I don't know if the OP is still reading this thread, but here's one more
thought that might be worth considering: LMS makes it very easy for
users to start on the path to becoming developers, by providing a lot of
basic information under "Technical Information," easily accessible from
the "Help"
Gobuleberbu wrote:
> Lms is a brilliant piece of software. It can be practically installed
> on any platform. It has features that commercial companies can just
> dream of. Its solid. And light.
Yes - so I stick with a winner ! My duet was purchased from Amazon in
2009 -- still kicking !
Lms is a brilliant piece of software. It can be practically installed
on any platform. It has features that commercial companies can just
dream of. Its solid. And light.
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pettifoggery wrote:
> I hope youll forgive me if this question is a little provocative or
> enraging, but why do so many developers continue to concentrate their
> app development on LMS rather than Volumio? This is a genuine question.
> I genuinely dont understand why Volumio isnt attracting
philippe_44 wrote:
>
> I can take my example of the group plugin that I was expecting to be a
> nightmare and an ugly patch to develop. In fact it turned out to be a
> really small amount of code to extend something that one would have
> though to be touching too close to the core of LMS.
And
pettifoggery wrote:
> I know that people might have issues with the subscription model or find
> that at present Volumio doesnt quite compare to the far more mature
> LMS, but I think its worth considering that the people behind Volumio
> are trying to create something with long-term
I think we are lucky to have so many audio distributions. Just pick the
one that best suits!
As a part time developer, I do what I want, when I want.
I wouldn't get involved in a commercial venture. This opens you up to
commercial obligations and risks.
philippe_44 wrote:
> The only thing I can add as a dev is that the core of LMS is extremely
> well architectured, its pretty amazing.
>
> The level of thoughts that has been made to make it extensible is
> remarkable. Ive very rarely tripped on a problem where there was not in
> fact already
pettifoggery wrote:
> Who knows? Though with more people contributing to and using the system
> I imagine it could have a greater chance of long-term success.
It can, like any project. But LMS can also be maintained by changing
teams. People come and go.
The only thing I can add as a dev is
kidstypike wrote:
> Perhaps @bpa can answer as to how trivial it would be to add an iPlayer
> plugin to Volumio?
>
> Oh, and support it for free!
TLDR;
BBCiPlayer on Volumio for myself probably easy - no personal benefit.
Provide BBCiPlayer on Volumio with support for Volumio user base -
slartibartfast wrote:
> Don't you need a subscription to access Tidal or Qobuz?
Yes.
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pettifoggery wrote:
> Some points:
>
> 1. You can choose between the older Classic and the newer Contemporary
> interface. I don't think the developers have any plans to ditch the
> Classic option.
>
> 2. 'Airplay'
> (https://volumio.github.io/docs/User_Manual/Stream_audio_to_volumio.html)
>
pettifoggery wrote:
> I'm sorry, I don't understand. Why would adding something like an
> iPlayer plugin make the user experience more complex? One tap to install
> then browse via the library.
You want some thing between bare bones (Volumio) and server supreme
(LMS)?
Perhaps @bpa can answer
pettifoggery wrote:
> No, I'm just a user. I don't have any interest in it beyond hoping that
> it can survive and thrive. With the root of my enthusiasm as much if not
> more for others than myself. I like it because it's so simple that even
> my technically inept mother can set it up and play
kidstypike wrote:
> Then why are you asking for plugin developers to make Volumio more
> complex?
I'm sorry, I don't understand. Why would adding something like an
iPlayer plugin make the user experience more complex? One tap to install
then browse via the library.
pettifoggery wrote:
> No, I'm just a user. I don't have any interest in it beyond hoping that
> it can survive and thrive. With the root of my enthusiasm as much if not
> more for others than myself. I like it because it's so simple that even
> my technically inept mother can set it up and play
bpa wrote:
> Out of curiosity - do you develop for Volumio ?
No, I'm just a user. I don't have any interest in it beyond hoping that
it can survive and thrive. With the root of my enthusiasm as much if not
more for others than myself. I like it because it's so simple that even
my technically
Tried Volumio and other similar software but nothing is even close to
LMS\SB.
Plex is ok but not quite there yet.
SB Touch optical to Hegel H90, Speakers Larsen 4.2
Spare SB3
AirPlay Bridge to Audio Pro A10
Squeezelite-x connected to home LMS with Neorouter.
SB Radio
ReadyNAS 202
iPeng
pettifoggery wrote:
> Who knows? Though with more people contributing to and using the system
> I imagine it could have a greater chance of long-term success.
Out of curiosity - do you develop for Volumio ?
bpa's
kidstypike wrote:
> And of course Volumio won't go belly up?
Who knows? Though with more people contributing to and using the system
I imagine it could have a greater chance of long-term success.
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I am using LMS because it is so furious fast.
Before I tested last year Volumio and a few others on a Pi 3B+ and
compared them on the original 7" Pi display. Attached was a music
mediathek (original copy of my iTunes/Music mediathek) with 3
files.
They are all really slow at browsing though
pettifoggery wrote:
> ...Thinking of Volumio not as an inferior upstart but instead as an
> insurance policy. A backup you can turn to if LMS goes belly up.
And of course Volumio won't go belly up?
*Server - LMS 8.0.0 *Pi4B 4GB/Flirc case/pCP 6.0.0 18K library,
playlists & LMS cache on SSD
pettifoggery wrote:
> Ive been running LMS via PCP on a Pi3A+. With this arrangement I
> find it impossible to stream 320k BBC Radio 3 ... The best I can hope
> for is 2 second bursts followed by 5 seconds of silence.
That feels like some old bugs or a network issue not a general problem
with
I know that people might have issues with the subscription model or find
that at present Volumio doesnt quite compare to the far more mature
LMS, but I think its worth considering that the people behind Volumio
are trying to create something with long-term sustainability. Something
that will be
philippe_44 wrote:
> I don't knock it down, I don't really know it. I was just giving general
> consideration as a developer why I would invest in a platform or not
My post above was tongue in cheek, I was just pointing out the fact that
it seems absurd to have a music server (Volumio), and
kidstypike wrote:
> Don't you guys go knocking Volumio, it's absolutely brilliant, you can
> install the "Logitech Media Server" plugin, and then you're connected to
> . . . er . . . LMS :confused::confused::confused:
> Seems to be bowing to superior software. ;)
>
I don't knock it down, I
Don't you guys go knocking Volumio, it's absolutely brilliant, you can
install the "Logitech Media Server" plugin, and then you're connected to
. . . er . . . LMS :confused::confused::confused:
Seems to be bowing to superior software. ;)
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When it comes to Alexa, Volumio only has a smart-home skill with very
limited functionality. Just like LMS-Lite, basically.
Theres no equivalent of the very capable MediaServer skill, which
supports 95 voice command categories in LMS.
pettifoggery wrote:
> If Volumio could licence the software for use by audio hardware
> companies that could replace the subscriptions. Though that's only
> likely to happen when / if Volumio has a library of plugins to rival or
> surpass LMS. Chicken and Egg.
The business of licensing SW to
bpa wrote:
> I don't think there is a real commercial market for hardware audio
> player with proprietary software. There maybe small niches. Sonos
> tried working with Google and then Google stabbed them in the back and
> now both have lawsuits in either direction. See NYTimes article &
>
pettifoggery wrote:
> If Volumio could licence the software for use by audio hardware
> companies that could replace the subscriptions. Though that's only
> likely to happen when / if Volumio has a library of plugins to rival or
> surpass LMS. Chicken and Egg.The volume of plugins is not the
philippe_44 wrote:
> And like in any global market there is not room for many players. When
> its about dedicated multi room audio business you have Sonos and nobody
> else (tons of other systems I know but they are tiny niches) then you
> have the free alternative that is dominated by LMS and
pettifoggery wrote:
> If Volumio could licence the software for use by audio hardware
> companies that could replace the subscriptions. Though that's only
> likely to happen when / if Volumio has a library of plugins to rival or
> surpass LMS. Chicken and Egg.
And like in any global market
wt0 wrote:
> The fact that there is a subscription system tied to it is the problem,
> even if you don't need to use it. I think developers may not like their
> work being monetized in such a direct way without some sort of
> compensation.
>
> Logitech or Slim Devices before them never
pettifoggery wrote:
> Some points:
>
> 1. You can choose between the older Classic and the newer Contemporary
> interface. I don't think the developers have any plans to ditch the
> Classic option.
>
> 2. 'Airplay'
> (https://volumio.github.io/docs/User_Manual/Stream_audio_to_volumio.html)
>
Attracting developers is a very hard thing. Either you are a platform
that can bring them revenues and then you have to convince them you can
give them access to a very large number of customers or you are a free
platform and you have to be meaningful for the developer himself, be
versatile
Some points:
1. You can choose between the older Classic and the newer Contemporary
interface. I don't think the developers have any plans to ditch the
Classic option.
2. 'Airplay'
(https://volumio.github.io/docs/User_Manual/Stream_audio_to_volumio.html)
3. 'Chromecast'
I think some developers might have an objection to having their work be
used on a subscription based system.
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Squeezebox apps for webOS, Android and Windows Phone,
http://www.angrygoatapps.com
As far as I could see, it can't handle Sonos devices or chromecast as
players (and what about Airplay?).
LMS server: O2 Joggler with Jivelite, Pi Zero W with PcP 6.0
Amp: Denon PMA-50
Players/Speakers: Touch, Logitech Radios, Sonos Play 1s & Beam,
Libratone Zipp, GGMM E2 & E3, Yamaha
When I tried out Volumio recently, I did like it, but I missed the
following:
Searching/browsing Album Artists.
Browsing by Random Album.
Integrated Spotify and local albums.
Observing the Compilation tag.
Volumio can't be set to ignore a leading article, meaning that a huge
number of artists
A while back we at home were in the market for a new NAS. Initially we
were taken with a model that offered a PLEX plugin. We weren't
especially enthused by the NAS itself, but thought itd be great to
have the PLEX system throughout the house as a server for all our films
and shows. But then we
LMS/Squeezebox remains a versatile music manager/streamer. It does a
better job at handling gapless and ReplayGain than DLNA, and has shown
itself capable of playing all formats up to DoP64. For those who think
the web UI is dated, there is now the popular "Material Skin" plugin.
Been using
I 'tried Volumio recently'
(http://robertsaunders.org.uk/flies-and-bikes/2020/01/08/volumio-music-streamer/),
and it really doesn't compare favourably with LMS, at least for my use
case, particularly related to search and browse options, and supporting
multiple devices from SB3, Touch, SB Radios
In agreement and addition to Castalla
> I know that LMS and Volumio arent like for like
I think you've answered your own question, thats very true, it kinda
like saying why do we have Cars when we have Trucks
Having one player is Volumio's strong point, having central control of
more than one
pettifoggery wrote:
> but the only thing that prevents me from going 100% Volumio are the 3rd
> party LMS apps.
I would suggest that the reason LMS persists (and is so popular) is the
existence and development of excellent plugins.
I dabbled with Volumio years ago, but found it sadly
I hope youll forgive me if this question is a little provocative
or enraging, but why do so many developers continue to concentrate their
app development on LMS rather than Volumio? This is a genuine question.
I genuinely dont understand why Volumio isnt attracting
developers to the same extent
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