Re: [Pharo-users] [Pharo-dev] Could we keep Pharo-dev for Pharo-dev?

2015-01-15 Thread Serge Stinckwich
+1 On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 8:24 AM, stepharo wrote: > Hi guys > > I will start to be picky about the mails to which I reply or even read. > We should be more disciplined. Pharo-dev should be about Pharo-dev this is > important > for our concentration. > I really like the other discussions but we

Re: [Pharo-users] Could we keep Pharo-dev for Pharo-dev?

2015-01-15 Thread Norbert Hartl
Absolutely! Norbert > Am 15.01.2015 um 08:24 schrieb stepharo : > > Hi guys > > I will start to be picky about the mails to which I reply or even read. > We should be more disciplined. Pharo-dev should be about Pharo-dev this is > important > for our concentration. > I really like the other d

Re: [Pharo-users] Could we keep Pharo-dev for Pharo-dev?

2015-01-15 Thread Sven Van Caekenberghe
> On 15 Jan 2015, at 08:24, stepharo wrote: > > Hi guys > > I will start to be picky about the mails to which I reply or even read. > We should be more disciplined. Pharo-dev should be about Pharo-dev this is > important > for our concentration. > I really like the other discussions but we sho

Re: [Pharo-users] [Pharo-dev] Could we keep Pharo-dev for Pharo-dev?

2015-01-15 Thread Serge Stinckwich
On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 9:38 AM, Sven Van Caekenberghe wrote: > >> On 15 Jan 2015, at 08:24, stepharo wrote: >> >> Hi guys >> >> I will start to be picky about the mails to which I reply or even read. >> We should be more disciplined. Pharo-dev should be about Pharo-dev this is >> important >> f

Re: [Pharo-users] Could we keep Pharo-dev for Pharo-dev?

2015-01-15 Thread kilon alios
does that mean that announcing new pharo tools that are included in the standard pharo distribution should go to pharo-users ? On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 9:24 AM, stepharo wrote: > Hi guys > > I will start to be picky about the mails to which I reply or even read. > We should be more disciplined. P

Re: [Pharo-users] Could we keep Pharo-dev for Pharo-dev?

2015-01-15 Thread Norbert Hartl
To me it goes like that: - pharo-dev is used by people that discuss, develop, bug fix the pharo image itself - pharo-users is used by people that maybe just want to download pharo and work with it not interested in the detailed internal things - a pharo-dev person is very likely subscribed to ph

Re: [Pharo-users] Making objects persistent

2015-01-15 Thread Ben Coman
Store the objects in an array in a class variable. To delete, just nil the class variable. On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 3:44 PM, jtuc...@objektfabrik.de < jtuc...@objektfabrik.de> wrote: > Sergio, > > I'D say you first need to define what you mean by "persistent" If all you > need is to have them sur

[Pharo-users] InfoWorld on Redline Smalltalk

2015-01-15 Thread Stephan Eggermont
continued from pharo-dev, please keep discussion here. The smalltalk on jvm situation is exactly like it shouldn't be. There are three implementations, not working together: - RTalk - Gravel - Redline The first two are driven by existing commercial smalltalk users coming from a platform that they

Re: [Pharo-users] [Pharo-dev] InfoWorld on Redline Smalltalk

2015-01-15 Thread Esteban A. Maringolo
El ene 15, 2015 8:55 AM, "Sebastian Sastre" escribió: > > >> On Jan 14, 2015, at 9:44 PM, Esteban A. Maringolo wrote: >> >> Shaking the hive can certainly have a positive outcome, but you can also get you bitten. :) > > > And what’s the news on that? > > The world is full of people paralysed by f

Re: [Pharo-users] [Pharo-dev] InfoWorld on Redline Smalltalk

2015-01-15 Thread Johan Fabry
I don’t know the entire context of the discussion (i’m not following Pharo-dev, where this came from apparently.) But I would like to point out that it is wrong to think of Spec as an abandoned project! Spec is here to stay, and hopefully for a very long time. > On Jan 15, 2015, at 09:08, Este

Re: [Pharo-users] Making objects persistent

2015-01-15 Thread sergio_101
Hi, all.. these are all ideas that make sense, and for the sake of any new people coming to pharo/smalltalk, i want to clarify just a little bit more what i am actually doing. i am setting up a new site that needs to have a bunch of data available at all times. something like.. products, product

[Pharo-users] Stackoverflow, was: [Pharo-dev] Could we keep Pharo-dev for Pharo-dev?

2015-01-15 Thread Stephan Eggermont
Serge wrote: >Shall we move the discussion to pharo-users instead ? Yep. >I was not aware of that. Do you have recent examples about this behaviour ? The last closed question was fine. Flagging it just gets clueless moderator replies: "declined - The question really needs to be fleshed out.

Re: [Pharo-users] Becoming proficient in Pharo

2015-01-15 Thread nacho
Master kilon, thank you very much. This is an excellent videcast. As always with your videos a lot of questions arise after watching them! I really appreciate you taking the time to put this togheter. Cheers nacho - Nacho Smalltalker apprentice. Buenos Aires, Argentina. -- View this message

[Pharo-users] [ Book Review ] Lauren Ipsum

2015-01-15 Thread Sven Van Caekenberghe
Every now and then you come across a book that is special. A couple that I remember are 'Structure and Interpretation of Computer Programs' by Harold Abelson and Gerald Jay Sussman for its high level of abstraction over petty details and its breath of subjects, 'The Little Schemer' by Daniel Fr

Re: [Pharo-users] [ Book Review ] Lauren Ipsum

2015-01-15 Thread Bernat Romagosa
This book is a must read! I use many of its metaphors all the time when teaching! :) It just takes an afternoon to read it, don't miss it. 2015-01-15 16:28 GMT+01:00 Sven Van Caekenberghe : > Every now and then you come across a book that is special. > > A couple that I remember are 'Structure a

Re: [Pharo-users] Could we keep Pharo-dev for Pharo-dev?

2015-01-15 Thread Jimmie Houchin
+1 All Pharo discussions have taken place on this mailing for a long time. Even after starting pharo-users, for people who were already longtime readers of this list favored this list for any and all discussions concerning Pharo. It will be a culture shift for longtime Pharo users, lurkers. I

Re: [Pharo-users] Useful tools?

2015-01-15 Thread laura
How was it implemented? Were you building it as an additional package for the system? How would it support browsability and discoverability? I had in mind a wiki-like catalog hosted on the official page composed by: -A tree of categories (like http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_software_categor

Re: [Pharo-users] Useful tools?

2015-01-15 Thread Alexandre Bergel
Looks like to be a spam… Alexandre -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. > On Jan 15, 2015, at 1:57 PM, laura wrote: > > How was it implemented? Were you building it as an additional packa

Re: [Pharo-users] Notification on GC of an object?

2015-01-15 Thread Henrik Johansen
> On 14 Jan 2015, at 11:29 , Ben Coman wrote: > > what if the object stores a reference to itself? then you can access it from > the shadow copy? GC notification is triggered *after* objects are removed, so even if that were to work*, it'd be nil at the time the executor got around to being n

Re: [Pharo-users] Becoming proficient in Pharo

2015-01-15 Thread kilon alios
Thank you , it means great deal to me to help people appreciate what excites me about Pharo and the debugger is No1 reason for me and I suspect for the majority of Pharo developers too. I actually have my own questions too that I will try to answer with my next video, these videos are an opportunit

Re: [Pharo-users] Stackoverflow, was: [Pharo-dev] Could we keep Pharo-dev for Pharo-dev?

2015-01-15 Thread kilon alios
Yeah StackOverflow has serious issues with moderation but still that does not change the fact that is a popular site where tons of developers go there to find answers to their questions. I asked my own questions on SO about Pharo and so far I have not been disappointed. On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 4:5

Re: [Pharo-users] Stackoverflow, was: [Pharo-dev] Could we keep Pharo-dev for Pharo-dev?

2015-01-15 Thread Daniel Lyons
kilon alios writes: > Yeah StackOverflow has serious issues with moderation but still that does > not change the fact that is a popular site where tons of developers go > there to find answers to their questions. I asked my own questions on SO > about Pharo and so far I have not been disappointed

Re: [Pharo-users] Stackoverflow, was: [Pharo-dev] Could we keep Pharo-dev for Pharo-dev?

2015-01-15 Thread Martin Bähr
Excerpts from Daniel Lyons's message of 2015-01-15 19:47:22 +0100: > The Prolog section does pretty well by having a small but significant > community that watch the Prolog tag like hawks. something like rss2email could be used to forward stackoverflow questions to the list, so that they'll be not

Re: [Pharo-users] Making objects persistent

2015-01-15 Thread Paul DeBruicker
Here is another approach: http://forum.world.st/Best-practices-available-for-Seaside-Gemstone-tp2721023p2901998.html sergio_101 wrote > I am building a seaside application, and am in the process of building my > models and unit tests. > > I have a few objects that build up my data by creating o

Re: [Pharo-users] Could we keep Pharo-dev for Pharo-dev?

2015-01-15 Thread Hilaire
Indeed, as far as it is about announcing, it makes sense to announce it on pharo-users only. Hilaire Le 15/01/2015 10:07, kilon alios a écrit : > does that mean that announcing new pharo tools that are included in the > standard pharo distribution should go to pharo-users ? > -- Dr. Geo - htt

[Pharo-users] [ANN] A simple debugger for stepping though bytecodes.

2015-01-15 Thread Andrei Chis
Hi all, We've just made a simple debugger for stepping through bytecodes. It's still just the first version so a lot of things can still be improved. More info here: https://chisvasileandrei.wordpress.com/2015/01/15/a-bytecode-debugger/ Cheers, Andrei

[Pharo-users] Roassal and super large screen

2015-01-15 Thread Alexandre Bergel
Dear all, We have reached a milestone today. We have been able to make Roassal display on a super large screen gently provided by INRIA Chile. If there would be a contest on displaying Roassal-made visualizations on the largest (and most expensive) super-screen ever, then we will be on a good

Re: [Pharo-users] [ANN] A simple debugger for stepping though bytecodes.

2015-01-15 Thread Alexandre Bergel
I am quite interested in plugin a Roassal visualization to a debugger. I will discuss with Rosario, but maybe you have worked on something on your side? Would it be hard to have this? Cheers, Alexandre > On Jan 15, 2015, at 6:22 PM, Andrei Chis wrote: > > Hi all, > > We've just made a simpl

Re: [Pharo-users] Notification on GC of an object?

2015-01-15 Thread Johan Fabry
As I’ve been asked, I’ll clarify a bit more. When I said it worked before I was actually wrong because I had forgotten to remove some alternative cleanup code (the alternative works but it’s like using a cannon to kill a fly). This is part of the interpreter for Live Robot Programming that Migu