx
Good Day Anthony and pf list As everyone already covered some very good points and some good links. I thought I would pass along something that would get you started. Basically I work for a ISP/LEC and we have started using OpenBSD for traffic shaping on customers that we will run some fiber to

RE: pf/altq on a fast link

2003-06-01 Thread Dom De Vitto
Sent: Saturday, May 31, 2003 8:33 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: pf/altq on a fast link On Sat, May 31, 2003 at 02:01:34AM -0700, Tony Faoro wrote: > > Good day, > > I operate a web-hosting/colocation/game server hosting company with a > generous amount of available ban

Re: pf/altq on a fast link

2003-06-01 Thread Henning Brauer
On Sat, May 31, 2003 at 10:06:25PM +0100, Dom De Vitto wrote: > As usual, Henning is right, but I'd add that (assuming that the ALTQ+ > PF code is negligible) some protocols may be better, even with plenty > of available bandwidth. > > For example, you could say that TCP SYN,SYN+ACK and ACK packet

RE: pf/altq on a fast link

2003-06-01 Thread Dom De Vitto
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Re: pf/altq on a fast link

2003-06-01 Thread Dennis
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jason Houx) wrote in message news:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>... > Good Day Anthony and pf list > > As everyone already covered some very good points and some good links. I > thought I would pass along something that would get you started. > Basically I work for a ISP/LEC and we have

Re: pf/altq on a fast link

2003-06-02 Thread Henning Brauer
On Sun, Jun 01, 2003 at 06:20:23AM -0700, Dennis wrote: > If you get serious about bandwidth management, take a look at > something a bit more advanced at a very affordable price. Our software blah blah blah. what a bullshit. take your commercial advertising crap elsewhere. -- Henning Brauer, B

Re: pf/altq on a fast link

2003-06-02 Thread Jason Dixon
On Sun, 2003-06-01 at 10:55, Henning Brauer wrote: > On Sun, Jun 01, 2003 at 06:20:23AM -0700, Dennis wrote: > > If you get serious about bandwidth management, take a look at > > something a bit more advanced at a very affordable price. Our software > > blah blah blah. what a bullshit. take your c

Re: pf/altq on a fast link

2003-06-02 Thread Jason Houx
On 1 Jun 2003, Dennis wrote: > If you get serious about bandwidth management, take a look at > something a bit more advanced at a very affordable price. Our software grrr. I think you miss the total point - we don't want to regulate p2p traffic for a sub-AS network we just want to cap their tota

RE: pf/altq on a fast link

2003-06-02 Thread Dom De Vitto
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Re: pf/altq on a fast link

2003-06-02 Thread Dennis
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Henning Brauer) wrote in message news:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>... > On Sun, Jun 01, 2003 at 06:20:23AM -0700, Dennis wrote: > > If you get serious about bandwidth management, take a look at > > something a bit more advanced at a very affordable price. Our software > > blah blah blah.

Re: pf/altq on a fast link

2003-06-03 Thread Wouter Clarie
On Mon, 1 Jun 2003, Dennis wrote: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Henning Brauer) wrote in message news:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>... > > > > blah blah blah. what a bullshit. take your commercial advertising crap > > elsewhere. > > Sorry. I hate to see people struggle to do simple things. Do you still > use a hand

RE: pf/altq on a fast link

2003-06-03 Thread Amir Seyavash Mesry
, June 01, 2003 6:09 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: pf/altq on a fast link [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Henning Brauer) wrote in message news:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>... > On Sun, Jun 01, 2003 at 06:20:23AM -0700, Dennis wrote: > > If you get serious about bandwidth management,

Re: pf/altq on a fast link

2003-06-05 Thread Mike Mentges
Dennis, I do cut my grass with a hand mower, and wash my clothes in a stream. But I only trust the best for my company and its employees and have seen what other "bandwidth management" equipment is out there. Personally if I use those pricey products (such as yours) and spend endless a

Re: pf/altq on a fast link

2003-06-05 Thread Dennis
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Wouter Clarie) wrote in message news:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>... > On Mon, 1 Jun 2003, Dennis wrote: > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Henning Brauer) wrote in message news:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>... > > > > > > blah blah blah. what a bullshit. take your commercial advertising crap > > > elsewher

Re: pf/altq on a fast link

2003-06-05 Thread Wouter Clarie
:42 -0400 From: Dennis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Wouter Clarie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: pf/altq on a fast link At 03:48 AM 06/05/2003, you wrote: >On Wed, 4 Jun 2003, Dennis wrote: > > > "FREE" isnt really cheaper when you spend $1000's worth of your ti

RE: pf/altq on a fast link (etinc is not as good as freeware)

2003-06-06 Thread Dom De Vitto
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