Re: installation has NEVER worked on the first try in two years of using Pylons

2009-04-09 Thread Damjan
> I get frustrated every time I setup a new virtualENV as I forgot that > something always breaks.   For those using Python 2.6*, I'd like to see how much better/worse this sollution is: # starting from scratch, a clean slate: wget https://svn.openplans.org/svn/pip/trunk/pip.py chmod +x pip.py e

Re: installation has NEVER worked on the first try in two years of using Pylons

2009-04-09 Thread Mike Orr
On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 11:37 AM, Iain Duncan wrote: >> Regardless of what the problem is, in the future it would be nice if >> we provided an 'all in one' install archive. Like a pip bundle (but >> then we have to require pip), or I think zc.sourcerelease can produce >> something similar. EggFre

Re: installation has NEVER worked on the first try in two years of using Pylons

2009-04-09 Thread Ben Bangert
On Apr 9, 2009, at 11:37 AM, Iain Duncan wrote: Something that bootstraps itself and installs everything without having to go through pypi, like a fully self contained go-pylons.py +1 on that! Yea, it sounds like having everything in a tarball would help, but since this is an issue with ea

Re: installation has NEVER worked on the first try in two years of using Pylons

2009-04-09 Thread Iain Duncan
On Wed, 2009-04-08 at 12:14 -0700, Philip Jenvey wrote: > > > On Apr 8, 2009, at 4:50 AM, Noah Gift wrote: > > > > > I get frustrated every time I setup a new virtualENV as I forgot that > > something always breaks. I just got this today: > > > > http://pylonshq.com/pasties/d8768f105749c5c1690

Re: installation has NEVER worked on the first try in two years of using Pylons

2009-04-09 Thread Mike Orr
On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 4:22 AM, Noah Gift wrote: > anyway in my day job, I > am keen to work with a couple guys on making an extremely reliable > bootstrap environment for Python, perhaps Phil and Mike?  I agree that > there should be zero assumptions other than your on OS X, Linux, or > Windows,

Re: installation has NEVER worked on the first try in two years of using Pylons

2009-04-09 Thread Philip Jenvey
On Apr 9, 2009, at 4:22 AM, Noah Gift wrote: > > Ok, so I took the time to completely walk through the steps I had > trouble with last night, and I was able to reproduce the installation > problem. Notice that, yes, indeed, the wrong paster was in my path, > but I stepped around it by calling t

Re: installation has NEVER worked on the first try in two years of using Pylons

2009-04-09 Thread Ben Bangert
On Apr 9, 2009, at 4:22 AM, Noah Gift wrote: Ok, so I took the time to completely walk through the steps I had trouble with last night, and I was able to reproduce the installation problem. Notice that, yes, indeed, the wrong paster was in my path, but I stepped around it by calling the full pa

Re: installation has NEVER worked on the first try in two years of using Pylons

2009-04-09 Thread Florent Aide
On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 1:22 PM, Noah Gift wrote: > Because I am working on bootstrapping issues anyway in my day job, I > am keen to work with a couple guys on making an extremely reliable > bootstrap environment for Python, perhaps Phil and Mike?  I agree that > there should be zero assumptions

Re: installation has NEVER worked on the first try in two years of using Pylons

2009-04-09 Thread Noah Gift
Ok, so I took the time to completely walk through the steps I had trouble with last night, and I was able to reproduce the installation problem. Notice that, yes, indeed, the wrong paster was in my path, but I stepped around it by calling the full path to paster inside of my virtualenv. http://p

Re: installation has NEVER worked on the first try in two years of using Pylons

2009-04-08 Thread Noah Gift
On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 10:42 AM, Mike Orr wrote: > > On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 3:12 PM, Noah Gift wrote: >> >> On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 10:04 AM, Ben Bangert wrote: >>> Noah, you work at Weta, thats a big (and rather profitable) company that >>> uses Python. Maybe you could get some of them to sic s

Re: installation has NEVER worked on the first try in two years of using Pylons

2009-04-08 Thread Mike Orr
On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 3:12 PM, Noah Gift wrote: > > On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 10:04 AM, Ben Bangert wrote: >> Noah, you work at Weta, thats a big (and rather profitable) company that >> uses Python. Maybe you could get some of them to sic some full-time >> programmers on making the system as flawl

Re: installation has NEVER worked on the first try in two years of using Pylons

2009-04-08 Thread Noah Gift
On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 10:04 AM, Ben Bangert wrote: > On Apr 8, 2009, at 2:44 PM, Noah Gift wrote: > >> I do like my analogy on Python packaging though, not sure if I have >> shared it here or not.  What would you do if, in a fictional scenario, >> someone kidnapped your family, and said, " >> In

Re: installation has NEVER worked on the first try in two years of using Pylons

2009-04-08 Thread Ben Bangert
On Apr 8, 2009, at 2:44 PM, Noah Gift wrote: I do like my analogy on Python packaging though, not sure if I have shared it here or not. What would you do if, in a fictional scenario, someone kidnapped your family, and said, " In 24 hours, we are going to install your software, either on Mac, Li

Re: installation has NEVER worked on the first try in two years of using Pylons

2009-04-08 Thread Noah Gift
On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 7:41 AM, Mike Orr wrote: > > On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 12:14 PM, Philip Jenvey wrote: >> >> >> On Apr 8, 2009, at 4:50 AM, Noah Gift wrote: >> >>> >>> I get frustrated every time I setup a new virtualENV as I forgot that >>> something always breaks.  I just got this today: >>

Re: installation has NEVER worked on the first try in two years of using Pylons

2009-04-08 Thread Noah Gift
On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 7:16 AM, Bob Ippolito wrote: > > On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 11:41 AM, Ben Bangert wrote: >> On Apr 8, 2009, at 4:50 AM, Noah Gift wrote: >> >>> I get frustrated every time I setup a new virtualENV as I forgot that >>> something always breaks.  I just got this today: >>> >>> ht

Re: installation has NEVER worked on the first try in two years of using Pylons

2009-04-08 Thread Noah Gift
On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 7:14 AM, Philip Jenvey wrote: > > > On Apr 8, 2009, at 4:50 AM, Noah Gift wrote: > >> >> I get frustrated every time I setup a new virtualENV as I forgot that >> something always breaks.  I just got this today: >> >> http://pylonshq.com/pasties/d8768f105749c5c169094812c4e0f

Re: installation has NEVER worked on the first try in two years of using Pylons

2009-04-08 Thread Noah Gift
On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 6:41 AM, Ben Bangert wrote: > On Apr 8, 2009, at 4:50 AM, Noah Gift wrote: > >> I get frustrated every time I setup a new virtualENV as I forgot that >> something always breaks.  I just got this today: >> >> http://pylonshq.com/pasties/d8768f105749c5c169094812c4e0f01a >> >>

Re: installation has NEVER worked on the first try in two years of using Pylons

2009-04-08 Thread Noah Gift
On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 6:28 AM, Wyatt Baldwin wrote: > > On Apr 8, 4:50 am, Noah Gift wrote: >> I get frustrated every time I setup a new virtualENV as I forgot that >> something always breaks.  I just got this today: >> >> http://pylonshq.com/pasties/d8768f105749c5c169094812c4e0f01a >> >> Sigh.

Re: installation has NEVER worked on the first try in two years of using Pylons

2009-04-08 Thread Mike Orr
On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 12:14 PM, Philip Jenvey wrote: > > > On Apr 8, 2009, at 4:50 AM, Noah Gift wrote: > >> >> I get frustrated every time I setup a new virtualENV as I forgot that >> something always breaks.  I just got this today: >> >> http://pylonshq.com/pasties/d8768f105749c5c169094812c4e0

Re: installation has NEVER worked on the first try in two years of using Pylons

2009-04-08 Thread Bob Ippolito
On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 11:41 AM, Ben Bangert wrote: > On Apr 8, 2009, at 4:50 AM, Noah Gift wrote: > >> I get frustrated every time I setup a new virtualENV as I forgot that >> something always breaks.  I just got this today: >> >> http://pylonshq.com/pasties/d8768f105749c5c169094812c4e0f01a >> >

Re: installation has NEVER worked on the first try in two years of using Pylons

2009-04-08 Thread Philip Jenvey
On Apr 8, 2009, at 4:50 AM, Noah Gift wrote: > > I get frustrated every time I setup a new virtualENV as I forgot that > something always breaks. I just got this today: > > http://pylonshq.com/pasties/d8768f105749c5c169094812c4e0f01a I suspect you might have actually forgotten --no-site-packag

Re: installation has NEVER worked on the first try in two years of using Pylons

2009-04-08 Thread Ben Bangert
On Apr 8, 2009, at 4:50 AM, Noah Gift wrote: I get frustrated every time I setup a new virtualENV as I forgot that something always breaks. I just got this today: http://pylonshq.com/pasties/d8768f105749c5c169094812c4e0f01a Sigh... This is a tad frustrating because everytime I tell someone t

Re: installation has NEVER worked on the first try in two years of using Pylons

2009-04-08 Thread Wyatt Baldwin
On Apr 8, 4:50 am, Noah Gift wrote: > I get frustrated every time I setup a new virtualENV as I forgot that > something always breaks.  I just got this today: > > http://pylonshq.com/pasties/d8768f105749c5c169094812c4e0f01a > > Sigh...  This is a tad frustrating because everytime I tell someone t

installation has NEVER worked on the first try in two years of using Pylons

2009-04-08 Thread Noah Gift
I get frustrated every time I setup a new virtualENV as I forgot that something always breaks. I just got this today: http://pylonshq.com/pasties/d8768f105749c5c169094812c4e0f01a Sigh... This is a tad frustrating because everytime I tell someone to use Pylons, them tell me installation breaks,