On Mar 25, 12:35 pm, Steve Schmechel wrote:
> In order to make creating a web application like "configuring an XML file",
> your framework must be very opinionated, which Pyramid is not. I think
> there are two different audiences here and you are never going to change
> Django "configurers" in
On Mar 25, 1:47 pm, Chris McDonough wrote:
> Errr. I've written a Django app, and it wasn't anywhere near like just
> changing a config file. It's a lot like writing an app under any other
> web environment... requests, view callables, templates, integration with
> 3rd party libraries and syst
The cheapest option would be to host the images on Amazon S3 and send
the email with Amazon SES. SES charges a 10¢ CPM , and data transfer
in is free ( so you don't have to run the app on EC2 ). You do pay
bandwidth, but it's their standard 12¢/GB charge. Your effective CPM
ends up being around
A couple points from experience:
More so than ORMs, random features, extensibility, flexibility, Magic
going on behind the scenes -- Pyramid lets the development team and
product managers decide where the Technical Debt and Bottlenecks will
be -- and is designed in a way that you don't have to scr
can you share some urls so we can see?
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are you using Pyramid's auth already ?
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You should look at your HTML source and your Apache logs. This most
likely has nothing to do with Pylons.
You should ensure that you can access the items via the urls that you
are generating ?
My guess is that either:
- your cdn or origin server is configured to respond to (www.)?
example.com ,
off the top of my head:
1. celery
2. fork a process to handle the uploads
3. register a cleanup handler
4. homegrown batch / daemon -- log the upload locally, then process the
upload separately
in my personal experience -- the main thing i'd watch out for is the
book-keeping/accounting portion o
I'm trying to track down where bugs happen on production code.
The Traceback in the logs doesn't have the URL.
The best option I see, is to look for a line like this after the URL :
[pid: 23566|app: 0|req: 251/251] 206.217.86.228 () {42 vars in
1695 bytes} [Fri Apr 12 16:02:39 2013] GET /acc
> just guessing, but this seems wrong: ``filter_by(id = payment.id)``.
> shouldn't it be ``filter_by(id == payment.id)``?
`filter_by` expects kw args ( `=` )
`filter` expects args/expressions ( `==` )
http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2128505/whats-the-difference-between-filter-and-filter-by-in
You've been posting a lot of issues regarding your site and CDN. You
didn't answer my question about sharing code or a url, so I tried the
one in your signature
Looking at the HTML for http://www.vvidiacom.com/web , I see a lot of
templating code that was not executed:
Here are some examples:
how are you invoking templates? with @view_config or
render_to_response ?
i was digging into the default renderers last week; they largely just
proxy + wrap a template lookup from the base library.
On Apr 10, 1:30 pm, Benjamin Sims wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I'm trying to implement split testing for a Py
Hi Josh!
I'm a Pomona alumn myself (2000). I'm way too busy to take lead on
this, but I'd be glad to help another Sagehen if you ever run into
trouble or want to talk/skype about any general Pyramid questions.
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resurrecting this back from the dead...
would anyone know how to access the 'here' off a request object ? is it
possible? If not, would someone know how/where to patch the settings to
support this?
looking through the source, I only see 'here' value being set during
logging setup.
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the problems you're describing seem to be random , and not necessarily tied
to render vs render_response.
it looks like you're using sessions incorrectly , and probably seeing
issues pop up because some pages are lazyloading attributes while others
don't have an attribute to load.
scoped_ses
Is this happening only on linux or is it happening on other os's ? if you
can make a short reproduceable example, i can test on osx for you.
>
>
i'm only noting that because i've run into problems before where
beautifulsoup died on large files in linux , but worked fine on osx. there
ende
for the new debugtoolbar, could you (please) look into not making it
trigger multiple requests / events ? that's been a pain in the ass when
debugging event subscribers.
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On Thursday, April 25, 2013 7:33:03 PM UTC-4, Michael Merickel wrote:
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> Better isolation is a major motivation behind the new debugger. That and
> being able to debug ajax/api requests. Don't worry, what we have in ours
> heads (not on paper) is the bees knees!
>
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I have a convenience class for my commandline scripts:
from pyramid.paster import bootstrap
class IntegratedApi():
env = None
bootstrapped = None
def __init__(self):
self.env = bootstrap('../../../web-pylons/app/production.ini')
what's the best way to create a response from a string ? it's not a file
to serve or a template to render. it's driving me a bit crazy trying to
figure out a simple/idiomatic way to do this. ( i can do it in a complex ,
obtuse way that will be a pain to maintain )
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> > Are you looking for something other than:
> >
> > from pyramid.response import Response
> > return Response("Hey!")
>
Nope, that's it. Thanks. I couldn't find anything that noted 'Response()'
would work they way I wanted it to ( it does ).
I was looking in all the wrong places. I'm
if it happened on linux+windows, then it's probably not an issue with the
environment.
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I'm just going to wishlist something. not sure if it is doable or not...
but I get stuff like this a lot in my Tracebacks
TypeError: __init__() got an unexpected keyword argument 'ssl_verify'
The reason is that i sometimes end up forking a library to patch it. ( in
this case, Twython ).
Have you looked at Jinja2 ? You can customize the escape characters so
that it nearly looks like Mako (or Moustache). Not sure if it suits your
other needs, but it has pretty decent template inheritance and macros.
I'm prototyping some 'user editable templates' with Jinja2 and the sandbox
mod
what version of of pylons are you using ?
there are some yet-to-be documented compatibility issues with newer
versions of WebHelpers and other external libraries against the 1.0.1
branch.
I'm not sure what the 'max supported version' is, but i would suggest
dropping down to the lowest specif
Gaston,
Could you explain this a bit more? Some of your intent isn't clear. I'm
guessing you're not a native english speaker ? I'm not sure what certain
lines are referencing.
> We've built a rest API that's reached by ajax calls.
Is that in Pyramid or Kivy ?
> We'd like to use the same o
General ideas
1. If you can use an browser window, you may be able to use Porthole.js
( http://ternarylabs.github.io/porthole/ ). That would let you
authenticate into the web system, and then proxy requests / responses
through the authenticated window.
2. I foresaw something like this in
It looks like it is doable via uwsgi , but not under `pserve`. thoughts ?
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I've got a subscriber to before_render that does some "tweaking" of objects
and priming of an object cache for Mako/Jinja/etc templates.
The problem that I've run into – json calls to the api trigger this.
The following code works, just wondering if anyone has a better idea , that
would let me
On Friday, May 17, 2013 3:04:18 PM UTC-4, Tres Seaver wrote:
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> if event.get('renderer_name') == 'json':
> return
>
That works perfectly, thanks!
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Has anyone tried to accomplish this before? If so, could you share any
details ?
I was hoping to create some error logging , outside of the traditional
`logging` facility, where I could drop some error reports and other info
into the database for profiling. Instead of hacking on a logging
co
i decided to integrate some profiling with statsd, and it was really easy.
i use it for timing and profiling certain logical things, but also use it
for some lightweight analytics based on the matched route
i use a ContextFound event to start a timer, and then send a payload using
`add_finished
I'm looking at the Pyramid docs about `tweens`
[http://docs.pylonsproject.org/projects/pyramid/en/latest/glossary.html#term-tween]
and it reads:
A bit of code that sits between the Pyramid router’s main request
handling function and the upstream WSGI component that uses Pyramid as its
‘a
mako has some render settings that are configurable in the .ini file
http://docs.pylonsproject.org/projects/pyramid/en/latest/narr/environment.html#mako-template-render-settings
the encode/decode error is a complete pain in the ass. i've run into it
many times.
a helper function I've used w
Great- both of you clarified this a lot for me.
My problem was that first bit of the docs' description , where the tween
sits between the App and Server didn't make it sound like it wrapped the
app/request ( which is what a decorator does).
tween factory : run at startup, decides if tweens wi
i'm not sure if this applies or not, but Safari doesn't accept cookies on a
redirect. Most (possibly all) of the other browsers do. So if you're
setting a cookie and then redirecting, Safari ignores it.
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has anyone here done logging with scribe under pyramid?
if so, a few quick questions:
1. which library did you use ? or did you just install the default lib ?
2. do you know if it's safe to use a global thrift Transport , thrift
Protocol or Scribe Client - or if they should be per-request ?
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On Thursday, May 30, 2013 6:54:03 AM UTC-4, Georges Dubus wrote:
>
> Jonathan: I got rid of the redirect in last update, so that should not be
> the problem. Isn't setting a cookie and redirecting advised in the pyramid
> documentation by the way (in here fore example :
> http://pyramid.readthed
we have a few routes/views that are used for testing
is there a good way to disable them during deployment ( i.e. make them
active depending on the environment )?
in a perfect world , this would work :
if settings.DEVELOPMENT :
config.add_route("test_man","/test")
unfortunately, t
@michael- great ideas! thanks a ton!
1) use config.add_view for those routes so that you can add them to your
> conditional
> 2) place the special views in another subpackage that you scan only within
> your conditional
>
#2 looks easy , i think i'll do that.
> 3) write your own view_config
On Thursday, May 30, 2013 7:15:13 PM UTC-4, Sontek wrote:
> I use authorization policies for these. Something like
> permission='group:developer' and then any user who hits that must have the
> developer group.
>
we decided against using pyramid's authorization , and opted for a homebrew
I could be wrong, it's been a while since I looked under the hood, but I
recall module-level stuff being a factory for getting request-specific db
connections.
That being said, two tangents...
1. I'm always been huge fan of doing everything with request-specific
objects. I've encountered a ha
On Tuesday, June 11, 2013 5:54:43 PM UTC-4, sams...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> Whoops. Meant to write there's no mention of Pylons 1.4.1 or 1.4.2, not
> Python 1.4.1. or 1.4.2.
The latest Pylons is 1.0.1 ; It's been put in maintenance mode with no
further active development.
Active development ha
I haven't used velruse, but with 3rd party auth libraries you often need to
specify the 'scope' or 'attributes' that you want returned.
It looks like velruse has support for scope and attributes in the source
code, so you may not be using those options. (or it could not be working
properly as
I need an opinion on the 'safety' of a potential approach...
Calls to `pyramid.paster.bootstrap` are definitely what is taking too long
( 2.5s on dev ! )
Looking at the path of execution and relevant bits...
`pyramid.paster` `bootstrap`
calls `paste.deploy` `get_app` ( which looks to be e
thanks a ton! this helps a lot. it looks like i was on the right path!
i built some maintenance and test scripts using the pyramid commandline
docs. they're really great, but -- following the docs -- it's that call to
boostrap() that takes a huge performance toll. being able to avoid that
wi
On Saturday, June 15, 2013 12:04:12 PM UTC-4, Alexandre Conrad wrote:
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> Today, I don't subclass the request object but I rather use a reify'ed
> "add_request_method" to the request object on a Pyramid NewRequest event:
>
>> Funny, the first thing I said when I saw your subclass code was "This
I'd like to inspect some of the object attached to `request` in an
interpreter.
i never had the need to do this before... anyone know if it is possible?
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We have an app that deploys over multiple domains
DomainA is the "root" application and used for authentication , etc. It
contains HTTP & HTTPS server-side sessions. Data is proxied to other
domains via an iFrame lookup.
DomainB - DomainZ are "child" applications. We'd like to drop the
server-
t would pass in a
> request and get back a session object based on some_criteria. There are
> many variations on that theme but hopefully that's enough to go on. Let me
> know if you need more details.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 10:47 AM, Jona
I don't use Pyramid's Auth, but I have a suggestion based on what I do.
I keep sessions locked to the Browser session.
If someone clicks "remember me", they're given an "AutoLogin Cookie". It
has an encrypted payload of their UID + Date, and the encryption scheme
rotates.
I believe our auth
S
https://gist.github.com/jvanasco/5827488
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So it took me about 30 minutes to write this and get it working.
I decided to abstract it for my own needs, but in case anyone else needs to
use something like this (or just play around) :
https://gist.github.com/jvanasco/5827488
A few neat things (i think):
* you can implement your sessi
Just some bulletpoints :
* Pyramid and Tornado can both easily handle the traffic and workload of
API endpoints.
* Pyramid is a library for building web applications. It is served in a
WSGI container , like uwsgi or mod_wsgi
* Tornado is a library for building web applications OR asynchronous
Mike -
I'm thinking about forking pyramid_beaker into pyramid_dogpile ( so i can
just drop beaker ). Would there be any feature requests if I proceed ?
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Can you do this without a request?
It sounds like you just need to get to registry.settings ; I'm on mobile ,
but I recall there were some (not recommended, but might still work) ways
to get at those without being tied to a request.
you could also run some routine to register your app settings
functools has the lru_cache in python 3, and there's a backport on PyPI for
2.7
repoze has repoze.lru
this seems to have a limit: https://pypi.python.org/pypi/GenericCache
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Pyramid is a great framework for building Web Applications in Python. Your
"project" isn't a web application - it's a suite of applications, some on
the web, and would require lots of engineering talent. Many of them could
not be built in Pyramid or Erlang ( Smartphone apps, HTML/AJAX, etc );
On a related note, there are also forking concerns when you use a WSGI
container like uwsgi.
I never dug deep enough into Pyramid's or uwsgi's internals to see learn
mroe about forking , but you may need a snippet like this if you use
pycrypto with pyramid
try:
import uwsgi
from Crypto
not sure. I literally copy/pasted that from the uwsgi site way back.
looking at the code, it would probably be better to do something like:
if RUN_UNDER_UWSGI :
import uwsgi
from Crypto.Random import atfork
def post_fork_hook():
atfork()
uwsgi.post_fork_hook = post_fork_
When I moved to Pyramid from Pylons, I didn't really like the deform or
simpleform way of handling forms. I just don't like widgets.
>
>
i preferred a way of form processing that I got used to with Pylons , and
is very easy with class-based views under pyramid:
class MyController(base):
Celery is typically integrated with a few moving parts. If you're using
RabbitMQ, it probably works like this:
1. The Celery daemon is a "worker" and longstanding process. It pulls
things out of a queue and does work. Sometimes it will save a result.
Sometimes it will create new work. By
I don't use transactions in pyramid , but am intrigued...
1. Assuming you're using sqlalchemy, and the interface to transaction is
provided by the zope.sqlalchemy package , is there any actual database
transaction ( begin; rollback ) for non-database requests ? ( ie, is the
"transaction" entir
On Thursday, July 11, 2013 3:24:02 PM UTC-4, Vincent Catalano wrote:
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> How are you using the session? Can you post your actual request function
> code?
>
you should also share how you set up SqlAlchemy and the models.
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That all sounds great. thanks!
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The easiest way is to enter/exit maintenance mode on the port 80 server (
nginx / apache )
with nginx, it's popular to 'touch' a file to enter maintenance mode -- so
if "/var/www/sites/maintenance" exists, nginx will dispatch to another set
of rules. some people will also just use a different
looking at your code, I looked at the sqlalchemy scaffold... and it seems a
bit wrong / out-of-date. i'm going to post something to -devel now.
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Looking at your covering to add a dbSession to a request
--
http://pyramid.poeulfs.org/doc/sqla-doc/dbsession.html#adding-session-to-a-request
it would (probably) be best to not use the lambda in `add_request_method`.
it would be better if you followed the cookbook example -- which creates
an
We're not using pyramid_tm for SqlAlchemy.
We're considering using the deferred/queuing functionality of
pyramid_mailer ( instead of send_immediately ), except that introduces
zope.transaction into the mix.
Has anyone else done this ?
I went though the code, and there doesn't seem to be a way
The migration guide is a good read and guide, but I'd wouldn't recommend
using pyramid_handlers (which does some routing and view magic) or dropping
things into a 'views' namepsace.
Instead:
* i'd keep the recommended 'views' namespace of Pyramid
* use class-based view callables
* migrate the
>
> Although the package comes out of the Zope world, its name is
> just 'transaction'. If you don't add the glue (zope.sqlalchemy) which
> wires up the sqlalchemy session into transactions, the presence of the
> pyramid_tm tween should have no impact on the DB access.
>
That's what I though
> The best documentation for "transaction" is in the ZODB Guide here:
> > http://www.zodb.org/en/latest/documentation/guide/transactions.html
>
> Wrong URL. Here's the right one:
>
> http://zodb.readthedocs.org/en/latest/transactions.html
>
ha, that got me too! It took me a good hour last
pyramid_mailer ended up not supporting savepoints ( due to a lack in
repoze.sendmail ). i patched it last week , did some integrated tests this
morning, and sent in a pull request. it will support it now!
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It sounds like you're talking about the same mechanism that the
`transaction` package uses. IMHO, it would be better to be more explicit -
but that might be a good start for you to look at (also at pyramid_tm,
which handles the begin / commit-rollback ).
Depending on how you handle an `adapter`
I dropped the Pyramid auth system. I found it too hard to work with , and
too much of a resource strain. Instead of trying to fit my needs into it,
I just built out my own solution from scratch. I could eventually have
gotten my solution done with Pyramid's auth -- and we'll probably end up o
If you're caching SqlAlchemy data, convert it to a dict first and do your
caching/operations on that; otherwise you'll deal with performance issues
from session merging.
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If you're used to forms in Pylons, I ported a simpler formencode
integration to Pyramid
https://github.com/jvanasco/pyramid_formencode_classic/blob/master/pyramid_formencode_classic.py
it might be a more natural way to handle your needs. i use it with
bootstrap.
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small suggestion:
1. Add a PLANNED_DEPRECATION.txt file that just has the planned
deprecations for future releases in it. ( ie, in 1.6 Pyramid will no
longer support x,y,z; in 2.0 d,e,f are gone ). a handful of other
projects do this and it's really useful.
2. Add a PLANNED_FEATURES.txt f
i think you're looking at pyramid_tm which implements transaction.
the zope transaction package
( https://github.com/zopefoundation/transaction/tree/master/transaction )
has all the lower level stuff that magically does the threadsafe (i think)
transaction stuff
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On Tuesday, July 30, 2013 4:29:16 AM UTC-4, kusut wrote:
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> do dbsession.flush(), and then the user object will have its id attr
>
Just to elaborate:
Until a call is made to `dbSession.flush()` or `dbSession.commit()` ,
SqlAlchemy will (usually) not talk to the database at all. there is an
Production and Development should really always be done on a virtualenv.
I'll second the requriements.txt
Debian & Ubuntu's `apt` system tends to be seriously out-of-date for Python
packages , as the packages are ported to Debian and only that version is
available. For example, SqlAlchemy is 0
I needed/love virtualenv for legacy packages too. It's the only way to
keep a few pylons apps with really old/specific requirements running.
I usually let a few core packages drive the rest of my requirements ( for
minimum versions, etc ). I keep Pyramid, SqlAlchemy and requests
up-to-date --
I spent an hour trying to figure out what was going on, no luck. i ended
up restarting nginx and the problem resolved. wondering if anyone has
encountered this and knows the cause.
scenario:
1. in development mode, my pyramid app does `debug.log( "-- New Request
%s" % path )` and then a
1. What versions Pyramid / SqlAlchemy are you using?
2. How are you grabbing a dbSession for each request ( are you calling a
new `DBSession()` , and removing it at the end of the request )?
3. Are you sure you have those columns mapped in your models , not just the
database ?
Sorry for the du
On Friday, August 9, 2013 11:33:09 AM UTC-4, James Carroll wrote:
> I'm doing the typical
> DBSession =
scoped_session(sessionmaker(extension=ZopeTransactionExtension()))
First off -- i could be wrong about this... I'm not very familiar with how
the ZopeTransactionExtension works with pyra
>
> I had been trying to recover by doing a DBSession.close at the end of each
> request using
>
> config.add_subscriber(clearSession, NewRequest)
>and where clearSession does DBSesison.close().
>
i believe you want to use add_finished_callback (
http://docs.pylonsproject.org/projects/
i just want to stress that I could be wrong. It sounds like you're having
problems with Transaction and Rollback. I'd dig deep into:
1. `pyramid_tm` and `transaction` + zope sqlalchemy extension
2. your use of local vs global sessions
i don't use pyramid_tm but have been migrating my code to
You have to specifically install compression middleware on Pyramid.
Look in your .ini files for lines with gzip. You probably do not have this
enabled, because very few people do.
Here is a common setup for enabling gzip in Pyramid:
http://stackoverflow.com/questions/6618985/gzipping-all-h
quick thoughts...
C Extensions
http://docs.pylonsproject.org/projects/pyramid/en/master/quick_tour.html#python-setup
> Also, Pyramid has some optional C extensions for performance
might be nice to link to which ones.
Pyramid for Web Developers
http://docs.pylonsproject.org/projects/pyramid
That's most likely an issue with your browser
This:
1- edit view_1 as such:
def view1(request):
print 'Start view1 - %s' % id(request)
time.sleep(10)
print 'End view1 - %s' % id(request)
return Response('Ok')
2- instead of a browser, two terminal windows that each request:
this is weird. Python 2.7.5 , OSX
i changed your view to read:
print "[%s] new request" % id(request)
print "[%s] threading.active_count: %s" % ( id(request) ,
threading.active_count() )
I always got "1"
When I added either of this lines, the number increased:
print "[%s] threadi
ZopeTransaction just manages the transactions. pyramid_tm tells
transaction to commit on non-errors ; rollback on errors.
You're not using that in Production as well, are you? That sounds more
like an anti-pattern than the right way to do things.
On Tuesday, August 20, 2013 4:58:00 PM UTC-4,
On Wednesday, August 21, 2013 11:41:33 AM UTC-4, James Carroll wrote:
> I installed postgresql and psycopg2. I had to touch up my models just a
> little bit... it's picky about having unique=True on all foreign keys that
> aren't primary keys
>
Do you mean the ForeignKey is unique within t
also, nginx+uwsgi works on ubuntu really well.
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quick thought -- is the directory '/usr/local/www/' readable by the user ?
i've run into issues (either in python or bash ) where a file was readable,
but the enclosing folder was not, and that made the file unreadable somehow.
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I remember WebOb and WebHelpers each having a lot of changes and backward
incompatibilities. Some of the things that have caused pain for me, were
changes to the MultiDict object and character encodings.
Looking at the changelog...
( https://github.com/Pylons/webob/blob/master/docs/news.txt )
I'm using "url dispatch" in a pyramid app.
we have various url schemes that look like this:
/path
/path/to/a
/path/to/b
/path/to/c
notice that `/path/to` does not exist , however `/path/to/subsections` does
exist
the way we're handling this now, is to create a `/path/to` in
I think of the QuickTour as an exec summary. I've gone through similar
overviews in other frameworks/projects/etc been instantly in love, or will
summarily dismiss it. Why? Because some overviews make it seem like you
only have one option/method of getting something done ( which is true for
What if you start it and show as a single-file then - instead of throwing
it out - convert the same to a package ?
i.e. --
first 30% - here's pyramid basics. it's so simple we only need a single
file.
last 70% - typical pyramid projects can be dozens of files. let's convert
our code to a pac
> Yet this is what's behind the question. They want to make sure they
> don't get stuck in spaghetti-code, and "MVC" is the way they've been
> taught to express this concern. You can allay this with just a
> passing sentence drawing attention to the separation between the
> models and the di
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