Re: [Pharo-project] [ANN] ZTimestamp[Precise]SNTPClient

2013-02-27 Thread Frank Shearar
On 27 February 2013 08:26, Marcus Denker wrote: > > On Feb 27, 2013, at 9:20 AM, Frank Shearar wrote: > >> On 27 February 2013 07:51, Serge Stinckwich >> wrote: >>> On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 7:43 PM, Frank Shearar >>> wrote: On 26 February 2013 18:33, Esteban A. Maringolo wrote: >>>

Re: [Pharo-project] [ANN] ZTimestamp[Precise]SNTPClient

2013-02-27 Thread Marcus Denker
On Feb 27, 2013, at 9:20 AM, Frank Shearar wrote: > On 27 February 2013 07:51, Serge Stinckwich > wrote: >> On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 7:43 PM, Frank Shearar >> wrote: >>> On 26 February 2013 18:33, Esteban A. Maringolo >>> wrote: 2013/2/26 Marcus Denker : > On Feb 26, 2013, at 5:33

Re: [Pharo-project] [ANN] ZTimestamp[Precise]SNTPClient

2013-02-27 Thread Frank Shearar
On 27 February 2013 07:51, Serge Stinckwich wrote: > On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 7:43 PM, Frank Shearar > wrote: >> On 26 February 2013 18:33, Esteban A. Maringolo wrote: >>> 2013/2/26 Marcus Denker : On Feb 26, 2013, at 5:33 PM, "Esteban A. Maringolo" wrote: >>> > If you count the

Re: [Pharo-project] [ANN] ZTimestamp[Precise]SNTPClient

2013-02-26 Thread Serge Stinckwich
On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 7:43 PM, Frank Shearar wrote: > On 26 February 2013 18:33, Esteban A. Maringolo wrote: >> 2013/2/26 Marcus Denker : >>> On Feb 26, 2013, at 5:33 PM, "Esteban A. Maringolo" >>> wrote: >> If you count the number of packages in SmalltalkHub and compare them to the

Re: [Pharo-project] [ANN] ZTimestamp[Precise]SNTPClient

2013-02-26 Thread Frank Shearar
On 26 February 2013 22:15, stephane ducasse wrote: > Frank > > if you want me to continue to interact with you on this topic (which I hope) > :) > you will have to read the document :) Read it it takes 10 min on this point > and you will see what we are starting to do. > I wrote it specifically

Re: [Pharo-project] [ANN] ZTimestamp[Precise]SNTPClient

2013-02-26 Thread stephane ducasse
Frank if you want me to continue to interact with you on this topic (which I hope) :) you will have to read the document :) Read it it takes 10 min on this point and you will see what we are starting to do. I wrote it specifically to document this kind of discussion but I will not reproduce it

Re: [Pharo-project] [ANN] ZTimestamp[Precise]SNTPClient

2013-02-26 Thread Frank Shearar
On 26 February 2013 21:26, stephane ducasse wrote: >>> If you want to use SqueakMap go ahead. I have been there and now I know >>> what I want for Pharo. > > Hi frank > > >> I never know what you mean when you say things like this. What is it >> that you want for Pharo? > > I wrote a 40 page

Re: [Pharo-project] [ANN] ZTimestamp[Precise]SNTPClient

2013-02-26 Thread stephane ducasse
>>> >> If you want to use SqueakMap go ahead. I have been there and now I know >> what I want for Pharo. Hi frank > I never know what you mean when you say things like this. What is it > that you want for Pharo? I wrote a 40 page vision document just for that. It was not really fun but this i

Re: [Pharo-project] [ANN] ZTimestamp[Precise]SNTPClient

2013-02-26 Thread Frank Shearar
On 26 February 2013 20:48, Esteban A. Maringolo wrote: > 2013/2/26 Frank Shearar : >> On 26 February 2013 20:07, stephane ducasse wrote: >>> There is no magic if as a programmer we do not define the dependencies we >>> cannot do anything. ;) >>> so we should define configurationOf and we will ta

Re: [Pharo-project] [ANN] ZTimestamp[Precise]SNTPClient

2013-02-26 Thread Frank Shearar
On 26 February 2013 20:55, stephane ducasse wrote: > >> >> Oh, did you mean to type "you had no idea IF the package would load"? > > and work. > >> OK, sure, but that's not really SM's fault, that's just the way things >> were. >> >> Nowadays with CI and all sorts of stuff we're (Pharo _and_ Squea

Re: [Pharo-project] [ANN] ZTimestamp[Precise]SNTPClient

2013-02-26 Thread stephane ducasse
> > Oh, did you mean to type "you had no idea IF the package would load"? and work. > OK, sure, but that's not really SM's fault, that's just the way things > were. > > Nowadays with CI and all sorts of stuff we're (Pharo _and_ Squeak, I > mean) in a much better place. There's still the modul

Re: [Pharo-project] [ANN] ZTimestamp[Precise]SNTPClient

2013-02-26 Thread Esteban A. Maringolo
2013/2/26 Frank Shearar : > On 26 February 2013 20:07, stephane ducasse wrote: >> There is no magic if as a programmer we do not define the dependencies we >> cannot do anything. ;) >> so we should define configurationOf and we will take real advantages of them. > Nowadays with CI and all sorts

Re: [Pharo-project] [ANN] ZTimestamp[Precise]SNTPClient

2013-02-26 Thread Frank Shearar
On 26 February 2013 20:07, stephane ducasse wrote: > There is no magic if as a programmer we do not define the dependencies we > cannot do anything. ;) > so we should define configurationOf and we will take real advantages of them. > > Now if you read the vision document you will see what we want

Re: [Pharo-project] [ANN] ZTimestamp[Precise]SNTPClient

2013-02-26 Thread stephane ducasse
There is no magic if as a programmer we do not define the dependencies we cannot do anything. ;) so we should define configurationOf and we will take real advantages of them. Now if you read the vision document you will see what we want: we want a distribution that will be filled up aut

Re: [Pharo-project] [ANN] ZTimestamp[Precise]SNTPClient

2013-02-26 Thread Frank Shearar
On 26 February 2013 19:06, Esteban A. Maringolo wrote: > Hi Frank, > > 2013/2/26 Frank Shearar : >> On 26 February 2013 18:33, Esteban A. Maringolo wrote: >>> But it is true that GitHub is to SmalltakHub what npm/gem is to...? >> >> No. GitHub and SmalltalkHub are repositories. Rubygems for Ruby

Re: [Pharo-project] [ANN] ZTimestamp[Precise]SNTPClient

2013-02-26 Thread Esteban A. Maringolo
Hi Frank, 2013/2/26 Frank Shearar : > On 26 February 2013 18:33, Esteban A. Maringolo wrote: >> But it is true that GitHub is to SmalltakHub what npm/gem is to...? > > No. GitHub and SmalltalkHub are repositories. Rubygems for Ruby (or > clojars for Clojure, or CPAN for Perl) - are like SqueakMap

Re: [Pharo-project] [ANN] ZTimestamp[Precise]SNTPClient

2013-02-26 Thread Frank Shearar
On 26 February 2013 18:33, Esteban A. Maringolo wrote: > 2013/2/26 Marcus Denker : >> On Feb 26, 2013, at 5:33 PM, "Esteban A. Maringolo" >> wrote: > >>> If you count the number of packages in SmalltalkHub and compare them >>> to the ones in Npmjs.org, it is impressive how much we have. >> But i

Re: [Pharo-project] [ANN] ZTimestamp[Precise]SNTPClient

2013-02-26 Thread Sven Van Caekenberghe
On 26 Feb 2013, at 17:18, Marcus Denker wrote: > On Feb 26, 2013, at 4:57 PM, stephane ducasse > wrote: > >> I love the complete ecosystem you are step by step building. >> This is so great! > > Yes! Just imagine we continue like that… we are now (slowly, slowly) reaching > a point > where

Re: [Pharo-project] [ANN] ZTimestamp[Precise]SNTPClient

2013-02-26 Thread Esteban A. Maringolo
2013/2/26 Marcus Denker : > On Feb 26, 2013, at 5:33 PM, "Esteban A. Maringolo" > wrote: >> If you count the number of packages in SmalltalkHub and compare them >> to the ones in Npmjs.org, it is impressive how much we have. > But isn't "package" more like "repository" on smalltalkhub? It is a

Re: [Pharo-project] [ANN] ZTimestamp[Precise]SNTPClient

2013-02-26 Thread stephane ducasse
Serge what is important is to produce configuration for the projects. We are working on a tool to help us with that but this is not ready yet. >> > > This is a great strength of programming languages like Ruby or JavaScript/Node > to propose large repositories of packages that could be installed

Re: [Pharo-project] [ANN] ZTimestamp[Precise]SNTPClient

2013-02-26 Thread stephane ducasse
I like a lot this prediction and we will see that it will start to happen in Pharo3.0 Stef On Feb 26, 2013, at 5:18 PM, Marcus Denker wrote: > > On Feb 26, 2013, at 4:57 PM, stephane ducasse > wrote: > >> I love the complete ecosystem you are step by step building. >> This is so great! >>

Re: [Pharo-project] [ANN] ZTimestamp[Precise]SNTPClient

2013-02-26 Thread Serge Stinckwich
On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 5:39 PM, Marcus Denker wrote: > > On Feb 26, 2013, at 5:33 PM, "Esteban A. Maringolo" > wrote: > >> 2013/2/26 Marcus Denker : >>> >>> On Feb 26, 2013, at 4:57 PM, stephane ducasse >>> wrote: >>> I love the complete ecosystem you are step by step building. This

Re: [Pharo-project] [ANN] ZTimestamp[Precise]SNTPClient

2013-02-26 Thread Marcus Denker
On Feb 26, 2013, at 5:33 PM, "Esteban A. Maringolo" wrote: > 2013/2/26 Marcus Denker : >> >> On Feb 26, 2013, at 4:57 PM, stephane ducasse >> wrote: >> >>> I love the complete ecosystem you are step by step building. >>> This is so great! > >> Yes! Just imagine we continue like that… we ar

Re: [Pharo-project] [ANN] ZTimestamp[Precise]SNTPClient

2013-02-26 Thread Esteban A. Maringolo
2013/2/26 Marcus Denker : > > On Feb 26, 2013, at 4:57 PM, stephane ducasse > wrote: > >> I love the complete ecosystem you are step by step building. >> This is so great! > Yes! Just imagine we continue like that… we are now (slowly, slowly) reaching > a point > where for the first time we can

Re: [Pharo-project] [ANN] ZTimestamp[Precise]SNTPClient

2013-02-26 Thread Marcus Denker
On Feb 26, 2013, at 4:57 PM, stephane ducasse wrote: > I love the complete ecosystem you are step by step building. > This is so great! > Yes! Just imagine we continue like that… we are now (slowly, slowly) reaching a point where for the first time we can really build on top of the foundation

Re: [Pharo-project] [ANN] ZTimestamp[Precise]SNTPClient

2013-02-26 Thread stephane ducasse
I love the complete ecosystem you are step by step building. This is so great! Stef On Feb 26, 2013, at 1:42 PM, Sven Van Caekenberghe wrote: > Hi, > > It is often important, especially for server applications, to know if the > current local clock is still OK. The standard way for doing that

[Pharo-project] [ANN] ZTimestamp[Precise]SNTPClient

2013-02-26 Thread Sven Van Caekenberghe
Hi, It is often important, especially for server applications, to know if the current local clock is still OK. The standard way for doing that is part of NTP (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Network_Time_Protocol). I implemented two SNTP clients (one with ZTimestamp's second precision and another