> I'd like to hook this up to the Palm Java conduit code. To do that I need
> to be able to call the parser and then write the records to the conduit
> instead of the disk. I did this in C++ by creating a new subclass of the
> writer and using that instead of the pdbwriter. Do you think this wi
Robert, thanks for the info. I have created conduits before (specifically
a C++ version of the parser) so I plan to look into using Bill's Java
parser and the Java CDK. I definitely plan to look for the channels
created by the desktop version when syncing. I do plan to use the general
conduit
>I'm going to put out the 1.2beta12 parser as a Java jar file this week,
>so you can try that one, too.
Great, just let know. I've also used Java extensively if you need any dev
work done on it. Can you also send the java files or include them in the
jar in case I need to see the source code?
>Sure thing. All that would be needed is the commandline that is required.
Command line is just about the same. Assuming Bill hasn't changed anything
since the last version, an example would be:
java -classpath plucker-build2.jar pluckit -V 2 --maxheight=50
--maxwidth=50 --bpp=4 --noimages -P .
[Danger: wildly OT. May injure passers-by.]
David A. Desrosiers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> [...] and before that, it was called "message bases" back in the BBS
> world, and 'mail' on the vax. [...]
Ooooh, the vax. I remember them taking phone away from ours one September.
On the subject of
> Any chance of making the 64k limit configurable in the desktop for those of
> us with "Grown-up" devices (you know what I mean 8^) ) or is it configurable
> and I missed it?
No, that would create odd problems when that file gets sync'ed to a Palm.
The right thing to do is to design and impleme
On Tue, Sep 24, 2002, Wesley Mason wrote:
> Does anyone have an idea?
Checking the mail archive is always a good idea ;-)
http://www.mail-archive.com/plucker-dev%40rubberchicken.org/msg03005.html
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Found the e-mail about people with 2.53 autoconf having sed problems in
the archive. I downgraded to 2.13 and it compiled and installed fine.
I am now running plucker_1_2. I'll be testing this against the desktop
install I have here.
Thanks
--Wes
Wesley Mason said:
> Does anyone have an id
Bill,
I'm going to put out the 1.2beta12 parser as a Java jar file this week,
so you can try that one, too.
Bill
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> I could easily whip out a (GPL) program to do this, but it would be in VB,
> and not very cross-platform. I'll look for some alternatives if that sounds
> like a good idea to everyone.
Actually, if you're a VB hacker, Python wouldn't be hard to learn.
It's an interesting idea. I've talked wit
Does anyone have an idea?
--Wes
Wesley Mason said:
>
> It seems to hang when running sed with one of it's files.
>
> This is from the sed file:
>
> -
> :t
> /@[a-zA-Z_][a-zA-Z_0-9]*@/!b
> s,@PPMQUANT@,/usr/local/bin/ppmquant,;t t
> s,@PPMTOTBMP@,,;t t
> s,@MOGRIFY@,/usr/local/bin/mogrify,;
Greg,
I'd love to have better documentation. I'm currently working on the man
page for plucker-build, documenting the config-file labels it considers.
But .pluckerrc could easily use its own man page, and documentation for
the Windows platform would also be great.
Bill
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On 24 Sep 2002 at 13:34, Fringe Ryder wrote:
> At 09:00 PM 9/24/2002 +0100, Robert O'Connor wrote:
> >On 24 Sep 2002 at 11:59, Fringe Ryder wrote:
> >
> > > The document for setting up an MSVC compile of PluckerDesktop is at:
> > >http://www.kittycentral.net/Plucker/Plucker_msvc.html
> >
> >
At 09:00 PM 9/24/2002 +0100, Robert O'Connor wrote:
>On 24 Sep 2002 at 11:59, Fringe Ryder wrote:
>
> > The document for setting up an MSVC compile of PluckerDesktop is at:
> >http://www.kittycentral.net/Plucker/Plucker_msvc.html
>
>This looks great Troy. Nice work!
>Your instructions and mak
On 24 Sep 2002 at 11:59, Fringe Ryder wrote:
> The document for setting up an MSVC compile of PluckerDesktop is at:
>http://www.kittycentral.net/Plucker/Plucker_msvc.html
This looks great Troy. Nice work!
Your instructions and makefile will get put into the project straight away.
Best wish
> IMHO, I think what is missing is a conduit (probably using
> the Plucker desktop channels & options) to make it a one step process (once
> the channels are set up). I think we are close to this too.
Hi Bill,
You are 100% on the mark.
A conduit now for update-when-hit-button is pretty short
At 08:55 PM 9/24/2002 +0200, Michael Nordström wrote:
>Maybe we should post a message now and then with etiquette guidelines
>to the mailing lists...
>
>/Mike
I think you should, and also put pointers to the list-faq at:
http://lists.rubberchicken.org/mailman/listinfo
http://li
On 24 Sep 2002 at 9:05, Bill Nalen wrote:
> Robert, can we have an option to use the Python parser or Bill's Java
> parser? As I mentioned earlier, the Java parser seems to allow me to pluck
> content from my intranet using authentication and the Python one doesn't.
Sure thing. All that would b
At 02:28 PM 9/24/2002 -0400, David A. Desrosiers wrote:
> > It's ready to be posted up, along with a project file (a text
> > makefile-type dohicky for MSVC.)
>
> Put it online so we can see it.
The document for setting up an MSVC compile of PluckerDesktop is at:
http://www.kittycentr
> Maybe we should post a message now and then with etiquette guidelines to
> the mailing lists...
Or a link to one.. I'll drop something about it on the "Mailing
List" section of the new site. Good call.
d.
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On Tue, Sep 24, 2002, Michael Nordström wrote:
> When I wrote "force them to put the reply at the top of the message"
> I meant that their mail client seems to force them to do that, not
> that I want them to do that ;-)
And just to avoid any confusion of what I really mean I think the
following
On 24 Sep 2002 at 19:20, Nicolas Huillard wrote:
> I'm looking for somewhere to find pretty icons for the editor (blue on gray
> ones are not very good; not that would make better ones myself) :
> * is there somewhere a library of free icons to pick from ?
> * did someone already picked on this
There's also this reference to quoting.
http://www.tuxedo.org/~esr/jargon/jargon.html#Email%20Quotes
Bill
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> When you start your own mailing list (or write your own program) you can
> use your own standard ;-)
That's the great thing about standards.. there's so many to choose
from.
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> It's ready to be posted up, along with a project file (a text
> makefile-type dohicky for MSVC.)
Put it online so we can see it.
> Should I pass it by anyone for review, style-checking, etc? Or just check
> them into CVS in the plucker_desktop/docs area?
If only you were so
On Tue, Sep 24, 2002, Fringe Ryder wrote:
> It used to -be- proper etiquette to quote at the top, both for
> usenet and email.
It still is.
When I wrote "force them to put the reply at the top of the message"
I meant that their mail client seems to force them to do that, not
that I want them t
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> Well, you youngsters have it wrong.
Once again, you make assumptions about our age. Don't go there.
> It used to -be- proper etiquette to quote at the top, both for usenet and
> email. The reason: our connections were a lot slower and
I've gotten it compiling and running, have a few smallish issues (no answer
back from Robert on any of them), but seems solid. I've written up the
process in HTML, step-by-step. It's ready to be posted up, along with a
project file (a text makefile-type dohicky for MSVC.)
Should I pass it by
At 06:46 PM 9/24/2002 +0200, Michael Nordström wrote:
>Sorry to say it, but I predict that the more Windows users we get the
>more "crap" we will see on our mailing lists. Somehow it seems that
>the mail clients available to Windows users prevents them from using
>a proper quoting of the messages
Thanks...
I managed to get it about 5 minutes ago. Took a couple trips into the
--help options.
I still have a problem where is hangs on creating the makefile (see my
prior post on this)
--Wes
David A. Desrosiers said:
>
>> cvs server: cannot find module `plucker_1_2' - ignored
>> cvs [check
> cvs server: cannot find module `plucker_1_2' - ignored
> cvs [checkout aborted]: cannot expand modules
> Also, did not like -r in the middle like that... moved it to the
> beginning.
My original syntax was wrong (and from memory), this is correct:
cvs -z3 -d:pserver:[EMAIL PR
Keeps telling me:
cvs server: cannot find module `plucker_1_2' - ignored
cvs [checkout aborted]: cannot expand modules
Also, did not like -r in the middle like that... moved it to the beginning.
--Wes
Blake Winton said:
>> >> the plucker_1_2 branch contains the current (and working) code.
>> >
I'm looking for somewhere to find pretty icons for the editor (blue on gray
ones are not very good; not that would make better ones myself) :
* is there somewhere a library of free icons to pick from ?
* did someone already picked on this ?
* is there a special requirement for the format of these
On Tue, Sep 24, 2002, David A. Desrosiers wrote:
> I've suggested a "forum" style thingy in the past,
I wouldn't want a forum with discussions and stuff, only a list of
items/tasks; any discussions regarding the tasks should take place
on the mailing lists (IMHO).
/Mike
> -Message d'origine-
> De: Michael Nordström [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Date: mardi 24 septembre 2002 18:46
> > know about you, but I'm already getting ~400 emails a day. I don't need
to
> > read any more.
>
> Sorry to say it, but I predict that the more Windows users we get the
> more
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> I don't think Kevin meant a new mailing list, but a different kind of
> list, i.e. a web-based list of tasks. I don't know how much that will
> help, though, but I guess it's worth a try.
I've suggested a "forum" style thingy in the past,
On Tue, Sep 24, 2002, David A. Desrosiers wrote:
> > That's totally true, but couldn't we have some sort of open list, where
> > all the tasks get listed by people that want things done.
>
> We have that list, two of them. plucker-dev, and plucker-list.
I don't think Kevin meant a new mailin
>Nothing magical, standard cvs commands:
Speaking as a Windows developer all CVS is magical :-) So are things like
patch & diff.
Bill
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> >> the plucker_1_2 branch contains the current (and working) code.
> >
> > Although, I could add the ability to do snaps of the
> > 1.2 branch..
> How about posting the info on how to get it out of the tree for us cvs
> newbies... ;)
Aha! I can answer this one.
Just follow (a slightly mod
> How about posting the info on how to get it out of the tree for us cvs
> newbies... ;)
Nothing magical, standard cvs commands:
cvs -z3 -d:pserver:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/cvs/plucker \
co plucker -r plucker_1_2
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How about posting the info on how to get it out of the tree for us cvs
newbies... ;)
--Wes
David A. Desrosiers said:
>
>> I wouldn't recommend the use of the snapshot (i.e. code from the main
>> trunk) at the moment. I (and that means the viewer code:) is
>> concentrating on the 1.2 release, so
>Actually I meant it as a follow-up to Bill's (I think) question. I'm
quite
>happy letting Plucker do it's think scheduled and then simply press the
>sync button to sync up later. Automated syncs probably wouldn't usually
>work for me, because I'm not that reliable at cradelling the unit.
My p
At 11:18 AM 9/24/2002 -0400, David A. Desrosiers wrote:
> > Is there a way to initiate hotsynching from the desktop? My Palm IIIc
> > doesn't appear to support that in the Palm Desktop.
>
> No, not entirely possible, but you can look into a tool called
>"WarmSync" on Palmgear or google.
> I wouldn't recommend the use of the snapshot (i.e. code from the main
> trunk) at the moment. I (and that means the viewer code:) is concentrating
> on the 1.2 release, so the plucker_1_2 branch contains the current (and
> working) code.
Although, I could add the ability to do snaps of
It seems to hang when running sed with one of it's files.
This is from the sed file:
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:t
/@[a-zA-Z_][a-zA-Z_0-9]*@/!b
s,@PPMQUANT@,/usr/local/bin/ppmquant,;t t
s,@PPMTOTBMP@,,;t t
s,@MOGRIFY@,/usr/local/bin/mogrify,;t t
s,@IMAGEHACKING@,netpbm2,;t t
s,@AUTOCONF@,/usr/local/bin/autoconf,;
On Tue, Sep 24, 2002, Blake Winton wrote:
> The steps:
> 1) I downloaded the latest CVS snapshot from
>http://www.plkr.org/index.pl/snapshot
I wouldn't recommend the use of the snapshot (i.e. code from the
main trunk) at the moment. I (and that means the viewer code:) is
concentrating on the
On Tue, Sep 24, 2002, Tim Wentford wrote:
> Any chance of making the 64k limit configurable in the desktop for those of
> us with "Grown-up" devices
Not possible, since you still have to put it in a Palm database (max
record size is 64k).
/Mike
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> I'm curious to see what you come up with though
There's the Developer's Image Library at
http://sourceforge.net/projects/openil/. I'll try incorporating this into a
windows program. The function I'm looking at is ilBlit, which does all the
standard blitting. This sdk looks like it will be able
On Tue, Sep 24, 2002, Michael Nordström wrote:
> I think the BmpGlue functions will be enough
Yep, using the BmpGlue functions makes it compile and link with both
SDK4 (update1) and SDK5. Whether it will run on an actual Palm OS 5
device is another question, though ;-)
/Mike
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Any chance of making the 64k limit configurable in the desktop for those of
us with "Grown-up" devices (you know what I mean 8^) ) or is it configurable
and I missed it?
> Message: 1
> Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 15:10:18 +0200
> From: Michael =?iso-8859-1?Q?Nordstr=F6m?= <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: [EM
Okay, here's what I had to do to get Plucker
compiling on my system.
Prereqs:
Since I'm a Palm developer by trade, I already
had a full installation of Cygwin and Prc-tools,
which I used to compile several programs.
I also had Python 2.2 installed, both in Windows
(C:\Program Files\Python), and
> Is there a way to initiate hotsynching from the desktop? My Palm IIIc
> doesn't appear to support that in the Palm Desktop.
No, not entirely possible, but you can look into a tool called
"WarmSync" on Palmgear or google. It may do what you're looking for.
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> Without the Plucker desktop, Plucker users have to edit a text file to
> change options, run the parser (which requires Python & Tcl), then sync
> their Palm. There's a lot more user knowledge needed and more room for
> mistakes. I felt like this was only aimed at "power users". I think the
>
I understand, I think. The gripe is that the site-scraping is separate
from the hotsynching.
Since I set up the site-scraping to occur before I wake up, it hadn't
occurred to me that this was an issue. Is there a way to initiate
hotsynching from the desktop? My Palm IIIc doesn't appear to s
> I've heard other people say that, but I don't understand why. Here is the
> part of the GPL that I believe actually specifically allows VB programs to
> be considered GPL:
I wasn't speaking specifically of letter of the license, I was
speaking in the terms of the spirit of the license.
> It wouldn't really be GPL if it required VB to build it.
I've heard other people say that, but I don't understand why. Here is the
part of the GPL that I believe actually specifically allows VB programs to
be considered GPL:
http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.html#WritingFSWithNFLibs
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>This C++ parser could be included in the viewer itself... (that's an old
>thread about online browsing). A stripped-down version of that C++ parser
>could do that... No need to keep it in synch with Python since it would be
>stripped down (no images, etc.).
>Just an idea.
This probably won't w
> >cross-platform. Unless there's a LOT of MFC, usually it's pretty
> >straight-forward in terms of code changes.
>
> No MFC at all. It's pure C++. There's even 2 routines to do the http
> stuff, one using the Win32 functions and one using the BSD socket stuff.
This C++ parser could be included
David, I just started using/getting into the POI project at Apache. They
have a nice page on "Getting Involved". Perhaps you could add something
along these lines so people have a starting point on where to contribute?
I especially like the where to start part.
http://jakarta.apache.org/poi/ge
>Would you mind terribly elaborating what you mean by this? I'm not
>familiar with AvantGo.
Avantgo is a competitor of sorts of Plucker. It allows you to specify html
content to view offline. It works in a different way than Plucker, the
format is proprietary, and it costs money to list conte
On Tue, Sep 24, 2002, Ben Combee wrote:
> PalmSource is supporting direct bitmap structure access for offscreen
> bitmaps using these compatibility headers.
I think the BmpGlue functions will be enough (we only need access to
the width, height, compression type and pixel depth)
/Mike
At 09:34 AM 9/24/2002 -0400, Bill Nalen wrote:
>I think a conduit that read the Plucker desktop setting is all that's
>missing when you compare Plucker to Avantgo.
Would you mind terribly elaborating what you mean by this? I'm not
familiar with AvantGo.
Thanks
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> That's totally true, but couldn't we have some sort of open list, where
> all the tasks get listed by people that want things done. for example,
> the good folks working on the java side might need help with imaging or
> someone else might need so
>Bill, what is the relative speed of the C++ parser/conduit to the current
>Python parser?
They are surprisingly similar. I haven't done anything to try to speed up
the parser though, as I wanted to keep the code looking very similar so
updates would be easy.
>cross-platform. Unless there's a
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> Some sites are low-bandwidth but
> spiral out of control dreadfully-quickly (e.g. BBC, which even if you
> restrict it to the /2
Bill, what is the relative speed of the C++ parser/conduit to the current
Python parser?
I ask because I have written several cross-platform multithreaded TCP/IP
servers (and clients) and could perhaps take a good shot at making it
cross-platform. Unless there's a LOT of MFC, usually it's pre
> See http://www.plkr.org/list/2Q2000/0132.html for one suggestion I made a
> very long time ago (the ascii picture is messed up by the mail archive
> tool, though).
Hand-edited to correct that. I'll be rearchiving these soon.
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That's totally true, but couldn't we have some sort of open list, where
all the tasks get listed by people that want things done. for example,
the good folks working on the java side might need help with imaging or
someone else might need some of the man pages edited.
everyone in the community c
On Tue, Sep 24, 2002, Greg M wrote:
> I am not entirely clear with what is limiting Plucker to 64k images.
An offscreen window can't be bigger than that.
> Would it help to literally divide up the images into slices
> that are all < 64k, then just display them on top of each other, line by
> lin
Greg, in my open-source experience it's best to get to know it and then
dive in where you think it needs the most help.
My guess would be that testing and bug reproductions would probably be
helpful, as would documentation, but that's just my guess. I've started on
a Windows Quick-Start guide
Robert, can we have an option to use the Python parser or Bill's Java
parser? As I mentioned earlier, the Java parser seems to allow me to pluck
content from my intranet using authentication and the Python one doesn't.
I think it would also allow end users to not have to install Python if they
h
> is there a "big fat list" somewhere that we can manage all the tasks or
> where people can pick up on individual items "todo"? then folks like me
> could pick up the slack for an hour, a half day, whatever for a very
> specific task.
Once I'm done with the two items on my current plat
FWIW, I did a lot of work a while back translating the Python code to C++.
This is all done on Windows with VS 6.0. I've got a stand alone parser and
a complete Palm conduit working using this code. We use it every day in
production where I work. I started this to have a real conduit that woul
Just a note for the future Plucker Desktop translators :
Problem :
poEdit replaces the whole .po file when you write it, scrambling it a
little bit : many file identifications on one line are expanded in many
lines. That's not a problem with the file itself or it's structure, but CVS
cannot me
On Tue, Sep 24, 2002, Kevin O'Shaughnessy wrote:
> is there a "big fat list" somewhere that we can manage all the
> tasks or where people can pick up on individual items "todo"?
I think it is better for anyone that wants to contribute to find
something they want to see fixed, post a message to t
On Tue, Sep 24, 2002, Greg M wrote:
> Come to think of it, that's probably a bad idea since there are a
> number of active developers on this project anyway that could do
> the assigning.
You shouldn't expect someone to tell you what to do, because that
will probably never happen in a Free Softwa
> I could easily whip out a (GPL) program to do this, but it would be in VB,
> and not very cross-platform. I'll look for some alternatives if that
> sounds like a good idea to everyone.
It wouldn't really be GPL if it required VB to build it.
d.
I am not entirely clear with what is limiting Plucker to 64k images. I
assume that the problem is that the palm has a 16 bit processor (I really
have no idea). Would it help to literally divide up the images into slices
that are all < 64k, then just display them on top of each other, line by
line?
On Mon, Sep 23, 2002, Fringe Ryder wrote:
> not providing docs on what is required in the form of support
> libraries, headers, and tools.
Hmm, from the REQUIREMENTS and README files,
netpbm 9.15 or later
jpeg header/libraries
python
prc-tools (i.e. m68k-palmos-gcc etc.)
Palm
> is there a "big fat list" somewhere that we can manage all the tasks or
where people can pick up on individual items "todo"?
Well, there's the Plucker bug tracker as a start. (Which for some reason my
link is giving me a non-existent domain error right now..
http://www.gnu-designs.com/bugs/view
At 11:19 PM 9/23/2002 +0200, you wrote:
>On Mon, Sep 23, 2002, Ben Combee wrote:
>
> > Well, can Plucker Viewer be built with the Palm OS SDK 4 Update 1 headers,
>
>As I pointed out there are a few minor issues that prevents that.
>
>In the 1.2 version we use direct access to the field and image
>
actually, i was on the verge yesterday of just such a suggestion!
is there a "big fat list" somewhere that we can manage all the tasks or where people
can pick up on individual items "todo"? then folks like me could pick up the slack
for an hour, a half day, whatever for a very specific task.
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