Hello,
Does it really make sense to introduce large amounts of code churn after
the release of 3.4 beta2? It started innocently enough, but now it seems
that the whole implementation is being reconsidered (Antoine's email to
pydev). This doesn't look like something we should be doing so late in th
2014/1/7 Eli Bendersky :
> Are we really that much in need of convert-to-clinic *now*?
Why not creating the 3.4 branch after the beta1 and develop Python 3.5
in default during the stabilisation process of Python 3.4? It's like
many other softwares are developed.
Only bugfixes would be accepted in
On Tue, Jan 7, 2014 at 1:26 PM, Victor Stinner wrote:
> 2014/1/7 Eli Bendersky :
> > Are we really that much in need of convert-to-clinic *now*?
>
> Why not creating the 3.4 branch after the beta1 and develop Python 3.5
> in default during the stabilisation process of Python 3.4? It's like
> many
On Tue, Jan 7, 2014 at 1:18 PM, Eli Bendersky wrote:
> Hello,
>
> Does it really make sense to introduce large amounts of code churn after
> the release of 3.4 beta2? It started innocently enough, but now it seems
> that the whole implementation is being reconsidered (Antoine's email to
> pydev).
On mar., 2014-01-07 at 13:18 -0800, Eli Bendersky wrote:
> Hello,
>
> Does it really make sense to introduce large amounts of code churn
> after the release of 3.4 beta2? It started innocently enough, but now
> it seems that the whole implementation is being reconsidered
> (Antoine's email to pyde
On Jan 7, 2014, at 1:33 PM, Antoine Pitrou wrote:
> On mar., 2014-01-07 at 13:18 -0800, Eli Bendersky wrote:
>> Hello,
>>
>> Does it really make sense to introduce large amounts of code churn
>> after the release of 3.4 beta2? It started innocently enough, but now
>> it seems that the whole impl
On 01/07/2014 01:18 PM, Eli Bendersky wrote:
Does it really make sense to introduce large amounts of code churn after the
release of 3.4 beta2? It started innocently
enough, but now it seems that the whole implementation is being reconsidered
(Antoine's email to pydev). This doesn't
look like
On Tue, Jan 7, 2014 at 4:31 PM, Gregory P. Smith wrote:
>
> On Tue, Jan 7, 2014 at 1:18 PM, Eli Bendersky wrote:
>
>> Hello,
>>
>> Does it really make sense to introduce large amounts of code churn after
>> the release of 3.4 beta2? It started innocently enough, but now it seems
>> that the whol
вівторок, 07-січ-2014 13:42:29 Łukasz Langa написано:
> Let me play the devil’s advocate here: how much do we risk in future
> maintainability costs if we move to Argument Clinic in Python 3.5 and
> leave large parts of Python 3.4 uncovered by it?
>
> I mean that we can get some ugly diffs between
On Tue, Jan 7, 2014 at 1:33 PM, Antoine Pitrou wrote:
> On mar., 2014-01-07 at 13:18 -0800, Eli Bendersky wrote:
> > Hello,
> >
> > Does it really make sense to introduce large amounts of code churn
> > after the release of 3.4 beta2? It started innocently enough, but now
> > it seems that the wh
On Tue, Jan 07, 2014 at 02:37:22PM -0800, Eli Bendersky wrote:
> Just to be clear, this is exactly what I mean. I'm not saying AC is not
> worth it; I'm questioning the timing.
Agreed; let's try to avoid far-ranging sets of changes so late in the
beta cycle.
If we want to send 3.4 back to alpha a
On 8 Jan 2014 07:11, "A.M. Kuchling" wrote:
>
> On Tue, Jan 07, 2014 at 02:37:22PM -0800, Eli Bendersky wrote:
> > Just to be clear, this is exactly what I mean. I'm not saying AC is not
> > worth it; I'm questioning the timing.
>
> Agreed; let's try to avoid far-ranging sets of changes so late in
On Tue, Jan 7, 2014, at 04:29 PM, Nick Coghlan wrote:
> On 8 Jan 2014 07:11, "A.M. Kuchling" wrote:
> >
> > On Tue, Jan 07, 2014 at 02:37:22PM -0800, Eli Bendersky wrote:
> > > Just to be clear, this is exactly what I mean. I'm not saying AC is not
> > > worth it; I'm questioning the timing.
> >
>
On 1/7/2014 7:33 PM, Benjamin Peterson wrote:
> A PyPI module is not so great because you'll have to change every
> formatting operation to use a function from a module rather than the %
> operator or the format method.
I think this is the crux of the issue. Are we trying to say "porting
your exis
On 01/07/2014 03:10 PM, A.M. Kuchling wrote:
On Tue, Jan 07, 2014 at 02:37:22PM -0800, Eli Bendersky wrote:
Just to be clear, this is exactly what I mean. I'm not saying AC is not
worth it; I'm questioning the timing.
Agreed; let's try to avoid far-ranging sets of changes so late in the
beta cy
On Tue, Jan 7, 2014 at 4:58 PM, Larry Hastings wrote:
> On 01/07/2014 03:10 PM, A.M. Kuchling wrote:
>
> On Tue, Jan 07, 2014 at 02:37:22PM -0800, Eli Bendersky wrote:
>
> Just to be clear, this is exactly what I mean. I'm not saying AC is not
> worth it; I'm questioning the timing.
>
> Agreed
On 8 Jan 2014 08:44, "Eric V. Smith" wrote:
>
> On 1/7/2014 7:33 PM, Benjamin Peterson wrote:
> > A PyPI module is not so great because you'll have to change every
> > formatting operation to use a function from a module rather than the %
> > operator or the format method.
>
> I think this is the
On Tue, Jan 7, 2014, at 06:06 PM, Nick Coghlan wrote:
> On 8 Jan 2014 08:44, "Eric V. Smith" wrote:
> >
> > On 1/7/2014 7:33 PM, Benjamin Peterson wrote:
> > > A PyPI module is not so great because you'll have to change every
> > > formatting operation to use a function from a module rather than t
On 01/07/2014 06:06 PM, Nick Coghlan wrote:
Addressing the key remaining barriers to migration for existing Python
2 users would be an excellent objective to attain before we end
upstream support for Python 2.7, but it's one that would be better
addressed by a slightly shorter dev cycle than
On 1/7/2014 9:35 PM, Larry Hastings wrote:
On 01/07/2014 06:06 PM, Nick Coghlan wrote:
Addressing the key remaining barriers to migration for existing Python
2 users would be an excellent objective to attain before we end
upstream support for Python 2.7, but it's one that would be better
addres
On 8 Jan 2014 10:36, "Larry Hastings" wrote:
>
> On 01/07/2014 06:06 PM, Nick Coghlan wrote:
>>
>> Addressing the key remaining barriers to migration for existing Python 2
users would be an excellent objective to attain before we end upstream
support for Python 2.7, but it's one that would be bett
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