Thus said "Alex Esplin" on Sat, 06 Dec 2008 00:25:19 MST:
> Yes. Ben Bernanke is an idiot. But we're only 8 posts away from 100,
> so keep at it guys. We can do it. I have faith in us.
For your enjoyment:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3u2qRXb4xCU
Andy
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Thus said Charles Curley on Fri, 05 Dec 2008 21:56:21 MST:
> A lot of Austrian economists are to be found, not on campus, but on
> Wall St. making money with investments, Alan Greenspan formerly
> being an example. Peter Schiff is another. Walter Block, at Loyola
> University in New
full disclosure: I work for an ISP
On Fri, 2008-12-05 at 13:23 -0700, Lonnie Olson wrote:
> ISPs have always over subscribed their links.
And be grateful they do! Try to price out a line with dedicated
bandwidth and you'll see it's significantly more expensive. I can't give
you any exact numbers
Thus said Levi Pearson on Fri, 05 Dec 2008 21:17:18 MST:
> The BYU economics department, by the way, is heavily influenced by the
> Chicago school of economic thought. There are also quite a few real
> economists out there who believe in it, while those of the Austrian
> school are a bit har
Yes. Ben Bernanke is an idiot. But we're only 8 posts away from 100,
so keep at it guys. We can do it. I have faith in us.
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Thus said Levi Pearson on Fri, 05 Dec 2008 22:40:52 MST:
> http://www.federalreserve.gov/BOARDDOCS/SPEECHES/2002/20021121/default.htm
Bernanke is anti-prophetic (in 2002). From the article, and I quote:
``A particularly important protective factor in the current environment
is the strength of
Andy Bradford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Thus said Von Fugal on Fri, 05 Dec 2008 11:39:59 MST:
>
>> I'm not at all surprised that's what is taught. But that's my
>> conspiracy side coming in, so I'll be quiet now. ;)
>
> It's no conspiracy really that government (and hence government s
Thus said Kyle Waters on Fri, 05 Dec 2008 12:41:20 MST:
> I just wanted to get input on various wikis.
I've only tried a few, but found MediaWiki to be fairly decent. I didn't
much like twiki, even though it was easier to setup. You'll have to try
a few and see what you think to really learn
Thus said Von Fugal on Fri, 05 Dec 2008 12:39:14 MST:
> I feel that inflation is inevitable in many respects. Well
> distributed, limited inflation is acceptable and manageable.
Are you talking about monetary inflation (the classical definition of
inflation) or the more modern defi
Thus said Von Fugal on Fri, 05 Dec 2008 11:39:59 MST:
> I'm not at all surprised that's what is taught. But that's my
> conspiracy side coming in, so I'll be quiet now. ;)
It's no conspiracy really that government (and hence government schools;
which oddly enough doesn't apply to BYU) fa
Charles Curley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> On Fri, Dec 05, 2008 at 09:17:18PM -0700, Levi Pearson wrote:
>> Andy Bradford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
>>
>> The BYU economics department, by the way, is heavily influenced by the
>> Chicago school of economic thought. There are also quite a few
On Fri, Dec 05, 2008 at 09:17:18PM -0700, Levi Pearson wrote:
> Andy Bradford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> The BYU economics department, by the way, is heavily influenced by the
> Chicago school of economic thought. There are also quite a few real
> economists out there who believe in it, whi
On Fri, Dec 05, 2008 at 10:14:47AM -0700, Nicholas Leippe wrote:
> On Friday 05 December 2008 09:18:21 am Von Grant Fugal wrote:
> > There is less MONEY to go around, but I will say it time and time again,
> > MONEY IS NOT WEALTH!
>
> I agree. Money is not wealth. Money is a means of wealth transf
Charles Curley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Here we have profound disagreement: if it's theft when a private
> individual does it, it's theft when a government does it. Governments
> are composed of people, and morality doesn't magically change just
> because one is anointed king or elected senato
Thus said Von Grant Fugal on Fri, 05 Dec 2008 10:21:01 MST:
> Price inflation IS monetary inflation. The only other way to get price
> inflation is with severe economic downturn. That is to say, a
> pronounced decrease in production, in wealth.
Keep it up, you're starting to sound mor
Andy Bradford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> The same is true of paper money. When you use paper as money, it wears
> two hats; there is a demand for the paper qua money, and there is a
> demand for paper in other uses. In addition, the nominal value of the
> paper money far exceeds the ma
On Fri, Dec 05, 2008 at 09:56:10AM -0700, Nicholas Leippe wrote:
> On Friday 05 December 2008 09:18:21 am Von Grant Fugal wrote:
> > How do you propose to distribute this new money in lockstep with capita
> > changes?
> > Perhaps you could give each newborn an average savings worth of
> > money in
Thus said Nicholas Leippe on Fri, 05 Dec 2008 10:14:47 MST:
> I agree. Money is not wealth. Money is a means of wealth
> transferrence.
Money is a medium of exchange. Wealth (and perhaps more correctly
capital) transfers from those who provide the best stewardship of it.
T
Andy Bradford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Thus said Von Grant Fugal on Fri, 05 Dec 2008 09:18:21 MST:
>
>> You mention astrian economics. I haven't delved to deep into it
>> myself, but from most of my conversations with other subscribers to
>> austrian economics, I was under the dist
Thus said Von Grant Fugal on Fri, 05 Dec 2008 09:18:21 MST:
> You mention astrian economics. I haven't delved to deep into it
> myself, but from most of my conversations with other subscribers to
> austrian economics, I was under the distinct impression my views were
> highly aligned wi
Thus said Nicholas Leippe on Fri, 05 Dec 2008 08:19:46 MST:
> I disagree. I think silver is better as a money than gold for
> precisely the same reason--it is far less scarse than gold.
Both are good for money because they both meet all the requirements. As
a store of value (one propert
On 12/05/2008 01:53 PM, Levi Pearson wrote:
On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 1:36 PM, Wade Preston Shearer
[1]<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On 5 Dec 2008, at 13:18, Stuart Jansen wrote:
I know it's aiming low, but seriously. If you can't find any pros for
using a wiki you either aren't trying very hard
On 5 Dec 2008, at 14:19, Stuart Jansen wrote:
On Fri, 2008-12-05 at 13:54 -0700, Wade Preston Shearer wrote:
How about Google Docs?
Seriously? I've never understood the willingness of some companies to
surrender critical knowledge to the whims of a third party.
Kyle didn't mention that his
On Fri, 2008-12-05 at 15:07 -0700, Wade Preston Shearer wrote:
> I mentioned Google Docs as an example of a better solution, not to
> suggest that you actually use Google's version of it to host corporate
> files.
It's not a better solution if it's not a solution. But I've already
outlined my
On Dec 5, 2008, at 1:36 PM, Wade Preston Shearer wrote:
On 5 Dec 2008, at 13:18, Stuart Jansen wrote:
I am not aware of any pros for using a wiki.
Here's one: Wikis are better than a bunch of Word documents saved
on a
Windows share running on the bosses desktop.
I know it's aiming low,
On 5 Dec 2008, at 14:01, Kyle Waters wrote:
Why use a wiki when there are so many better options for
collaboration
and/or group content management?
Because they are dead simple to learn and use. There's nothing
simpler than the pile of papers on your desk or bunch of electronic
documents on
On Fri, Dec 05, 2008 at 01:18:28PM -0700, Peter McNabb wrote:
>
> Since you brought it up, I'll toss out a link for one of Andrew McNabb's
> projects, smug ("smugly superior to wikis"):
>
> http://www.mcnabbs.org/andrew/smug/
And by the way, if any of you web programmer types want to help out, w
On Fri, 2008-12-05 at 13:54 -0700, Wade Preston Shearer wrote:
> How about Google Docs?
Seriously? I've never understood the willingness of some companies to
surrender critical knowledge to the whims of a third party.
1) Security. Internal documentation should be exactly that: internal.
2) Relia
Kyle Waters wrote:
> I just wanted to get input on various wikis. I know some people that
> swear by moinmoin but they are python fanatics. I want something simple
> to set up, authentication via ldap would be nice, and images would be
> nice. What are the pros and cons of various wikis.
I lik
Wade Preston Shearer wrote:
On 5 Dec 2008, at 13:53, Levi Pearson wrote:
Why use a wiki when there are so many better options for collaboration
and/or group content management?
Because they are dead simple to learn and use. There's nothing
simpler than the pile of papers on your desk or bunc
On 5 Dec 2008, at 13:53, Levi Pearson wrote:
Why use a wiki when there are so many better options for
collaboration
and/or group content management?
Because they are dead simple to learn and use. There's nothing
simpler than the pile of papers on your desk or bunch of electronic
documents o
On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 1:36 PM, Wade Preston Shearer
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 5 Dec 2008, at 13:18, Stuart Jansen wrote:
>> I know it's aiming low, but seriously. If you can't find any pros for
>> using a wiki you either aren't trying very hard, or have never worked on
>> a team.
>
> Great p
On 5 Dec 2008, at 13:18, Stuart Jansen wrote:
I am not aware of any pros for using a wiki.
Here's one: Wikis are better than a bunch of Word documents saved on a
Windows share running on the bosses desktop.
I know it's aiming low, but seriously. If you can't find any pros for
using a wiki you
Stuart Jansen wrote:
On Fri, 2008-12-05 at 12:45 -0700, Wade Preston Shearer wrote:
I am not aware of any pros for using a wiki.
Here's one: Wikis are better than a bunch of Word documents saved on a
Windows share running on the bosses desktop.
I know it's aiming low, but seriously. I
On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 10:38 AM, Von Grant Fugal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Net neutrality, unless you plan to violently kill the internet.
> I'd like to echo the other comment:
> Was there ever a case for net neutrality?
> Well, it's a noble thought, and not without it's merits, but the
> downs
On Fri, 2008-12-05 at 12:45 -0700, Wade Preston Shearer wrote:
> I am not aware of any pros for using a wiki.
Here's one: Wikis are better than a bunch of Word documents saved on a
Windows share running on the bosses desktop.
I know it's aiming low, but seriously. If you can't find any pros for
u
On Fri, Dec 05, 2008 at 12:41:20PM -0700, Kyle Waters wrote:
> I just wanted to get input on various wikis. I know some people that
> swear by moinmoin but they are python fanatics. I want something simple
> to set up, authentication via ldap would be nice, and images would be
> nice. Wha
On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 2:41 PM, Kyle Waters <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I just wanted to get input on various wikis. I know some people that swear
> by moinmoin but they are python fanatics. I want something simple to set
> up, authentication via ldap would be nice, and images would be nice. W
On 05 Dec 2008, at 12:41, Kyle Waters wrote:
I just wanted to get input on various wikis. I know some people
that swear by moinmoin but they are python fanatics. I want
something simple to set up, authentication via ldap would be nice,
and images would be nice. What are the pros and co
Siddharth Patwardhan wrote:
>> I just wanted to get input on various wikis. I know some people that
>> swear by moinmoin but they are python fanatics. I want something simple
>> to set up, authentication via ldap would be nice, and images would be
>> nice. What are the pros and cons of vario
Kyle Waters wrote:
> I just wanted to get input on various wikis. I know some people that
> swear by moinmoin but they are python fanatics. I want something simple
> to set up, authentication via ldap would be nice, and images would be
> nice. What are the pros and cons of various wikis.
Insti
On Friday 05 December 2008 12:41:20 Kyle Waters wrote:
> I just wanted to get input on various wikis. I know some people that
> swear by moinmoin but they are python fanatics. I want something simple
> to set up, authentication via ldap would be nice, and images would be
> nice. What are the pr
> I just wanted to get input on various wikis. I know some people that
> swear by moinmoin but they are python fanatics. I want something simple
> to set up, authentication via ldap would be nice, and images would be
> nice. What are the pros and cons of various wikis.
This page compares va
On Friday 05 December 2008 12:41:20 pm Kyle Waters wrote:
> I just wanted to get input on various wikis. I know some people that
> swear by moinmoin but they are python fanatics. I want something simple
> to set up, authentication via ldap would be nice, and images would be
> nice. What are the
Kyle Waters wrote:
> I just wanted to get input on various wikis. I know some people that
> swear by moinmoin but they are python fanatics. I want something simple
> to set up, authentication via ldap would be nice, and images would be
> nice. What are the pros and cons of various wikis.
Inste
On 5 Dec 2008, at 12:41, Kyle Waters wrote:
I just wanted to get input on various wikis. I know some people
that swear by moinmoin but they are python fanatics. I want
something simple to set up, authentication via ldap would be nice,
and images would be nice. What are the pros and cons
I just wanted to get input on various wikis. I know some people that
swear by moinmoin but they are python fanatics. I want something simple
to set up, authentication via ldap would be nice, and images would be
nice. What are the pros and cons of various wikis.
Kyle
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> On Friday 05 December 2008 11:25:00 am Von Fugal wrote:
> > Obama is still going to "buy a yacht." He's just going to do so on a
> > smaller budget. You're solving the amount of inflation, but not the
> > distribution problem.
> >
> > > > The printers benefit (the government gets more power, mor
On Friday 05 December 2008 11:25:00 am Von Fugal wrote:
> Obama is still going to "buy a yacht." He's just going to do so on a
> smaller budget. You're solving the amount of inflation, but not the
> distribution problem.
>
> > > The printers benefit (the government gets more power, more pet
> > > p
> On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 1:02 PM, Von Fugal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Well, a proponent for inflation then. Then by necessity you must oppose
> > gold. And I guess your reasons for proposing inflation are different
> > then some others have been.
>
> Actually all I've meant to do is say "Thi
> On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 1:02 PM, Von Fugal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Well, a proponent for inflation then. Then by necessity you must oppose
> > gold. And I guess your reasons for proposing inflation are different
> > then some others have been.
>
> Actually all I've meant to do is say "Thi
> On Friday 05 December 2008 10:58:33 am Von Fugal wrote:
> > > However, you're forgetting, that with a static currency supply, the per
> > > capita purchasing power has now decreased inversely proportional to the
> > > increase in capita.
> >
> > The money supply per capita has decreased, but not
On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 1:02 PM, Von Fugal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Well, a proponent for inflation then. Then by necessity you must oppose
> gold. And I guess your reasons for proposing inflation are different
> then some others have been.
Actually all I've meant to do is say "This is what I w
> On Friday 05 December 2008 10:21:01 am Von Grant Fugal wrote:
> > Ok, there are probably other ways to fairly distribute new money, but
> > centralized injection is not one of them. How does the government not
> > benefit by having brand new money? You say "well the government is the
> > people.
On Friday 05 December 2008 10:58:33 am Von Fugal wrote:
> > However, you're forgetting, that with a static currency supply, the per
> > capita purchasing power has now decreased inversely proportional to the
> > increase in capita.
>
> The money supply per capita has decreased, but not the purchasi
> On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 11:26 AM, Von Fugal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > You opponents of gold talk about how fiat helps poverty, now here you're
> > contempting the poor and saying we don't have to be fair to them! You
> > talk about keeping up with inflation. Why does there have to be
> > inf
On Friday 05 December 2008 10:21:01 am Von Grant Fugal wrote:
> Ok, there are probably other ways to fairly distribute new money, but
> centralized injection is not one of them. How does the government not
> benefit by having brand new money? You say "well the government is the
> people." Nice try.
> On Friday 05 December 2008 09:18:21 am Von Grant Fugal wrote:
> > There is less MONEY to go around, but I will say it time and time again,
> > MONEY IS NOT WEALTH!
>
> I agree. Money is not wealth. Money is a means of wealth transferrence.
> Wealth, is measured in property. An interesting asid
On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 11:57 AM, Stuart Jansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Daniel C. eats kittens for breakfast!
I can neither confirm nor deny the presence of kittens in my breakfast
cereal cupboard, either this morning or on any other morning.
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> On Friday 05 December 2008 09:18:21 am Von Grant Fugal wrote:
> > How do you propose to distribute this new money in lockstep with capita
> > changes?
> > Perhaps you could give each newborn an average savings worth of
> > money in a trust fund. Anything less than this is redistribution of
> > w
On Friday 05 December 2008 09:18:21 am Von Grant Fugal wrote:
> There is less MONEY to go around, but I will say it time and time again,
> MONEY IS NOT WEALTH!
I agree. Money is not wealth. Money is a means of wealth transferrence.
Wealth, is measured in property. An interesting aside is, when yo
On Fri, 2008-12-05 at 11:55 -0500, Daniel C. wrote:
> I'm not an opponent of a gold standard, and I have never said anything
> about wanting to help out the poor.
Daniel C. eats kittens for breakfast!
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On Friday 05 December 2008 09:18:21 am Von Grant Fugal wrote:
> How do you propose to distribute this new money in lockstep with capita
> changes?
> Perhaps you could give each newborn an average savings worth of
> money in a trust fund. Anything less than this is redistribution of
> wealth and is
On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 11:26 AM, Von Fugal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> You opponents of gold talk about how fiat helps poverty, now here you're
> contempting the poor and saying we don't have to be fair to them! You
> talk about keeping up with inflation. Why does there have to be
> inflation for
> On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 12:44 AM, Andy Bradford
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> A small amount of inflation is healthy.
> >
> > For whom?
>
> For the economy as a whole... or at least that's what I've been
> taught. Individual people may occasionally get screwed over, yes -
> especially those
> > Thus making it too expensive to use for industrial uses. Eliminating
> > an entire class of goods.
>
> And what's wrong with that? If something is too expensive to be used for
> one type of use, then it won't be used for that particular use. So what?
> How does that strengthen the argument
> On Thursday 04 December 2008 09:17:16 pm Von Fugal wrote:
> > I'm curius why since you are so adamantly oppose to the federal reserve
> > and central banks, yet you seem to think the function they perform
> > (expanding the money supply) is so necessary. I agree with all you said
> > about the f
On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 12:44 AM, Andy Bradford
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> A small amount of inflation is healthy.
>
> For whom?
For the economy as a whole... or at least that's what I've been
taught. Individual people may occasionally get screwed over, yes -
especially those on fixed incomes,
I suppose it may be useful to state I am a proponent of austrian economic
theory, and disagree with keynesian economics.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Austrian_School
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Austrian_Business_Cycle_Theory
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On Mon, Dec 01, 2008 at 10:58:24AM -0700, Michael Torrie wrote:
>
> Bittorrent's new udp protocol is an attempt to address the problems
> and make bittorrent more palatable to business users and isps because
> it does have it's own built-in controls now to make it coexist better
> with other forms
On Thursday 04 December 2008 09:17:16 pm Von Fugal wrote:
> I'm curius why since you are so adamantly oppose to the federal reserve
> and central banks, yet you seem to think the function they perform
> (expanding the money supply) is so necessary. I agree with all you said
> about the fed, but not
On Thursday 04 December 2008 09:48:06 pm Andy Bradford wrote:
> Thus said Michael Torrie on Thu, 04 Dec 2008 10:54:42 MST:
> > Besides all that, what makes gold valuable? If gold is just sitting in
> > a bank somewhere, it's doing no one any good. Arguably the industrial
> > uses of gold are far m
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