[Puppet Users] Re: Do we need a new name for "--test"?

2011-01-26 Thread Adam Stephens
On Jan 23, 4:33 pm, Nigel Kersten wrote: > https://projects.puppetlabs.com/issues/2476 > > This does seem to confuse a fair few new users. > > What would be a better name for "--test"? What about "--manual" ? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Puppet

Re: [Puppet Users] Re: Do we need a new name for "--test"?

2011-01-25 Thread R.I.Pienaar
On 25 Jan 2011, at 10:30, Felix Frank wrote: > On 01/24/2011 09:39 PM, R.I.Pienaar wrote: >> >> >> - Original Message - >>> On Jan 24, 2011, at 11:17 AM, R.I.Pienaar wrote: >>> - Original Message - > If we don't want --manual you could go with --watch as that's >

Re: [Puppet Users] Re: Do we need a new name for "--test"?

2011-01-25 Thread Felix Frank
On 01/24/2011 09:39 PM, R.I.Pienaar wrote: > > > - Original Message - >> On Jan 24, 2011, at 11:17 AM, R.I.Pienaar wrote: >> >>> - Original Message - If we don't want --manual you could go with --watch as that's really what I'm doing - watching puppet run. :) >>> >>

Re: [Puppet Users] Re: Do we need a new name for "--test"?

2011-01-24 Thread Patrick
On Jan 24, 2011, at 1:17 PM, Adam Nielsen wrote: >> The problem seems to be --test does so many things you can't concisely >> describe it. > > On the other hand, maybe --live-test would be good, as it makes it clear > changes will be made which seems to be the biggest complaint about --test. I

Re: [Puppet Users] Re: Do we need a new name for "--test"?

2011-01-24 Thread Adam Nielsen
The problem seems to be --test does so many things you can't concisely describe it. On the other hand, maybe --live-test would be good, as it makes it clear changes will be made which seems to be the biggest complaint about --test. Cheers, Adam. -- You received this message because you are s

Re: [Puppet Users] Re: Do we need a new name for "--test"?

2011-01-24 Thread Adam Nielsen
Well, I see where you're coming from, but I see all flags as commands given to the program meaning you're telling puppet to do that thing. So, "--no-daemonize" tells puppet not to daemonize. In this case, I'd expect "watch" to tell puppet to watch something. I really think this is a bad choice

Re: [Puppet Users] Re: Do we need a new name for "--test"?

2011-01-24 Thread Patrick
On Jan 24, 2011, at 12:39 PM, R.I.Pienaar wrote: > - Original Message - >> On Jan 24, 2011, at 11:17 AM, R.I.Pienaar wrote: >> >>> - Original Message - If we don't want --manual you could go with --watch as that's really what I'm doing - watching puppet run. :) >>>

Re: [Puppet Users] Re: Do we need a new name for "--test"?

2011-01-24 Thread R.I.Pienaar
- Original Message - > On Jan 24, 2011, at 11:17 AM, R.I.Pienaar wrote: > > > - Original Message - > >> If we don't want --manual you could go with --watch as that's > >> really > >> what I'm doing - watching puppet run. :) > > > > > > I like --watch too > > I hope this is a jok

Re: [Puppet Users] Re: Do we need a new name for "--test"?

2011-01-24 Thread Patrick
On Jan 24, 2011, at 11:17 AM, R.I.Pienaar wrote: > - Original Message - >> If we don't want --manual you could go with --watch as that's really >> what I'm doing - watching puppet run. :) > > > I like --watch too I hope this is a joke. I really think this name is a worse fit than "--t

Re: [Puppet Users] Re: Do we need a new name for "--test"?

2011-01-24 Thread Patrick
On Jan 24, 2011, at 2:38 AM, Carles Amigó wrote: > +1 > > El 24/01/2011 9:13, Daniel Pittman escribió: >> On Sun, Jan 23, 2011 at 23:36, Stig Sandbeck Mathisen wrote: >>> Jesse Reynolds writes: >>> --manual >>> >>> Looks better than --interactive, since I don't assume it will start >>>

Re: [Puppet Users] Re: Do we need a new name for "--test"?

2011-01-24 Thread R.I.Pienaar
- Original Message - > If we don't want --manual you could go with --watch as that's really > what I'm doing - watching puppet run. :) I like --watch too -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Puppet Users" group. To post to this group, send ema

Re: [Puppet Users] Re: Do we need a new name for "--test"?

2011-01-24 Thread Ashley Penney
If we don't want --manual you could go with --watch as that's really what I'm doing - watching puppet run. :) On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 1:24 PM, Stefan Schulte < stefan.schu...@taunusstein.net> wrote: > On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 01:19:35PM +0100, Felix Frank wrote: > > On 01/24/2011 11:38 AM, Carles

Re: [Puppet Users] Re: Do we need a new name for "--test"?

2011-01-24 Thread Stefan Schulte
On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 01:19:35PM +0100, Felix Frank wrote: > On 01/24/2011 11:38 AM, Carles Amigó wrote: > > +1 > > > > El 24/01/2011 9:13, Daniel Pittman escribió: > >> On Sun, Jan 23, 2011 at 23:36, Stig Sandbeck Mathisen > >> wrote: > >>> Jesse Reynolds writes: > >>> > --manual > >

Re: [Puppet Users] Re: Do we need a new name for "--test"?

2011-01-24 Thread Felix Frank
On 01/24/2011 11:48 AM, chris.does.t...@googlemail.com wrote: > How about --apply Please don't. That's begging for confusion of "puppet apply" vs. "puppet agent --apply". -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Puppet Users" group. To post to this group, se

[Puppet Users] Re: Do we need a new name for "--test"?

2011-01-24 Thread chris.does.t...@googlemail.com
How about --apply On Jan 23, 9:33 pm, Nigel Kersten wrote: > https://projects.puppetlabs.com/issues/2476 > > This does seem to confuse a fair few new users. > > What would be a better name for "--test"? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Puppet Users"

Re: [Puppet Users] Re: Do we need a new name for "--test"?

2011-01-24 Thread Felix Frank
On 01/24/2011 11:38 AM, Carles Amigó wrote: > +1 > > El 24/01/2011 9:13, Daniel Pittman escribió: >> On Sun, Jan 23, 2011 at 23:36, Stig Sandbeck Mathisen >> wrote: >>> Jesse Reynolds writes: >>> --manual Seconded (or, fourthed?) Also, I'll outright *refuse* to install a software that

Re: [Puppet Users] Re: Do we need a new name for "--test"?

2011-01-24 Thread Carles Amigó
+1 El 24/01/2011 9:13, Daniel Pittman escribió: On Sun, Jan 23, 2011 at 23:36, Stig Sandbeck Mathisen wrote: Jesse Reynolds writes: --manual Looks better than --interactive, since I don't assume it will start asking me questions. :) I like it too. Daniel -- Carles Amigó Linux

Re: [Puppet Users] Re: Do we need a new name for "--test"?

2011-01-24 Thread Daniel Pittman
On Sun, Jan 23, 2011 at 23:36, Stig Sandbeck Mathisen wrote: > Jesse Reynolds writes: > >>   --manual > > Looks better than --interactive, since I don't assume it will start > asking me questions. :) I like it too. Daniel -- ⎋ Puppet Labs Developer – http://puppetlabs.com ✉ Daniel Pittman

Re: [Puppet Users] Re: Do we need a new name for "--test"?

2011-01-23 Thread Stig Sandbeck Mathisen
Jesse Reynolds writes: > --manual Looks better than --interactive, since I don't assume it will start asking me questions. :) -- Stig Sandbeck Mathisen Oooo, shiny! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Puppet Users" gr

[Puppet Users] Re: Do we need a new name for "--test"?

2011-01-23 Thread Jesse Reynolds
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Re: [Puppet Users] Re: Do we need a new name for "--test"?

2011-01-23 Thread Patrick
On Jan 23, 2011, at 5:58 PM, eshamow wrote: > I can tell you that for me, and for my group, it's a halfway step > between reloading Puppet and watching the logs, and a full --debug -- > no-daemonize run. > > So for instance, when they're troubleshooting a bug in a newly-written > or modified cla

Re: [Puppet Users] Re: Do we need a new name for "--test"?

2011-01-23 Thread Patrick
No, because sometimes making the changes causes the error. For instance, if you are using a File resource to create a file in a read-only file-system (which isn't possible) the resource will tell you it plans to make a file when run in noop, and give you no errors. When not run in noop it will

Re: [Puppet Users] Re: Do we need a new name for "--test"?

2011-01-23 Thread James Louis
so the purpose of having a noop is to run the same test but to not actually make any changes. do we get the same debug messages, etc? On Sun, Jan 23, 2011 at 7:58 PM, eshamow wrote: > I can tell you that for me, and for my group, it's a halfway step > between reloading Puppet and watching the lo

[Puppet Users] Re: Do we need a new name for "--test"?

2011-01-23 Thread eshamow
I can tell you that for me, and for my group, it's a halfway step between reloading Puppet and watching the logs, and a full --debug -- no-daemonize run. So for instance, when they're troubleshooting a bug in a newly-written or modified class, I suggest a puppetd -tv run to just output the errors