Re: [PHP-DOC] [PHP-WEBMASTER] User notes

2012-08-31 Thread Sherif Ramadan
On Fri, Aug 31, 2012 at 12:49 PM, Philip Olson wrote: > > Although the user notes have been discussed many times*, I reckon > nothing new has been implemented because current ideas either don't > feel right and/or require too much work. So let's define what user > notes are for: > > - Original p

Re: [PHP-DOC] [PHP-WEBMASTER] User notes

2012-08-31 Thread Philip Olson
On Aug 31, 2012, at 9:25 AM, Hannes Magnusson wrote: > On Fri, Aug 31, 2012 at 4:57 PM, Adam Harvey wrote: >> On 31 August 2012 21:56, Daniel Brown wrote: >>> On Fri, Aug 31, 2012 at 6:16 AM, Hannes Magnusson >>> wrote: >>>I don't know exactly what the solution is, but I do believe i

Re: [PHP-DOC] User notes

2012-08-31 Thread Rasmus Lerdorf
On 08/31/2012 08:50 AM, Andrew Faulds wrote: > On 31/08/12 16:41, Rasmus Lerdorf wrote: >> I think that is a terrible idea. Yes there is some junk in there, but >> there are also a lot of useful stuff and it is something most users >> love. With a bit more attention from people we can improve the q

[PHP-DOC] Re: [PHP-WEBMASTER] User notes

2012-08-31 Thread Hannes Magnusson
On Fri, Aug 31, 2012 at 4:57 PM, Adam Harvey wrote: > On 31 August 2012 21:56, Daniel Brown wrote: >> On Fri, Aug 31, 2012 at 6:16 AM, Hannes Magnusson >> wrote: >>> >> I don't know exactly what the solution is, but I do believe it is >> best managed in-house. > > On that, there seems to be

Re: [PHP-DOC] Re: [PHP-WEBMASTER] User notes

2012-08-31 Thread Andrew Faulds
On 31/08/12 16:57, Adam Harvey wrote: So, assuming we're going to keep notes as seems to be the consensus so far: what can we do to make them more manageable? (Yes, I'll help write code.) Hmm, on second thoughts, something like StackOverflow's "community wiki" posts might be good. Being able to

[PHP-DOC] Re: [PHP-WEBMASTER] User notes

2012-08-31 Thread Adam Harvey
On 31 August 2012 21:56, Daniel Brown wrote: > On Fri, Aug 31, 2012 at 6:16 AM, Hannes Magnusson > wrote: >> >> It isn't scaling, but we do have crapload of people with php.net >> karma, and all of them have the ability to edit/reject notes.. Most >> simply don't know it. >> I think we should try

Re: [PHP-DOC] User notes

2012-08-31 Thread Andrew Faulds
On 31/08/12 16:41, Rasmus Lerdorf wrote: I think that is a terrible idea. Yes there is some junk in there, but there are also a lot of useful stuff and it is something most users love. With a bit more attention from people we can improve the quality and I think that could start with a better UI a

Re: [PHP-DOC] User notes

2012-08-31 Thread Rasmus Lerdorf
On 08/31/2012 08:31 AM, Andrew Faulds wrote: > On 31/08/12 08:50, Adam Harvey wrote: >> 2. Kill user notes completely. The new site design (I'm getting to >> that in another e-mail in the not-too-distant future, hopefully) has >> more prominent links for reporting bugs and going to the online >> ed

Re: [PHP-DOC] User notes

2012-08-31 Thread Andrew Faulds
On 31/08/12 08:50, Adam Harvey wrote: Type NotesPercentage Non-useful code sample 3920% Something already in the manual 2613% Support request 2513% Reply to previous note 2211% A

[PHP-DOC] Re: [PHP-WEBMASTER] User notes

2012-08-31 Thread Daniel Brown
On Fri, Aug 31, 2012 at 6:16 AM, Hannes Magnusson wrote: > > It isn't scaling, but we do have crapload of people with php.net > karma, and all of them have the ability to edit/reject notes.. Most > simply don't know it. > I think we should try to reach out the individual extension > maintainers an

Re: [PHP-DOC] User notes

2012-08-31 Thread pedram salehpoor
> > As a normal user who copy pastes from the comments > keep > > Just because the supply of good v bad is a low percentage > does not mean the system is bad > > I agree. User notes have saved me lots of times when it seemed everything is impossible. I remember that I proposed to change the system

Re: [PHP-DOC] User notes

2012-08-31 Thread Dave Caroline
As a normal user who copy pastes from the comments keep Just because the supply of good v bad is a low percentage does not mean the system is bad Dave Caroline long time lurker

[PHP-DOC] Re: [PHP-WEBMASTER] User notes

2012-08-31 Thread Hannes Magnusson
On Fri, Aug 31, 2012 at 8:50 AM, Adam Harvey wrote: > 1. No change. As things stand, the only people who seem to look > regularly at the new notes are Dan and myself, with a few others > (including Sherif, Nikita and Peter) cleaning out particular pages. If > you pick a reasonably commonly hit pa

[PHP-DOC] User notes

2012-08-31 Thread Adam Harvey
tl;dr: I am become death, the destroyer of user notes. (I hope.) Hi everyone, As many of you know, user notes have been a long-standing hobby horse for me. About six weeks ago, I decided to do something useful about them, and subscribed to the mailing list to try to help moderate the stream of in