[Pharo-dev] Spec license

2014-08-28 Thread Stephan Eggermont
https://github.com/spec-framework/spec/commit/07ea83ca50523b4a912e363ff2f3974c69314b7f#commitcomment-7540588 I think the license might need further improvements. I've taken a look at the commit history, and it looks to me like there is a licensing problem there. I am no lawyer, so don't know w

Re: [Pharo-dev] Spec license

2014-08-28 Thread Henrik Johansen
Does it really matter? If the external repository gets successfully relicensed, or Benjamin publishes new improvements as a separate, GPL-licensed change set, the end result is the same; no improvement he makes will make its way back into the versions in Core. I may not know his reasons, but I c

Re: [Pharo-dev] Spec license

2014-08-28 Thread p...@highoctane.be
No, it doesn't. We can improve Spec in the core, why wouldn't we be able to? We use it in a lot of the tools, so, there are plenty of samples and documentation exists. One can make sense of what's going on under the hood. Have a look at: (this is for Pharo 3.0) SpecInterpreter>>interpretASpec:s

Re: [Pharo-dev] Spec license

2014-08-28 Thread S Krish
Will there be any interest in alternative declarative framework, mostly fleshed out, worked in Pharo 2.0 / with little fixes for FileDirectory et als in 3.0 http://skrishnamachari.wordpress.com/2012/01/31/pharo-application-framework-aka-morphic-view-framework/ I can push this in with the required

Re: [Pharo-dev] Spec license

2014-08-29 Thread stepharo
Hi phil I agree. I cleaned the MorphicAdapters during a recesss from project writing. I should finish the last two: menu and menu group. Stef On 28/8/14 14:21, p...@highoctane.be wrote: No, it doesn't. We can improve Spec in the core, why wouldn't we be able to? We use it in a lot of the

Re: [Pharo-dev] Spec license

2014-08-29 Thread stepharo
Hi skri Glenn is also working for a company and building an alternative to Spec to support mobile and others. What is important is that - we should continue to clean and improve spec and its documentation. - understand and push alternative solutions - so I suggest that you should m

Re: [Pharo-dev] Spec license

2014-09-01 Thread S Krish
Thx.. Here I repost, an alternative framework to wire up Morphic UI: * Implicit spec, full layout described spec and table layout based spec options: http://skrishnamachari.wordpress.com/2014/09/01/reviving-pharo-morphic-view/ Model / View / Controller hooks exists, the additional parts of the 2

Re: [Pharo-dev] Spec license

2014-09-03 Thread Torsten Bergmann
The Spec news page [1] explains the license change and anyone can easily guess that it is caused by Benjamins personal disagreements with Stef. No judgement on that from my side as this is a personal issue between the two and as I like most of us have only a few infos on that from the outside.

Re: [Pharo-dev] Spec license

2014-09-03 Thread Sven Van Caekenberghe
http://forum.world.st/Board-clarification-around-Spec-td4775346.html On 03 Sep 2014, at 10:24, Torsten Bergmann wrote: > The Spec news page [1] explains the license change and anyone can easily > guess that it is caused > by Benjamins personal disagreements with Stef. No judgement on that from

Re: [Pharo-dev] Spec license

2014-09-04 Thread Christophe Demarey
Le 3 sept. 2014 à 10:24, Torsten Bergmann a écrit : > It is interesting that there is also a new Spec release [2] announced this > week I can see in the announce: Adds SpecTableLayout, thanks @webwarrior-ws Removes hardcoded colors, thanks @Uko Do the authors of contribution (or their company

Re: [Pharo-dev] Spec license

2014-09-04 Thread Christophe Demarey
Yes, you should add a slice in the Pharo inbox with your contribution but ... it depends under which license you first published your contribution. If it was MIT, it is fine (and spec is out of law). If it was the double licensing, we will not be able to integrate it into Pharo. We should re-imp

Re: [Pharo-dev] Spec license

2014-09-05 Thread Yuriy Tymchuk
I’ve made fixes long time ago before Ben left. + my change is in Pharo image. Is this enough? Uko On 04 Sep 2014, at 11:39, Christophe Demarey wrote: > Yes, you should add a slice in the Pharo inbox with your contribution but ... > it depends under which license you first published your cont

Re: [Pharo-dev] Spec license

2014-09-05 Thread Christophe Demarey
Le 5 sept. 2014 à 09:38, Yuriy Tymchuk a écrit : > I’ve made fixes long time ago before Ben left. > + my change is in Pharo image. > > Is this enough? I think so. All code contributed to Pharo via Fogbugz is licensed under MIT. Problems may come if you did a pull request on the spec git repo af

Re: [Pharo-dev] Spec license

2014-09-05 Thread Yuriy Tymchuk
No it was before. https://github.com/spec-framework/spec/pull/14 May 2 On 05 Sep 2014, at 10:43, Christophe Demarey wrote: > > Le 5 sept. 2014 à 09:38, Yuriy Tymchuk a écrit : > >> I’ve made fixes long time ago before Ben left. >> + my change is in Pharo image. >> >> Is this enough? > > I

Re: [Pharo-dev] Spec license

2014-09-05 Thread Ben Coman
Now I'm glad that I just read [1] which says "Today (15 Aug 2014), Spec is changing its license. Until today, Spec was released under the MIT license." I was just about to again rant about the apparent silent relicensing of Spec on 6 Jan 2014 [2] to the CCPL-A-NC-SA [3] (Creative Commons Public

Re: [Pharo-dev] Spec license

2014-09-05 Thread kilon alios
Well I can tell you as a lawyer that GPL is a legal nightmare. I am not against anyone using it as a license but legally is far from clear and there is no guarantees under which circumstances is enforceable. Also copyright is tricky, usually someone contributes based on existing code, so code is n