Re: [PLUG] How we treat the homeless...

2019-09-22 Thread Brian Rohan
Where are you going to go, and when? On Sun, Sep 22, 2019, 10:15 AM wrote: > A society will be judged by how it treats the poor and homeless. I am > saddened by the news that PSU is locking the doors of the engineering > building because of "abuse" by homeless persons. Portland State > Univers

Re: [PLUG] How we treat the homeless...

2019-09-22 Thread michael
Quoting Brian Rohan : Where are you going to go, and when? On Sun, Sep 22, 2019, 10:15 AM wrote: A society will be judged by how it treats the poor and homeless. I am saddened by the news that PSU is locking the doors of the engineering building because of "abuse" by homeless persons. Port

Re: [PLUG] How we treat the homeless...

2019-09-22 Thread Rich Shepard
On Sun, 22 Sep 2019, mich...@robinson-west.com wrote: I hear that San Francisco isn't any better than Portland when it comes to homelessness. A major reason in SF, as in other cities with large homeless populations, is the cost of housing. The Economist (current issue, US section) notes that i

Re: [PLUG] How we treat the homeless...

2019-09-22 Thread John Jason Jordan
On Sun, 22 Sep 2019 10:46:00 -0700 (PDT) Rich Shepard dijo: >This is a continuing, higly complex problem that has no simple >resolution. +1 ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug

Re: [PLUG] How we treat the homeless..

2019-09-22 Thread Mike C.
Michael - I greatly appreciate your sincere concern about houseless folks and how the city or Portland, PSU and the community at large treats them. I've worked in IT most of my life. I've earned over a $100k working for big corps and then walked away in disgust over their insatiable greed only to

Re: [PLUG] How we treat the homeless...

2019-09-22 Thread Jim Karlock
Actually it is a very simple, two tiered, problem: 1. Cost of housing is ONLY in areas with severe restrictions on building on unused land. In Oregon & Washington it is Urban Grown Boundaries. They have doubled cost of rents/ housing. Simple economics - they create a shortage of land, which dr

Re: [PLUG] How we treat the homeless...

2019-09-22 Thread Michael Barnes
On Sun, Sep 22, 2019 at 10:34 AM wrote: > Homeless are people first and foremost and deserving of respect > as such despite their lack of an address to call home. > > Respect is earned, not deserved. As I look around and see the various homeless folks camping under bridges, in parks, blocking bi

Re: [PLUG] How we treat the homeless...

2019-09-22 Thread Denis Heidtmann
Who, then, has the resources to deal with the unpleasantness of trash heaps left by the mentally ill, those who never had the opportunity to learn clean habits, those who no longer give a shit? What is the solution? -Denis On Sun, Sep 22, 2019 at 4:26 PM Michael Barnes wrote: > On Sun, Sep 22,

Re: [PLUG] How we treat the homeless...

2019-09-22 Thread Mike C.
gt; It's pretty disgusting these days. Distros like Debian and Ubuntu > working behind the scenes to sell out the community. Even Mozilla links > up with all those API's, making a weak claim that their use for tracking > is totally different from everyone else's. They sti

Re: [PLUG] How we treat the homeless...

2019-09-22 Thread Jim Karlock
At 06:50 PM 9/22/2019, Mike C. wrote: > View Seattle is Dying on YouTube for one viewpoint on the problem. > > I've seen it, wasn't impressed by nor did I agree wit it because it doesn't address the root cause of alcohol, drug, tobacco and other addictions. Most often addiction is the result of t

Re: [PLUG] How we treat the homeless...

2019-09-22 Thread Brian Rohan
IP tracking, you > > need to start rejecting entire chunks of your OS stack if you want to > > actually get away from google's profile building. > > > > > > It's pretty disgusting these days. Distros like Debian and Ubuntu > > work

Re: [PLUG] How we treat the homeless...

2019-09-22 Thread Ben Koenig
gt; > mechanism if standard DNS configuration fails, and is implemented at > > > compile time. Like you mentioned, it's more than just IP tracking, you > > > need to start rejecting entire chunks of your OS stack if you want to > > > actually get away from google's profile building. > >

Re: [PLUG] How we treat the homeless...

2019-09-22 Thread tomas . kuchta . lists
t; > > > > Another example of OS-level integration is systemd. systemd defaults to > > > > google's nameservers when no others are provided. It's a fallback > > > > mechanism if standard DNS configuration fails, and is implemented at > > > > compile time. Like you mentioned, it's more than just IP tracking, you > &

Re: [PLUG] How we treat the homeless...

2019-09-22 Thread Jim Karlock
e than just IP tracking, you > > > need to start rejecting entire chunks of your OS stack if you want to > > > actually get away from google's profile building. > > > > > > > > > It's pretty disgusting these days. Distros like Debian and Ubuntu

Re: [PLUG] How we treat the homeless...

2019-09-22 Thread Nat Taylor
apps running within that OS, > so > > > > > you have to stop using android. Also stop mentioning it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Not that I'm the best example of this, writing from my gmail > account. > > > > > >

Re: [PLUG] How we treat the homeless...

2019-09-22 Thread Ben Koenig
ll apps running within that OS, > so > > > > > you have to stop using android. Also stop mentioning it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Not that I'm the best example of this, writing from my gmail > account. > > > >

Re: [PLUG] How we treat the homeless...

2019-09-22 Thread Jim Karlock
> > > > Not that I'm the best example of this, writing from my gmail > account. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Another example of OS-level integration is systemd. systemd > defaults to > > > > > google's nameserver

Re: [PLUG] How we treat the homeless...

2019-09-22 Thread Ben Koenig
rts to afford the problem meaningless. >> Tracking >> > > > > that is baked into the OS affects all apps running within that >> OS, so >> > > > > you have to stop using android. Also stop mentioning it. >> > > > > >> > > >

Re: [PLUG] How we treat the homeless...

2019-09-22 Thread Jim Karlock
gt; > > > which renders all efforts to afford the problem meaningless. >> Tracking >> > > > > that is baked into the OS affects all apps running within that >> OS, so >> > > > > you have to stop using android. Also stop mentioning it. >> &

Re: [PLUG] How we treat the homeless...

2019-09-22 Thread Jim Karlock
efforts to afford the problem meaningless. >> Tracking >> > > > > that is baked into the OS affects all apps running within that >> OS, so >> > > > > you have to stop using android. Also stop mentioning it. >> > > > > >> > >

Re: [PLUG] How we treat the homeless...

2019-09-22 Thread Russell Senior
caldav, android, or > >> anything > >> > > > > > else than handles caldav... > >> > > > > > >> > > > > You make some good points, but also demonstrate the level to > which > >> > > > > google is embedded in software development. In recommending ways > >> to get > >> &g

Re: [PLUG] How we treat the homeless...

2019-09-22 Thread Russell Senior
9/22/19 10:41 AM, Thomas Groman wrote: > > >> > > > > > ... When it comes to calendering, NextCloud is great > > >> > > > > > for this. It can provide both a web interface and CalDav > > >> services for > > >> > > > > > integration within Thunderbir

Re: [PLUG] How we treat the homeless...

2019-09-22 Thread Ben Koenig
> >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > On 9/22/19 10:41 AM, Thomas Groman wrote: > > > >> > > > > > ... When it comes to calendering, NextCloud is great > > > >> > > > > > for this. It can provide bot

Re: [PLUG] How we treat the homeless...

2019-09-23 Thread Rich Shepard
On Sun, 22 Sep 2019, Denis Heidtmann wrote: Who, then, has the resources to deal with the unpleasantness of trash heaps left by the mentally ill, those who never had the opportunity to learn clean habits, those who no longer give a shit? What is the solution? Denis, Perhaps group homes with q

Re: [PLUG] How we treat the homeless...

2019-09-23 Thread Rich Shepard
On Mon, 23 Sep 2019, tomas.kuchta.li...@gmail.com wrote: I just googled ... Eschew noun verbification!! Rich ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug

Re: [PLUG] How we treat the homeless...

2019-09-23 Thread John Jason Jordan
On Mon, 23 Sep 2019 06:04:11 -0700 (PDT) Rich Shepard dijo: >> I just googled ... > >Eschew noun verbification!! Nonsense. English can verb anything. ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug

Re: [PLUG] How we treat the homeless...

2019-09-23 Thread Tomas Kuchta
Thanks John, For once in my life, I did not butcher a language! Miracle! LOL -T On Mon, Sep 23, 2019, 12:37 John Jason Jordan wrote: > On Mon, 23 Sep 2019 06:04:11 -0700 (PDT) > Rich Shepard dijo: > > >> I just googled ... > > > >Eschew noun verbification!! > > Nonsense. English can verb anyt

Re: [PLUG] How we treat the homeless...

2019-09-29 Thread tom
On Sun, 22 Sep 2019 16:26:21 -0700 Michael Barnes wrote: > On Sun, Sep 22, 2019 at 10:34 AM wrote: > > > Homeless are people first and foremost and deserving of respect > > as such despite their lack of an address to call home. > > > > > Respect is earned, not deserved. As I look around and