At 13:36 02/05/2002, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>Some hosters use this feature to have different settigns for different
>customers...
Do you know this for a fact, or is this an estimate?
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At 14:00 02/05/2002, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>On Thu, 2 May 2002, Zeev Suraski wrote:
>
> > At 13:36 02/05/2002, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > >Some hosters use this feature to have different settigns for different
> > >customers...
> >
> > Do you kn
We're not necessarily talking about Win32...
Zeev
At 14:02 02/05/2002, Dan Hardiker wrote:
>At the risk of getting toasted out of the water... do any serious hosters
>use a Win32 enviroment to host on? (who would utilise this way of setting
>different settings for different c
h, but it still doesn't make sense :)
It does (configuration option == configure option, not php.ini option)
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Because it's not efficient enough...
ZE2 is going to have these features built-in in a way that would have no
performance impact.
Zeev
At 14:38 02/05/2002, Sebastian Bergmann wrote:
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > Yeah, I know... but it doesn't belong in ext/ because it
nsions loaded for different servers that run under
> seperate dllhosts.
IMHO the registry is quite enough for that kind of configuration.
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c pointer arithmetic isn't just as crystal
clear as mere simple functions? What kind of a C programmer are you?
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IMHO, the enemy of the good is the better.
We can implement the binary-dir solution in no time, and it covers >95% of
the problems easily, but instead we'll be discussing perfect solutions and
end up doing nothing :)
My 2 agorot.
Zeev
At 08:03 03/05/2002, Markus Fischer wrote:
To make it clear, this *WAS* a joke :)
At 04:36 03/05/2002, Zeev Suraski wrote:
>At 03:58 03/05/2002, Preston L. Bannister wrote:
>>Heh - there's a question :).
>>
>>Looking at the two implementations, which do you think you better
>>understand (with complete ce
structures in there to start selectively loading other files...
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At 08:17 03/05/2002, Stig S. Bakken wrote:
>Does this organization of the 4.3 release sound reasonable?
Yep.
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ount to it, using zend_list_addref(). The
resource ldap_first_entry returns should be responsible for this reference,
and its destructor should call zend_list_delete(). Then, only when no
resources need the resource returned by ldap_read(), it'll be allowed to be
freed.
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At 17:24 03/05/2002, Jim Winstead wrote:
>Zeev Suraski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > We could add it. I just hope people wouldn't start demanding control
> > structures in there to start selectively loading other files...
>
>let's just hope that by the
ce struct (which can be implemented differently for
every database module), and again, as far as I can tell, this is all we need.
What am I missing?
Zeev
At 21:30 21/04/2002, Wez Furlong wrote:
>$xmldoc = domxml_new_xmldoc();
>// populate nodes of document here
>
>// Now render i
At 03:04 04/05/2002, Zeev Suraski wrote:
>One thing that I'm personally don't really understand
reread entire paragraph after rewriting parts of it
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At 12:12 07/05/2002, Wez Furlong wrote:
>On 04/05/02, "Zeev Suraski" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > One thing that I'm personally don't really understand, is what kind of
> > support this needs from the infrastructure. As far as I can tell, we
> coul
We currently have two html_puts()'s - the old zend_html_puts(), and a
relatively new php_html_puts().
Was there any good reason for adding php_html_puts()? It duplicates the
same logic of both zend_html_putc() and zend_html_puts().
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ugh, because that might be illegal.
Do we have any sort of an PHP-ISP-HOWTO? If not, are there any volunteers
to write one? I think it may be a good idea, because Darwinism goes both
ways - if too many people get bitten by PHP, they'll switch to other solutions.
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as already there
when php_html_puts() was introduced, though :)
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At 15:42 12/05/2002, Sascha Schumann wrote:
> The zend-equivalent is painfully slow.
>
> - Sascha Experience IRCG
> http://schumann.cx/http://schuman
> could continue to point to the current zend_html_puts code.
I don't see why it's necessary. If you think buffering phpinfo() is really
necessary, then we can enable buffering for it.
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t in adding a
specialized buffered implementation.
The spaces issue is well implemented in the zend implementation (I also
fixed it in the php_html_puts() implementation, before I removed it; At
some point, it was too much of a deja-vu, which is why I don't like
duplicate implementation
implementation.
Are you using it in some module? Because the only code to currently make
use of it is phpinfo(), and it isn't noticeably slow even in the current
byte-by-byte method...
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I'd *really* like to avoid having two copies of the same code,
though. Please remove the duplicated implementation...
Zeev
At 18:24 12/05/2002, Sascha Schumann wrote:
> > What I'm pointing out is that there are no 'inherent flaws' in the 'dog
> > slow'
At 18:34 12/05/2002, Sascha Schumann wrote:
> I favor php_html_puts also due to maintability reasons.
> Please consider this part of code from zend_html_puts:
>
> && !(((ptr+1)>=end) || (*(ptr+1)==' ')) /* next is not a space */
> && !((ptr==s) || (*(ptr-1)==' ')))
req/s
I still don't think that we should care too much about the performance of
this function, but if decide that we do, then turning it into a function
pointer is not exactly the right thing to do :)
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I messed up on the test, I left output buffering enabled for tests 2 and
3. So you can see that using output buffering on top of the global output
buffering (whether specialized or not) slows you down by about 30%.
However, to be fair, the numbers w/o global output buffering enabled:
Speciali
This trace isn't meaningful...
At 20:36 12/05/2002, Sebastian Bergmann wrote:
> Can't tell how to reproduce this, it occurs when working with Harald's
> form validation system, which is built on top of PEAR::XML_Transformer:
>
>NTDLL! 778cb892()
>NTDLL! 778cb733()
>shutdown_memory_manager(int
At 21:33 12/05/2002, Sebastian Bergmann wrote:
>Zeev Suraski wrote:
> > This trace isn't meaningful...
>
> I know. How would I produce a more useful one?
It's probably not possible - the best thing to do is to try to cut down the
script to the smallest one that sti
We can check it at the ini handler level.
We can either forbid modifying error_log from userspace (denying
PHP_INI_USER), deny it only in safe mode, or even apply the safe mode
restriction at that level.
At 00:25 13/05/2002, Rasmus Lerdorf wrote:
>Not quite sure how to fix this one. It's not
ople to use
CGI (and fast CGI as a performance solution) is probably the only way to
go. And I agree with Stig that PHP 5.0 would be the right point in time to
do that.
Zeev
At 08:54 13/05/2002, Jason Greene wrote:
>On Mon, 2002-05-13 at 00:41, Ilia A. wrote:
> > > disable_function
>CGI cannot be "offered" to customers and where PHP is the only option.
I don't think you understood the context. We're talking about the PHP CGI,
not CGI in general.
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We already tried our best to optimize most of the functions that show up in
profiling. Not surprisingly, they are mostly the infrastructure functions...
What profiler are you using? If it's under Linux, chances are it's
*extremely* inaccurate. Profiling under Linux is horrible.
Z
exact numbers, but the functions are more
or less the same).
Zeev
At 18:43 13/05/2002, Rasmus Lerdorf wrote:
>I did specify the profiler on line 4 of the message. And it is a pretty
>good one actually.
>
>On Mon, 13 May 2002, Zeev Suraski wrote:
>
> > We already tried our be
lation overhead wasn't playing a role.
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zval strings must be NULL terminated, even if they contain binary
data. The str.val.len property represents the length of the string w/o the
terminating NULL.
Zeev
At 16:39 14/05/2002, Robert Cummings wrote:
>brad lafountain wrote:
> >
> > Well i do believe that the zval s
x27;s
not impossible to make it reliable, but I believe it's not humanely
possible either...
In a perfect world, ISPs would have used chroot'd environments always,
running either CGI's or dedicated Apache's. But then, we're on Earth...
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php4' directory will be used
rem 3) "cvsup", which is like "cvs", except the CVS repository
remwill be updated first
rem
rem Author: Zeev Suraski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
rem Defaults
set configuration=Release_TS
set build_type=/rebuild
if "%1" == "
ce garbage collection to run while I'm in a deep
>recursion?
Whatever you register into the standard data structures, EG(symbol_table)
included, is taken care of by the engine. In that case, the old value will
be destroyed as soon as you replace it in the 2nd SET_SYMBOL call.
If you're using it internally, then you're responsible for it
until you return from your code.
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If you're adding elements to a hash you created using array_init(), and
you're using the standard macros (which apparently you are) - then yes, the
engine will take care of garbage collection for you.
At 09:27 PM 5/17/2002, Robert Cummings wrote:
>Zeev Suraski wrote:
> >
&
EX(function_state).function is supposed to be a pointer to the op_array
that you passed to execute().
Any chance the op_array is somehow deleted by mistake? Did you try looking
at EX(function_state) and EX(function_state).function to understand why
it's dying?
At 03:02 PM 5/19/2002, Wez Furlo
Wild guess, but did you load an extension using dl() in the file that crashed?
Zeev
At 15:23 21/05/2002, Dave Brotherstone wrote:
>Hi,
> I've got a particular script that seg-faults when certain parts of it run
>(tested with 4.1.0 and 4.2.1, both CGI and Apache module).
>
yway, perception is everything. If people look for web services, then
IMHO, that's what they should find.
Just wondering though, why not use the wonderful idea of aliases and have both?
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I think, by the way, that this could be a good time to drop the php- prefix
from new mailing list names. Do we really need to point out that it's PHP
related, when the domain is lists.php.net? :)
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At 00:20 24/05/2002, Lukas Smith wrote:
>Shane also did not like the term and I
other usages. The specifics of SOAP are really beside the point
here, for all practical purposes, SOAP has everything to do with the web.
Anyway, it was just an anecdote, if you think it has nothing to do with the
web, it's your right.
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ease. The packager should have a
list of those, and there should be some sort of an easy way for him to
import the latest *stable* version of the extension. That way,
non-esoteric PECL'd extensions do get to have their own release cycle while
still being included in the PHP distribution.
Ze
500K.
> >
> > I still think 500kb is too much for something the most ppl already have
> > installed.
>
>Having a too old version installed doesn't help much in this case. :-)
>
>If Brad is able to trim down libxml2 to a reasonable size, I'm +1
Same here.
Ze
have
>installed.
How do you figure that most people have it installed?
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portant, and we were fed off the "Call to
undefined function" calls on php-general.
I don't see why it's a problem to bundle libxml2 at all. It doesn't have
to be in our CVS, we can integrate it into the makedist procedure, provided
Brad can automate his trim-down pro
Just an overall reply to a point you're making - yes, making the user
download and build something if he wants to use XML is really a con, in my
opinion.
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ee ready for development. From
what I hear, putting libxml in our CVS is really a bad thing to do, because
it's a very active project.
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, is a good reason for us to bundle a
stable version of libxml rather than support all versions out there)
We need to address the symbol clash issue, and that's about it.
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a lot more average users than there are purists.
That said, XML is the ASCII of this age, which makes it more important to
enable than any of the other modules that you mentioned.
Zeev
At 03:08 AM 6/1/2002, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>On Sat, 1 Jun 2002, Yasuo Ohgaki wrote:
>
>[...]
>
hink of a
way to support the local library, probably in the same way we handle
MySQL. If not - I see no problem in always using the bundled library,
regardless of what's already installed - on the contrary, I see a fairly
big advantage.
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dealing with; The symbol-clashes issue should be
checked, we may be able to fix it through versioning; and I see this is as
the perfect solution to the synchronization hell, rather than something
that makes it worse.
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ere are the ones who admire downloading, configuring and
building each of their apps, and then there's the rest of the world who
gets the same job done in a fragment of the time by downloading an RPM or
an InstallShield archive. It's a free world, and we should not try to
educate it.
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mputer language on the planet, for CS majors to drool over and utter
'Wow!' at. It exists as a quick, powerful platform for creating web sites,
in use by hundreds of thousands of people around the world. For some, I
believe, somewhere along the lines this was forgotten..
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;just work', and not mess with
additional downloads, install documents and builds.
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(*) That's a probably a *BIG* understatement.
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I agree with every word.
Zeev
At 12:25 AM 6/2/2002, Shane Caraveo wrote:
>I think PHP can be both powerful and easy to use, and I think I have an
>example of that in my own experience. I've got code I wrote on PHP 2
>years ago, that has gone through a couple face lifts and mo
you away from PHP, but I
reject the attempt to make PHP a flavor of Java, just so that you (or
others) can stay within the community.
PHP can become stronger, but it will NEVER make a shift and become
Java. PHP is PHP, and it's going to stay PHP, with all the benefits and
drawbac
find this sort of functionality useful.
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;m quite
in favour of having XML/SOAP support integrated in, as the origin of this
thread demonstrated. I'm firmly against adding complexity to the language,
I believe we've filled the bucket for at least couple of years with
namespaces and exception handling.
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;ll have your answer.
We can't have it all, there's a price to staying simple. We have a pretty
good mix today, and we're already stirring a bit towards complexity with
PHP 5. It should not become a trend.
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ist only good for guestbooks and very small applications.",
>most people think)
I understand that reverse logic, but reject it completely.
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va or any other
language. private members/methods are an issue of software development
methodologies, and have nothing to do with security.
Zeev
At 11:44 AM 6/3/2002, John Lim wrote:
>Hi Sebastian,
>
>Unfortunately some people are paranoid about security.
>
>We might not want peopl
anding programming styles. And these should NOT be default.
>Those who want them will be able to enable them.
Amen to that!
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nts, $b is FAR more
>inefficient.
In PHP, both use the same amount of memory (very little, roughly two zval's
and two HashTable's).
> AFAIK there are no "multidimentional" arrays in PHP, but the ability to
> create arrays of arrays, which
>while similar in
At 06:03 PM 6/3/2002, Lukas Smith wrote:
>(I wonder why none of them read this
>list and said that they want to make PHP Enterprise ready ...)
You're kidding, right? (it doesn't mean that that's what we're going to do).
Zeev
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At 06:43 PM 6/3/2002, Sebastian Bergmann wrote:
>Zeev Suraski wrote:
> > Amen to that!
>
> Why does Kristian recieve an "Amen to that!" for saying the same things
> I did? :-)
Hmm, because he's bigger? :)
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At 12:34 PM 6/4/2002, Sebastian Bergmann wrote:
>Kristian Koehntopp wrote:
> > "Peace through superior firepower"? That's a trademarked american
> > concept at the moment, I think.
>
> Pax Americana replaced Pax Romana a while ago :)
'cept there's no pax...
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t it should
import all (or most) of Java's features, we (and many others) have a
fundamental gap in our perception of what PHP should be, and how it can
stay competitive.
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't quite believe
> this...
Why not? The thread safe version of PHP is slower, and I think (I'm not
sure) that the filter buffering would slow us down a bit more.
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At 08:26 PM 6/6/2002, brad lafountain wrote:
>--- Zeev Suraski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > At 07:01 PM 6/6/2002, brad lafountain wrote:
> > >Please don't reply to this email saying Use Java... Because php is
> different
> > >than java and al
Aggregation sometimes involves delegation. The 'parent' object delegates
requests to the right aggregated objects (in other cases, the 'parent'
object returns its aggregated objects and you use them directly).
Zeev
At 10:43 PM 6/6/2002, Sebastian Bergmann wrote:
>Andi
Code reusability is a psychological issue. You can reuse code in PHP 4,
and it'll be even better in 5 - PEAR is a clear demonstration of
this. Whether people actually end up reusing code depends on the way they
code, very little does it depend on the language.
Zeev
At 05:27 PM 6/7
be one of the most problematic languages for code reuse in certain
cases.
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ought it'd be cool to point that
out :)
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me OO world, if you will.
Zeev
At 08:41 PM 6/7/2002, brad lafountain wrote:
>--- "Preston L. Bannister" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > From: Ilker Cetinkaya [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > [snip]
> > > but after getting known of the ze2 features, I pe
Brian,
We're on the job. I generally think you're right, we have to do some more
thinking but chances are we will change the shutdown order to be
reversed. Sorry for not ack'ing earlier.
Zeev
At 09:44 PM 6/7/2002, Brian France wrote:
>Zend Engine unloading extension in th
PHP has its own buffering mechanism which can take care of this. Try
output_buffering = 4096 in your php.ini.
Zeev
At 08:33 PM 6/8/2002, Brian Pane wrote:
>Looking at some more syscall call traces, I'm seeing that
>the flush buckets used by php_apache_sapi_ub_write() are
>caus
7;s the
>former (a heap used by many requests), then the problem isn't as easy to
>solve.
We can give it a try certainly, to see if we're in the right direction. I
think that in a real world situation, though, it may result in a
fragmentation problem.
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ace when the
>pool is destroyed.
This is probably not very suitable for PHP. We allocate and free *a lot*,
not being able to free is going to increase memory consumption
significantly. If we use APR heaps, are we bound by this behavior?
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I believe this has been discussed in the past and not ack'd, please read
the php-dev archives...
Zeev
At 10:19 PM 6/9/2002, Ivan Ristic wrote:
>Several days ago I posted a simple patch to the Zend Engine,
>to support automatic class loading. The code is almost completely
>c
an you make them mutexless completely? I.e., will they never call
malloc()?
2. They definitely do provide alloc/free services, we're ok there
3. As far as I can tell, they don't use a contiguous block of memory,
which means more fragmentation...
Zeev
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At 07:29 PM 6/10/2002, Aaron Bannert wrote:
>On Mon, Jun 10, 2002 at 11:46:46AM +0300, Zeev Suraski wrote:
> > What we need for efficient thread-safe operation is a mechanism like the
> > Win32 heaps - mutexless heaps, that provide malloc and free services on a
> > (prefe
If they end up in a circular reference (in this particular case they do,
they usually don't) then you're leaking memory.
Zeev
At 12:10 AM 6/11/2002, brad lafountain wrote:
>I use parent members all the time.. w/zend1
>
> - Brad
>--- Markus Fischer <[EMAIL PROT
There should be a way of doing that within the framework of flex by
redefining YY_INPUT and hacking around flex.
You can, by the way, provide a char * string, that already works today
(look at zend_eval_string() or zend_prepare_string_for_scanning()).
Zeev
At 12:23 AM 6/11/2002, Justin
At 02:29 AM 6/11/2002, Aaron Bannert wrote:
>On Tue, Jun 11, 2002 at 12:38:44AM +0300, Zeev Suraski wrote:
> > There should be a way of doing that within the framework of flex by
> > redefining YY_INPUT and hacking around flex.
>
>I'd love to see this built in to SAP
c.
That's hardly considered a flaw almost anywhere, even in the studies that
tear MI down to pieces. Being able to aggregate at class declaration time
or at the object instantiation time should be well more than enough - being
able to switch aggregated objects after instantiation is not ver
do this by
creating a new object with the requested strategy. The added mess that
dynamically changing the aggregated objects gives you is not worth the
benefit, IMHO.
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er_op(sapi_header_op_enum op, void *arg TSRMLS_DC);
How is it better than add_header_ex()? Or is the main point to avoid
breaking compatibility?
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Thanks for the clarifications. IMHO the advantage does not outweigh the
disadvantages (slower, more cumbersome to use, will require everyone to
implement two interfaces), so personally, I'm -1.
Zeev
At 06:30 PM 6/30/2002, Sascha Schumann wrote:
> > How is it better than ad
At 06:54 PM 6/30/2002, Sascha Schumann wrote:
>On Sun, 30 Jun 2002, Zeev Suraski wrote:
>
> > Thanks for the clarifications. IMHO the advantage does not outweigh the
> > disadvantages (slower, more cumbersome to use, will require everyone to
> > implement two interfaces
Are you sure they're equivalent to symlinks? They only work with
directories as far as I know, which renders them significantly less useful
than UNIX symlinks.
Zeev
At 05:26 PM 7/6/2002, Timo Weingärtner wrote:
>NTFS supports directory junctions which are equivalent to unix syml
at happens when
you use your functions on files? My guess is that they create bogus entries.
Zeev
At 12:30 PM 7/7/2002, Timo Weingärtner wrote:
>As I said they are directory junctions, but they work like symlinks. I
>wanted to ask if you could include it in one of the next versions of
t been determined
either.
Zeev
At 06:29 AM 7/9/2002, Richard Lynch wrote:
>Hey there!
>
>I'm hearing rumors that ZE2 release will happen Fall 2002 and that will make
>it PHP 5.0, not 4.x...
>
>Any comment, on or off record?...
>
>A book publisher I'm work
There's an import statement that's going
to help users bring methods from classes (or nested classes) to the global
scope.
Zeev
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At 07:17 PM 7/9/2002, Melvyn Sopacua wrote:
>At 17:05 9-7-2002, Zeev Suraski shared with all of us:
>
>>Basically, the Zend Engine 2 will allow the use of nested classes. So,
>>classes will be able to contain other classes, as well as constants in
>>addition to variable
At 08:00 PM 7/9/2002, Melvyn Sopacua wrote:
class foo {
> //some code
> require('class_bar.php');
>}
>
>Will that work?
No, that won't work.
Zeev
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el as
v4, which means people should be able to run their PHP 4 scripts without
any modifications, out of the box. We should strive to keep it like this
as much as we can.
Zeev
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