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3 quick things :
1) How can I get the Windows theme (W2K) that was available in Pharo 3 (it's no
longer there in Pharo 4.0 Beta). Having the close, maximize minimize buttons
to the left of every window is VERY annoying for Windows users!
2) Am I the only one annoyed by the
Hi,
Thanks for the feedback.
Given that all listed points are negative, does it mean that there was
nothing positive about Pharo 4? :)
Cheers,
Doru
On Fri, Apr 3, 2015 at 2:11 PM, Benoit St-Jean via Pharo-dev
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1) How can I get the Windows theme (W2K) that was available in Pharo 3
(it's no longer there in Pharo 4.0 Beta). Having the close, maximize
minimize buttons to the left of every window is VERY annoying for Windows
users!
On 03 Apr 2015, at 14:11, Benoit St-Jean via Pharo-dev
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Date: 3 Apr 2015 14:08:03 CEST
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On 03 Apr 2015, at 14:11, Benoit St-Jean via Pharo-dev
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Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2015 12:37:41 + (UTC)
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Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2015 12:37:41 + (UTC)
Subject: Re: [Pharo-dev] Pharo 4 Beta, first impressions
It's not so much about the Windows look (whether it's Win98, Win 2K, Win
XP, Win Me, Win 8, Win Whatever). Every Windows user *expects* to have the
Close, Maximize Minimize
IMHO, underneath the windows theme argument is the question of the GUI
look and feel instability Pharo suffers from one release to another one,
this ruin a bit the idea of people willing to design desktop
application[1] with Pharo, where consistency in this department is more
or less
Le 03/04/2015 16:21, Marcus Denker a écrit :
right, we removed W2K already for Pharo3.
It’s 2015...
Still Benoit wrote about users.
Do Benoit think about users of a specific Pharo Desktop application? In
that case it can have implication upgrading this application to newer
Pharo, because
On 03 Apr 2015, at 18:46, Hilaire hila...@drgeo.eu wrote:
IMHO, underneath the windows theme argument is the question of the GUI
look and feel instability Pharo suffers from one release to another one,
this ruin a bit the idea of people willing to design desktop
application[1] with Pharo,
yet… while I disagree with the idea of having a “windows” theme (or any
platform specific theme), I think it would be cool to have an option to flip
the control buttons… that can work as an extension of current theme, not as a
different theme.
Problem is “who does it”, more than yes or not to
IMHO, underneath the windows theme argument is the question of the GUI
look and feel instability Pharo suffers from one release to another one,
this ruin a bit the idea of people willing to design desktop
application[1] with Pharo, where consistency in this department is more
or less needed. In
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IMHO, underneath the windows theme argument is the question of the GUI
look and feel instability Pharo suffers from one release to another one,
this ruin a bit the idea of people willing to design desktop
Le 03/04/2015 15:56, Benoit St-Jean via Pharo-dev a écrit :
I can perfectly understand that not everything has to be in the
image and that, ultimately, someone has to maintain that code. The
only problem I have with the removal of that theme is that more than
55% of users are running some
Apr 2015 15:53:56 CEST
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Subject: Re: [Pharo-dev] Pharo 4 Beta, first impressions
Kilon,
I can perfectly understand that not everything has
Oh, but wait a minute: W2K was not present in Pharo3, only Vistary was
there, but removed.
Hilaire
Le 03/04/2015 16:16, Hilaire a écrit :
Le 03/04/2015 15:56, Benoit St-Jean via Pharo-dev a écrit :
I can perfectly understand that not everything has to be in the
image and that, ultimately,
: Re: [Pharo-dev] Pharo 4 Beta, first impressions
Kilon,
I can perfectly understand that not everything has to be in the image and
that, ultimately, someone has to maintain that code. The only problem I
have with the removal of that theme is that more than 55% of users are
running some
On 03 Apr 2015, at 16:19, Hilaire hila...@drgeo.eu wrote:
Oh, but wait a minute: W2K was not present in Pharo3, only Vistary was
there, but removed.
right, we removed W2K already for Pharo3.
It’s 2015...
Hilaire
Le 03/04/2015 16:16, Hilaire a écrit :
Le 03/04/2015 15:56, Benoit
It's not as if someone would ask for an OS/2 or a Motif UI theme! There
are *LOTS* of people on Windows still !
That is irrelevant really . Thats not how open source works. In open source
something maintained or goes in or stays in because someone bothers to code
for it.
You may get 1 billion
The point is, every piece of code needs to be written and maintained which
takes time and energy from other activities.
I completely agree with you. I have zero issues of main pharo developers
kicking out libraries that are not so much used by pharo users. Those
libraries are perfectly capable of
On 03 Apr 2015, at 14:11, Benoit St-Jean via Pharo-dev
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2) Am I the only one annoyed by the fact that the Collection class still
holds on to 2 class variables (one of them being an instance of Random, the
other a mutex) for the sole purpose of
of radius zero. (A. Einstein)
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The point is, every piece of code needs to be written and maintained which
. (A. Einstein)
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The point is, every piece of code needs to be written and maintained which
takes time
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