Re: [NF] Oooo, isn't Vista shiny? (paid to blog positively?)

On 12/28/06, Whil Hentzen (Pro*) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Is MSFT paying bloggers to say nice things? Not very well, imo. "Wait, bloggers can keep the free laptops after all: Microsoft" http://apcmag.com/4895/wait_bloggers_can_keep_the_free_laptops_after_all_microsoft http://preview.tinyurl

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PM To: 'ProFox Email List' Subject: RE: [NF] Oooo, isn't Vista shiny? (paid to blog positively?) Ed Leafe <> wrote: > On Dec 31, 2006, at 2:38 PM, Rick Schummer wrote: > >> ...>> you don't succeed in business by being ethical.<< >> >>

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On Jan 1, 2007, at 3:25 PM, Stephen the Cook wrote: > Missed that point when made. Well, uh, that was the whole focus of the discussion. Kinda makes it hard to discuss things when one party isn't aware of what is being discussed. > Why? What ethics do bloggers have? Swift Boaters c

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On Jan 1, 2007, at 3:27 PM, Stephen the Cook wrote: >> No, I'm saying that ethics alone does not determine your success. >> You succeed by dominating a market, whether your product is better >> than the competition or not, or whether you act ethically or not. > > What a limited view of life.

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Ed Leafe <> wrote: > I guess you missed the part where these laptops where expressly > *not* sent to the bloggers for review purposes. They went out of > their way to make it clear that there was absolutely no requirement > that a review of any sort be done, much less published. It was a gift

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Ed Leafe <> wrote: > On Dec 31, 2006, at 2:38 PM, Rick Schummer wrote: > >> ...>> you don't succeed in business by being ethical.<< >> >> Ed, are you saying you can only succeed by being unethical? Or that >> there are more factors in play including being ethical to be >> successful? > > N

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k Schummer Sent: Sunday, December 31, 2006 1:39 PM To: profox@leafe.com Subject: RE: [NF] Oooo, isn't Vista shiny? (paid to blog positively?) ...>> you don't succeed in business by being ethical.<< Ed, are you saying you can only succeed by being unethical? Or that there are

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On Dec 31, 2006, at 2:38 PM, Rick Schummer wrote: > ...>> you don't succeed in business by being ethical.<< > > Ed, are you saying you can only succeed by being unethical? Or that > there are more factors in play > including being ethical to be successful? No, I'm saying that ethics alo

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.com 586.254.2530 - office 586.254.2539 - fax   -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ed Leafe Sent: Sunday, December 31, 2006 12:47 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [NF] Oooo, isn't Vista shiny? (paid to blog positively?) On De

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On Dec 31, 2006, at 9:06 AM, Stephen the Cook wrote: > Not even close in a comparison to the reality at hand. You can > attempt to > load Vista on any x86 hardware and YMMV. Ram, processor, video > card are all > big factors to the successful running of the software, wouldn't you > agree?

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Ed Leafe <> wrote: > On Dec 30, 2006, at 7:51 PM, Stephen the Cook wrote: > >>> Uh, the review wasn't for the laptop; it was for the Vista OS. >>> >>> A better analogy would be if Apple sent a killer home theatre >>> system to the reviewer for free with no strings attached, on the >>> hop

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On Dec 30, 2006, at 7:51 PM, Stephen the Cook wrote: >> Uh, the review wasn't for the laptop; it was for the Vista OS. >> >> A better analogy would be if Apple sent a killer home theatre system >> to the reviewer for free with no strings attached, on the hope that >> he might evaluate th

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Ed Leafe <> wrote: > Uh, the review wasn't for the laptop; it was for the Vista OS. > > A better analogy would be if Apple sent a killer home theatre system > to the reviewer for free with no strings attached, on the hope that > he might evaluate the video iPod. What a load of cra

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Q: Why are there rules in congress against our legislators receiving gifts from lobbyist? A: Can anyone say "Quid Pro Quo": http://www.answers.com/topic/quid-pro-quo Regards, LelandJ Ted Roche wrote: >On 12/28/06, Whil Hentzen (Pro*) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >>Is MSFT paying bloggers

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On 12/30/06, Ed Leafe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Uh, the review wasn't for the laptop; it was for the Vista OS. > I hadn't followed the case that closely; I know MS was the one who sent the units to some of their influencers. Was Acer not involved? > A better analogy would be

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On Dec 30, 2006, at 4:49 PM, Ted Roche wrote: > "Do you really think Walt Mossberg of the Wall Street Journal goes to > some secret underground Apple Store to buy his hot new iPod to review > a month before it's even announced? Do you think hardware review sites > sneak into processor fabs late at

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On 12/28/06, Whil Hentzen (Pro*) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Is MSFT paying bloggers to say nice things? > "Do you really think Walt Mossberg of the Wall Street Journal goes to some secret underground Apple Store to buy his hot new iPod to review a month before it's even announced? Do you think h

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On 12/29/06, Rick Schummer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I just read on Geek News Central about Microsoft pulling the laptops back > after the bloggers are > done with the reviews. Dilbertville style of management lives strong even on > the holiday break for > some people. Well, on the bright s

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>>I see it differently, but suspect we agree more than disagree.<< Definitely. I just read on Geek News Central about Microsoft pulling the laptops back after the bloggers are done with the reviews. Dilbertville style of management lives strong even on the holiday break for some people. http:/

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On 12/29/06, Rick Schummer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > But I really think the difference between a service designed to pay hired > people to blog about > products, and individual or independent people blogging about products > because some company sends > them something (money, computers, fre

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>>Tweet! Timeout! Off sides! I'd just like to clarify the context of our >>discussion here.<< Thanks for the official clarification Ted. But I really think the difference between a service designed to pay hired people to blog about products, and individual or independent people blogging about p

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On 12/29/06, Rick Schummer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I was trying to emphasize that I have not made up my mind > on the topic of PayForPost. Tweet! Timeout! Off sides! I'd just like to clarify the context of our discussion here. Big-J Journalists have an explicit code of ethics that claims im

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On 12/29/06, Rick Schummer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I am curious about "Recent winners should sit on their hands and let someone > else play for a > change." > That's from the PRI show "Whatd'yaknow?" when they read the disclaimers before playing the call-in quiz game. Pretty obscure, altho

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On 12/28/06, Whil Hentzen (Pro*) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Is MSFT paying bloggers to say nice things? > How is that different from handing out free copies of MSDN Galactic? "A favorite Saturday radio show is Michael Feldman's "Whad'YaKnow" with its predictable lineup of standup, quiz shows, i

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Thanks for the discussion Ted. >>My disclaimer page is at http://www.tedroche.com/blog/?page_id=2621.<< I am curious about "Recent winners should sit on their hands and let someone else play for a change." Care to explain? Rick White Light Computing, Inc. www.whitelightcomputing.com www.rick

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Hi Ed, Thanks for responding. >> Why the free laptop? Why not provide a free copy of Vista? Why not do >> what hardware companies do, and provide a paid shipping box for returning the hardware after the review?<< I agree this is a bit much. If I was a blogger in this situation I would be

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=> Subject: Re: [NF] Oooo, isn't Vista shiny? (paid to blog positively?) =>  => There's another piece here... MSFT has long intimidated => folks with the threat of being excluded if you don't play by => their rules. I have a long, involved history in this, => s

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Planting stuff in someone's garden in the hope that it blossoms into something positive is not new and the use of bloggers will not be the last effort in this vein. What is being discussed here is quite simply, trust. Trust is one of those things like respect, love, and software documentation tha

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> I look forward to you helping me make up my mind if this is really wrong, or > just another way > companies can market. Or is this another opinion you are forming because you > really dislike > Microsoft and by default it is evil? If someone doesn't disclose front and center that, by the way,

Re: [NF] Oooo, isn't Vista shiny? (paid to blog positively?)

On Dec 29, 2006, at 9:06 AM, Rick Schummer wrote: > I look forward to you helping me make up my mind if this is really > wrong, or just another way companies can market. Why the free laptop? Why not provide a free copy of Vista? Why not do what hardware companies do, and provide a pai

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On 12/29/06, Rick Schummer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > First I will say I have never accepted a dime for ads on my Web site, never > blogged after being > "bribed", and have not made up my mind if this is something right or wrong. I > do know disclosure is > an absolute requirement if it is in

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Ed, >>Really pathetic, if you ask me. If Vista offered anything compelling people >>would be flocking to it, rather than having to be bribed with a free laptop in order to try it out.<< First I will say I have never accepted a dime for ads on my Web site, never blogged after being "bribed", and

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On Dec 28, 2006, at 6:58 PM, Whil Hentzen (Pro*) wrote: > Is MSFT paying bloggers to say nice things? > > > Really pathetic, if you ask me. If Vista offered anything compelling pe

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