[NF] How to assess for a good test/QA person

2008-06-05 Thread MB Software Solutions General Account
We're hiring a new QA (quality assurance..."the grand tester"). We want to gauge not only a personality fit but of course the analytical thinking skills of the candidate. How would you best assess that if you were responsible for interviewing this person? tia, --Michael

Re: [NF] How to assess for a good test/QA person

2008-06-05 Thread Paul McNett
MB Software Solutions General Account wrote: > We're hiring a new QA (quality assurance..."the grand tester"). We want > to gauge not only a personality fit but of course the analytical > thinking skills of the candidate. How would you best assess that if you > were responsible for interviewin

Re: [NF] How to assess for a good test/QA person

2008-06-05 Thread Matt Jarvis
MB Software Solutions General Account wrote: > We're hiring a new QA (quality assurance..."the grand tester"). We want > to gauge not only a personality fit but of course the analytical > thinking skills of the candidate. How would you best assess that if you > were responsible for interviewin

Re: [NF] How to assess for a good test/QA person

2008-06-05 Thread Stephen Russell
On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 12:31 PM, MB Software Solutions General Account < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > We're hiring a new QA (quality assurance..."the grand tester"). We want > to gauge not only a personality fit but of course the analytical > thinking skills of the candidate. How would you best a

RE: [NF] How to assess for a good test/QA person

2008-06-05 Thread Rick Schummer
>> I'd hire the person provisionally, with the option to let them go at any >> time in the next 30 days with no notice. Then I'd assess that person's performance on the job.<< I think this will only work for people who do not already have a job (maybe between consulting gigs or byproduct of a la

RE: [NF] How to assess for a good test/QA person

2008-06-05 Thread Bill Arnold
Mike, > We're hiring a new QA (quality assurance..."the grand > tester"). We want to gauge not only a personality fit but of course the analytical > thinking skills of the candidate. How would you best assess that if you > were responsible for interviewing this person? > The person you w

Re: [NF] How to assess for a good test/QA person

2008-06-05 Thread Alan Bourke
On Thu, 05 Jun 2008 10:57:16 -0700, "Paul McNett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > Interview questions are so contrived. Yeah, they're often more tests of how much pointless trivia someone knows about a programming language I feel. -- Alan Bourke [EMAIL PROTECTED]

RE: [NF] How to assess for a good test/QA person

2008-06-05 Thread Bill Arnold
Rick, > The best Q/A person I have ever worked with made it his goal > to force at least one developer to breakdown in tears every > day . Our customers *and* our developers (with a couple of > exceptions) appreciated this guy (nicknamed - Testing Sith) > because the software was way more sol

RE: [NF] How to assess for a good test/QA person

2008-06-05 Thread Jerry Wolper
> Check his attitude. One destroyer in an office full of builders can > bring the whole thing down. To test, ask for his summary level thoughts > on Iraq and judge accordingly. Asking about Iraq, or any hot political question, is a bad idea, unless something on his resume indicates that the appli

RE: [NF] How to assess for a good test/QA person

2008-06-05 Thread Jerry Wolper
> The best Q/A person I have ever worked with made it his goal > to force at least one developer to breakdown in tears every day > . Our customers *and* our developers (with a couple of > exceptions) appreciated this guy (nicknamed - Testing Sith) because > the software was way more solid than it

Re: [NF] How to assess for a good test/QA person

2008-06-05 Thread Ed Leafe
On Jun 5, 2008, at 5:52 PM, Jerry Wolper wrote: >> Check his attitude. One destroyer in an office full of builders can >> bring the whole thing down. To test, ask for his summary level >> thoughts >> on Iraq and judge accordingly. > > Asking about Iraq, or any hot political question, is a bad id

Re: [NF] How to assess for a good test/QA person

2008-06-05 Thread Whil Hentzen
MB Software Solutions General Account wrote: > We're hiring a new QA (quality assurance..."the grand tester"). We want > to gauge not only a personality fit but of course the analytical > thinking skills of the candidate. How would you best assess that if you > were responsible for interviewin

RE: [NF] How to assess for a good test/QA person

2008-06-05 Thread Rick Schummer
>> It's been my experience that a less adversarial relationship works better. >> Deep into the testing cycle, when everybody's tired of the whole thing, it's much too easy to say "That [jerk] again. I'm sick of his bad ideas."<< I think this is always the case. In our office the Testing Sith was

RE: [NF] How to assess for a good test/QA person

2008-06-05 Thread Bill Arnold
Jerry, > > Check his attitude. One destroyer in an office full of builders can > > bring the whole thing down. To test, ask for his summary level > > thoughts on Iraq and judge accordingly. > > Asking about Iraq, or any hot political question, is a bad idea, > unless something on his resume

RE: [NF] How to assess for a good test/QA person

2008-06-05 Thread Bill Arnold
> > Asking about Iraq, or any hot political question, is a bad idea, > > unless something on his resume indicates that the applicant has > > experience in that area. You don't want to get into a situation where > > the interviewee is telling you what he thinks you want to hear, and > > you cer

Re: [NF] How to assess for a good test/QA person

2008-06-05 Thread Ed Leafe
On Jun 5, 2008, at 7:14 PM, Bill Arnold wrote: > If hiring people who share your political views is illegal, then how > do > the political machines themselves get away with it, since that's the > core of their existence? Oh, c'mon, Bill, surely you're not that dense. You can o

RE: [NF] How to assess for a good test/QA person

2008-06-05 Thread Bill Arnold
> > If hiring people who share your political views is illegal, then how do > > the political machines themselves get away with it, since that's the > > core of their existence? > > > Oh, c'mon, Bill, surely you're not that dense. And that seemed like such an obvious question :) >

Re: [NF] How to assess for a good test/QA person

2008-06-05 Thread Ed Leafe
On Jun 5, 2008, at 7:41 PM, Bill Arnold wrote: > If I'm hiring someone for an important position in my company, the > better I understand that person's basic attitudes, the better we'll > get > along, and something that 'subtle' can make the difference between > spending a career together or not

RE: [NF] How to assess for a good test/QA person

2008-06-05 Thread Bill Arnold
Ed, > You can assess their attitude, but by asking questions relevant to > the postion: how they handle deadlines; who their worst bosses were; > what they learned from their last bug; etc. There is no need to talk > about the war, religion, their family, etc., in order to ascertain i

Re: [NF] How to assess for a good test/QA person

2008-06-05 Thread Ed Leafe
On Jun 5, 2008, at 8:53 PM, Bill Arnold wrote: > You mean as in the difference between "correct" and "politically > correct". I keep getting the two so confused. It has nothing to do with "politically correct". It has to do with "legally correct". If you interview someone for a

RE: [NF] How to assess for a good test/QA person

2008-06-05 Thread Bill Arnold
Ed, > > You mean as in the difference between "correct" and "politically > > correct". I keep getting the two so confused. > It has nothing to do with "politically correct". It has > to do with "legally correct". Except that they are joined at the hip, with the politicians making the la

RE: [NF] How to assess for a good test/QA person

2008-06-05 Thread Bob Calco
Bill: > > > If hiring people who share your political views is illegal, then > how > do > > > the political machines themselves get away with it, since that's > the > > > core of their existence? > > > > > > Oh, c'mon, Bill, surely you're not that dense. > > > And that seemed like such an ob

Re: [NF] How to assess for a good test/QA person

2008-06-05 Thread MB Software Solutions General Account
Whil Hentzen wrote: > Lots of good ideas in the thread... > > 1. To reiterate, have them show you what they can do. Give them some > work and have them perform it. I've repeated the old "don't you want to > see me kick some footballs" story often enough. Yes, that was a great analogy from your

Re: [NF] How to assess for a good test/QA person

2008-06-05 Thread MB Software Solutions General Account
Rick Schummer wrote: >>> It's been my experience that a less adversarial relationship works better. >>> Deep into the testing > cycle, when everybody's tired of the whole thing, it's much too easy to say > "That [jerk] again. I'm > sick of his bad ideas."<< > > I think this is always the case. I

Re: [NF] How to assess for a good test/QA person

2008-06-05 Thread MB Software Solutions General Account
Ed Leafe wrote: > You can only discriminate on criteria that are relevant to the job. > If the job is a women's locker room attendant, you can most certainly > discriminate based on the sex of the applicant. If it is for an > accounting position, you can't. Saw this guy (who seemed v

Re: [NF] How to assess for a good test/QA person

2008-06-05 Thread MB Software Solutions General Account
Bill Arnold wrote: > I've participated in hiring for large companies too, and in that > capacity understood the need to behave strictly in accordance with the > owners wishes and the law. I wouldn't argue this. > > But Mike is running a small business, as am I, and when us little guys > hire we'r

Re: [NF] How to assess for a good test/QA person

2008-06-05 Thread MB Software Solutions General Account
Bob Calco wrote: > That's why it doesn't make sense to overtly ask things like, "So, what do > you think of the neo-con crypto-fascist military industrial complex > murdering untold hundreds of thousands of innocent Iraqis in cold blood for > mere lust for oil?" in a technical interview about, say

RE: [NF] How to assess for a good test/QA person

2008-06-06 Thread Gil Hale
CTED] > Subject: Re: [NF] How to assess for a good test/QA person > > > On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 3:12 PM, Alan Bourke > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > On Thu, 05 Jun 2008 10:57:16 -0700, "Paul McNett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > > > &g