their
alternative driver a prerequisite for an app I need, only at that point
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feel a true BSD license is vital, I direct you toward
http://mailman.vex.net/pipermail/pygresql/2010-February/002315.html to
learn more about what direction they could use some help in going. But
whatever you do, don't start another project instead.
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as best
I could summarize it:
http://wiki.postgresql.org/wiki/Python_PostgreSQL_Driver_TODO
Looks like the first action item is to talk with the Psycopg people
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Greg Smith wrote:
Here's a full TODO page that includes everything mentioned here as
best I could summarize it:
http://wiki.postgresql.org/wiki/Python_PostgreSQL_Driver_TODO
Looks like the first action item is to talk with the Psycopg people
about their license.
Oh: and I'm going to take
. link to their mailing list archives or something
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work toward the standard libpq routines would seem appropriate for
things passing between the driver and libpq. Were the issues you ran
into on that side, or more on the Python side of how things were being
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Any other suggestions before I turn the above into a roadmap page on the
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interacts with the OS in terms of reads and writes of blocks. It looks
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modules generally easier to install are well
understood, and many people have been working on potential improvements
to that whole situation for a while now. It's a hard problem though.
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, but it's been possible to build something
with the same basic feature set since 8.2. Getting that going with a
chain of downstreams slaves is not so easy though, so there's something
that I think would be unique to the 9.0 implementation.
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aid | 1
$ psql -x -c select aid from pgbench_accounts order by aid desc limit
1 -d pgbench
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We've got pgsql-cluster-hackers to discuss this
particular area.
Huh, is this a new list? It wasn't added to wwwmaster's list of lists,
apparently, right?
The archives are at
http://archives.postgresql.org/pgsql-cluster-hackers/ but it's
Alvaro Herrera wrote:
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Alvaro Herrera wrote:
Greg Smith wrote:
We've got pgsql-cluster-hackers to discuss this
particular area.
Huh, is this a new list? It wasn't added to wwwmaster's list of lists,
apparently, right?
The archives
stretch to me, and I wouldn't
consider it very likely that set of work could get finished in time for
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only real decision is whether there's enough interest in upgrading this
utility to review and possibly commit the result, and I'm trying to
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minutes by following the message ID links. I do that all the time for
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outside of what this list should be focusing on right now. We've got
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that's outside of the scope of what anyone
wants to touch at this point though.
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in there to make that easy
while we're mucking around with all this logging anyway.
I'll touch base with you later this week once I've done my initial pass
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similar requirements that drive working on it anyway, like Selena it
appears, it would be nice to see a final pg_standby get shipped as a
result that has less obvious rough parts. Doubt much work will go into
it beyond this release though.
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, they're working on the wrong type of
project for them.
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this issue. Maybe it's
just a change to the beginning of fast shutdown, or to the end of smart
as I think you're suggesting. Perhaps you only get it if you do one of
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, there are
others. I'd guess MonetDB followed a procedure just like that,
discovered some queries didn't work right, and just called it a day and
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at the PGCon developer's meeting, most of the action items there
came with a clearly labeled person on the hook who was working on them.
I don't see any notion like that from this meeting's outcome.
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was wrong is just shoddy journalism. I'm
hoping to have some crow to serve to them about another benchmark result
they've published soon, they're back to really rubbing me the wrong way
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version of this patch could use at least one more
performance checking report that it does something useful. We got a lot
of data from Andres, but do we know that the improvements here hold for
others too? I can take a look at it later this week, I have some
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I don't think there's any useful case for further exposing the two
component parts of the toast size. If you're enough of a hacker to know
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with to have looked at deeply is exactly how the FSM and
toast computations are done, to check if there's any corner cases in how
it navigates forks and such that aren't considered.
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indexterm
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I can send an updated patch with both of these things fixed tomorrow.
Given that we're talking 5 lines of change here, if it's easier for you
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Stefan Kaltenbrunner wrote:
Greg Smith wrote:
The other popular request that keeps popping up here is providing an
easy way to see how backlogged the archive_command is, to make it
easier to monitor for out of disk errors that might prove
catastrophic to replication.
I tend to disagree
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Euler Taveira de Oliveira wrote:
Greg Smith escreveu:
pg_stat_reset( which text )
which := 'buffers' | 'checkpoints' | 'tables' | 'functions' | ...
What about adding 'all' too? Or the idea is resetting all global counters when
we call pg_stat_reset() (without parameters
that better, but I've found it hard to
justify working on given that it's not that difficult to handle outside
of the database once the individual pieces are exposed.
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, in the form of a tool much more
likely to be used correctly by people who go looking for it than misused
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That seems consistent with the other code here--the other message
handlers only seem to throw errors when something really terrible
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had read the documentation before so it wasn't that bad that I
couldn't see it. Basically, the issue I had is that it's not really
clear which features are unique to this implementation that make it
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to be more
complicated because it requires passing more information into the
archiver, with little gain for that work beyond improving the quality of
this diagnostic routine. And I think most people would find what I
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to identify that segment file on disk, you
can always look at its timestamp (and the ones on the rest of the files
in that directory) in a monitoring script to turn that information into
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discussion, because previous patches were just too big. We do need to
get this whole thing off the list for a while now though, I think it's
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of
examples that, while still complicated, are completely self-contained
and possible to follow along until you understand how it all fits
together. Patch submitters should consider it a goal to make life that
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Heikki Linnakangas wrote:
Greg Smith wrote:
I don't think anybody can deploy this feature without at least some very
basic monitoring here. I like the basic proposal you made back in
September for adding a pg_standbys_xlog_location to replace what you
have to get from ps right now:
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smart behavior or alerting when replication goes bad like Josh's
archiving_lag_action seem based the deadline to get addressed
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now and release time.)
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have to get from ps right now:
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That's basic, but enough that people could get by for a V1.
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Peter Eisentraut wrote:
Probably someone to actually track the open items that are mentioned
every time this discussion happens.
http://wiki.postgresql.org/wiki/Switching_PostgreSQL_from_CVS_to_Git now
has what I believe the state of the world to be in this area.
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the purpose of the change, I'm not
sure what the benefit there is--if you have to turn it on, you might as
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of plans you get. Once there's millions of distinct
values it's takes a big change for plans to shift, etc.
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is much faster than the logical end doesn't help either. I should
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It would be interesting to graph the Dirty and Writeback figures in
/proc/meminfo over time with and without this patch in place. That
should make it obvious what the kernel is doing differently in the two
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of the database.
However, the documentation should be updated to warn against the issue
with TOAST here. And it should be easier to get the total you're like
to see here: main relation + toasted parts, since that's what most DBAs
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Bernd, there's a basic spec if you have time to work on this.
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On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 Greg Smith wrote:
Sounds like we just are waiting for Simon to finish up, which is
expected to happen by tomorrow, and for Tom to wrap up working on the
ProcessUtility_hook. That makes the first reasonable date to consider
alpha3 packaging Thursday 12/17 I think.
Update
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Robert Haas wrote:
I don't think there should be a transition from Returned with Feedback
back to Waiting for review. Granted we might allow that occasionally
as an exceptional case
after them (at
the expense of postponing the beta) left for this release. Just figured
I'd pass along that warning before somebody discovers it the hard way,
by working madly to finish their submission up only to see it get kicked
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://wiki.postgresql.org/wiki/Developer_FAQ
and http://wiki.postgresql.org/wiki/Submitting_a_Patch are what we've
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based on its submission date.
You're not really getting a fair chunk of time here between your review
and the end here because of problems lining up reviewer time, that
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I get the impression there is still some discussion that needs to
happen about the design of this. I think we should mark it Returned
with Feedback for now, and let whoever
; pgadmin-support was the right place for it:
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tightly bounded as far as how much time the author has to do it.
(Also, Waiting for review is actually the wrong name for the state
it's trying to talk about.)
Uh, what are you talking about here?
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. This feature is only
really useful as far as performance testing goes if you're using it on
an I/O bound test. I have some more pgbench hints to apply at some
point in the future, so it wouldn't be problem to skip this for now; I
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know, we can try to keep someone else from being confused and
instead directed to the right place more directly. It would be a nice
gesture on your part to end our conversation here having done something
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the PR side, announcing HS as hitting core and available in the alpha is
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pretty obvious working from this table.
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problem that might be a recurring one. It would be nice
if we could all get better at identifying when it does happen, and
perhaps find someone to help with planning before we waste so much time
chasing code that isn't going to be accepted yet again.
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, you're using a debugger to track your leak down only after
reproducing a test case for it.
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at http://wiki.postgresql.org/wiki/Hot_Standby shows a reasonable
way to organize such a thing from a similarly complicated patch.
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about everywhere else already, right?
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into the middle of
this area regularly anyway.
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. It certainly feels to me like the
average quality of patches making their way through to our committers
keeps itching upwards, so they spend less time fighting things like
patch bit-rot and stuff that just plain doesn't work, and more time
doing serious review work.
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the wrong thing and operating in an unsafe way after the
recent change is what Peter's suggesting. This is good, actually,
because I don't think we had many client-side thread-safety tests
floating around to catch problems in this area before.
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be others in there too.
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Stephen Frost wrote:
* Greg Smith (g...@2ndquadrant.com) wrote:
I have to be honest and say that I'm not optimistic that this is
possible or even a good idea to accomplish in the time remaining during
this release.
While I agree with you, I wish you hadn't brought it up
So it's not without value even in its current Lite form. But there's
clearly a whole lot more use-cases that would benefit from a version
with row filtering.
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