Re: [PLUG] UPS shopping - attention suspend?

2023-12-30 Thread Keith Lofstrom
On Fri, Dec 29, 2023 at 02:36:00AM -0800, Russell Senior wrote: ... UPS ... > Does anyone have recent experience, either positive or negative, and/or > any advice on replacements. I'd consider a used older model. Since computation equals dodopaddle (er "smart phone") for most of My Fellow Ameri

Re: [PLUG] UPS shopping - attention suspend?

2023-12-30 Thread Ben Koenig
On Saturday, December 30th, 2023 at 12:15 AM, Keith Lofstrom wrote: > ... > > A nearer term goal is to replace all the hard drives in the > house with Samsung terabyte SSDs. My test machines suspend > to SSD in less than two seconds, and reboot in ten. > Suspend doesn't save to your SSD. You

Re: [PLUG] UPS shopping

2023-12-30 Thread Chuck Hast
Google 24v inverter there are boat loads of them for 24v PV systems. Ranging from 300W on up. https://www.amazon.com/24-volt-pure-sine-wave-inverter/s?k=24+volt+pure+sine+wave+inverter If you are planning on running computers and whatnot get a sine wave inverter, many switched PSU's do not like mod

Re: [PLUG] UPS shopping - attention suspend?

2023-12-30 Thread Ted Mittelstaedt
No they won't since like most things there is still a need - it's just a need by professionals who know what the hell they are doing. So yeah, the El-Crapo BackUPSes that look like a messed up power strip with micro-sized batteries and no management ports that keep The PC up long enough for the us

Re: [PLUG] UPS shopping

2023-12-30 Thread Dick Steffens
On 12/30/23 09:30, Chuck Hast wrote: Google 24v inverter there are boat loads of them for 24v PV systems. Ranging from 300W on up. https://www.amazon.com/24-volt-pure-sine-wave-inverter/s?k=24+volt+pure+sine+wave+inverter If you are planning on running computers and whatnot get a sine wave invert

Re: [PLUG] Looking for some WiFi AP Security Advice

2023-12-30 Thread Mark Phillips
Thanks, MC_SEQUOIA for the explanation. My assumption was that HTTPS encrypts the messages between the client browser and server, so one cannot just eavesdrop on the messages back and forth to generate a map of how to intercept and change the messages. Of course, one would have to gain access to

Re: [PLUG] UPS shopping

2023-12-30 Thread Chuck Hast
I am not sure you would have to check on each manufacturer, the best ones are on line double conversion the power goes through the UPS, it is rectified, the battery floats on it and the DC feeds an inverter so that the load never sees mains power. The rest of them are some form of standby/offline U

Re: [PLUG] UPS shopping

2023-12-30 Thread Ted Mittelstaedt
APC BackUPS are modified sine wave and there is no issue with them and your garden variety Dell or HP desktop, but of course you are taking your chances with anything high quality on them. APC SmartUPSes are pure sine wave. They are more expensive. APC makes all of this very clear in their doc

Re: [PLUG] UPS shopping

2023-12-30 Thread Ted Mittelstaedt
The problem with generators is that the frequency is dependent on how fast the rotor spins and the second you put an electrical load on A generator you increase the magnetic field resistance to the armature and the generator slows down. When the generator is the size of a barn at Bonneville Dam

Re: [PLUG] UPS shopping

2023-12-30 Thread Dick Steffens
On 12/30/23 15:29, Chuck Hast wrote: I am not sure you would have to check on each manufacturer, the best ones are on line double conversion the power goes through the UPS, it is rectified, the battery floats on it and the DC feeds an inverter so that the load never sees mains power. The rest of

Re: [PLUG] UPS shopping

2023-12-30 Thread Dick Steffens
On 12/30/23 16:00, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: The problem with generators is that the frequency is dependent on how fast the rotor spins and the second you put an electrical load on A generator you increase the magnetic field resistance to the armature and the generator slows down. When the gener

Re: [PLUG] UPS shopping (pure sine ...)

2023-12-30 Thread Keith Lofstrom
Many laptops have some sort of stereo audio input jack. I can imagine a resistor+capacitor kludge that attenuates the "hot" and "neutral" legs of a power cord down to the stereo input levels. A program on the laptop captures hot and neutral voltage waveforms, differences them, and (somehow) uses

Re: [PLUG] UPS shopping (pure sine ...)

2023-12-30 Thread Ted Mittelstaedt
Wrap about 20-30 turns of wire around one leg of the AC power line and connect both sides to a scope and you have an inductive powerline oscilloscope. Much safer than resistors and capacitors. Also: $32.00 off Amazon: MINIWARE Pocket Oscilloscope DS211, Portable Oscilloscope Mini Size Handheld,

Re: [PLUG] UPS shopping

2023-12-30 Thread Ted Mittelstaedt
Interesting I have a smaller 5000k Generac, gasoline powered also. But it's old-school with the generator output directly feeding single phase 240 power. It runs at 3600rpm and the armature is a 2 pole so the formula yields 60Hz Small generator power is actually -very- clean far cleaner than uti