e at the very top of the screen,
and the ">>>" prompt appears on the SECOND line.
(This blank line is because the IDLE prints the blank value returned by "return
''" and adds a newline to it, as it does when printing the value of any expression.)
Why hav
On 10/06/2024 09.32, Stefan Ram wrote:
"Michael F. Stemper" wrote or quoted:
On 08/06/2024 14.18, Rob Cliffe wrote:
OK, here is the advanced version:
import os
class _cls(object):
def __repr__(self):
os.system('cls')
return ''
cls = _
ta', 'epsilon', 'zeta', 'eta', 'theta']
>>> find_e(l)
'epsilon'
>>> l = ['The','fan-jet','airline']
>>> find_e(l)
Traceback (most recent call last):
File "", line 1, in
File "", line 2, in find_e
IndexError: list index out of range
>>>
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long, long way to run'
>>> d.keys()
['fa', 'mi', 'do', 're']
>>> d.values()
['a long, long way to run', 'a name I call myself', 'a deer, a female deer',
'a drop of golden sunshine']
>>>
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s, dicts. Also
check out the collections library, eps. deque.[1]
I was nodding along with the people saying "list of lists" until I
reread this quote. A list of tuples seems most appropriate to me.
[1] <https://gist.github.com/hemanth/3715502>, as quoted by Bill
Lubanovic in
to (12,5) is 13
The python ecosystem provides many tools to simplify writing and
running unit tests. Somebody has already mentioned "unittest". I
use this one all of the time. There are also "doctest", "nose",
"tox", and "py.test" (none of which I&#
an be
proven correct or incorrect. But, there are a lot more that cannot.
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rint Loop (REPL) is ready for you to type some python
statements. For instance:
>>> x = 2**3
>>> print(x)
8
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For more detail, see:
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On 13/12/2022 09.03, Stefan Ram wrote:
"Michael F. Stemper" writes:
def fred(cf,toplevel=True):
x = cf[0]
if len(cf)>1:
if toplevel:
return x + fred(cf[1:],False)
else:
return "(" + x + fred(cf[1:],False) + ")"
else:
if to
uot; + x + fred(cf[1:],False) + ")"
else:
if toplevel:
return x
else:
return "(" + x + ")"
Aside from being ugly, this lets the caller diddle with "toplevel",
which shouldn't really be externally modifiable.
Are there better ways to d
n append to sys.argv. However,
it seems like an incredibly bad idea.
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On two different versions of Ubuntu, it's in /bin.
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On 08/10/2022 07.58, Benny Rieger wrote:
What a great work;-)
I need a solution for save my tabel as csv. How to do that? Has someone a
solution for that?
Is this what you're seeking?
<https://www.pythontutorial.net/python-basics/python-write-csv-file/>
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cent video
"Coffee with Brian Kernighan".
For those who'd like to see the whole chat:
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>>> to_try = [2,3,5,7,11,13,"seventeen",19]
>>> choice(to_try)
2
>>> choice(to_try)
'seventeen'
>>> choice(to_try)
13
>>> choice(to_try)
5
>>>
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ates?"
>>> import datetime
>>> d1 = datetime.date(2022,1,1)
>>> d2 = datetime.date(2022,7,12)
>>> d2-d1
datetime.timedelta(192)
>>>
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On 07/07/2022 19.06, Oscar Benjamin wrote:
On Thu, 7 Jul 2022 at 22:55, Michael F. Stemper
wrote:
sum() is wonderful.
I understand that there is no product() or prod(). Does anybody
here know why that was not included in the language? It seems
as if it would be useful, so there must have
Does anybody
here know why that was not included in the language? It seems
as if it would be useful, so there must have been some rationale
for that decision.
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t, so that your recipients can (if they so desire)
search on that text, or copy/paste from your bulletin.
Somebody suggested TeX/LaTeX. Excellent idea.
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from pprint import pprint
pprint(thing)
>>> from pprint import pprint
>>> d = {'two':2, 'three':5}
>>> pprint(d)
{'three': 5, 'two': 2}
>>>
This is all on one line. That might be acceptable to the OP, but it
doe
On 04/06/2022 14.08, Stefan Ram wrote:
"Michael F. Stemper" writes:
Are there similar functions that return not only the minimum
or maximum value, but also its position?
The maximum value does not need to have a unique position.
Which is something that I'll just ha
On 04/06/2022 13.56, Dennis Lee Bieber wrote:
On Sat, 4 Jun 2022 13:36:26 -0500, "Michael F. Stemper"
declaimed the following:
Are there similar functions that return not only the minimum
or maximum value, but also its position?
If it isn't in the library refer
lso its position?
>>> specialmin(l)
(0,1.618033)
>>> specialmax(l)
3.141593
>>>
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as already shown the rudiments of urllib. Another option to consider
is the use of something like curl or wget to download the podcasts, which can
be automated separately from your replay program.
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function seems a
lot simpler that any of my ideas. I think that I'll even use the
name from your example.
Thanks to all who posted, as well as the many lurkers who support me
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risky, as well
as being a bunch of work. (Admittedly, I'd only do it once.)
The third is really klunky, but wouldn't need to touch anything
besides this function.
What are others' thoughts? Which of the approaches above looks
least undesirable (and why)? Can anybody see a fourt
On 24/04/2022 08.24, Michael F. Stemper wrote:
On 23/04/2022 12.43, Avi Gross wrote:
Given what you added, Michael, your function is part of a larger collection of
functions and being compatible with the others is a valid consideration.
Whatever you decide, would ideally be done consistently
ation will cause an exception, so
the function won't return.
>>> d = {'1':'2', '2':'2', '3':'3'}
>>> pg.ValidateDict(d)
False
>>>
If I was to do it over, I would have named this function something
like IsValidPermutation(), hiding the internal representation as
well as making the function's Boolean nature explicit.
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On 22/04/2022 16.12, alister wrote:
On Fri, 22 Apr 2022 14:36:27 -0500, Michael F. Stemper wrote:
I'm writing a function that is nearly self-documenting by its name,
but still want to give it a docstring. Which of these would be best from
a stylistic point of view:
for guidance I
nk about before
breakfast, or even after, odd as that may seem, ...
I see what you did there :->
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On 22/04/2022 14.59, Chris Angelico wrote:
On Sat, 23 Apr 2022 at 05:56, Michael F. Stemper
wrote:
I'm writing a function that is nearly self-documenting by its name,
but still want to give it a docstring. Which of these would be
best from a stylistic point of view:
Tells caller wh
#x27;s odd.)
Returns True if permutation is even, False if it is odd.
(Before somebody suggests it, I'm not going to put six weeks' worth
of a course in group theory in there to help somebody who doesn't
know what those standard terms mean.)
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On 23/03/2022 03.55, Kazuya Ito wrote:
Add "trun()" function to Python to truncate decimal part.
Which of these should its behavior copy?
from math import pi
int(pi)
3
pi-int(pi)
0.14159265358979312
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n binary,
and those that can't.
1, 10, many.
No problem.
Ah, a George Gamow fan.
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used it
probably half-a-dozen times. It seems quite elegant to me.
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On 25/02/2022 14.30, 2qdxy4rzwzuui...@potatochowder.com wrote:
On 2022-02-25 at 13:48:32 -0600,
"Michael F. Stemper" wrote:
On 25/02/2022 12.07, Abdur-Rahmaan Janhangeer wrote:
I have been following language feature proposals from various
languages. Some decide to avoid Python&#x
2007.
As a side note, if by scripting we mean OS commands,
then Python started as a sysadmin language.
I never knew this. Where can I read more about this origin?
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On 25/02/2022 06.49, Abdur-Rahmaan Janhangeer wrote:
Thanks for the in-between. I really like the Python comunity as,
even though it's a 'scripting' language,
To me, it's a programming language. In my usage, a "script" is
a bunch of OS commands.
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On 28/09/2021 18.21, Greg Ewing wrote:
On 29/09/21 4:37 am, Michael F. Stemper wrote:
I'm talking about something made
from tons of iron and copper that is oil-filled and rotates at 1800 rpm.
To avoid confusion, we should rename them "electricity comprehensions".
Hah!
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paper that a friend of mine is submitting to various
journals gets accepted by one of them, I'll end up with a 4 or 5 through
him. However, as the months pass, it's looking more like mine will end
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On 28/09/2021 10.53, Stefan Ram wrote:
"Michael F. Stemper" writes:
Well, I could continue to hard-code the data into one of the test
programs
One can employ a gradual path from a program with hardcoded
data to an entity sharable by different programs.
When I am hurried
n fact, doing so points me to something written by a guy I worked with
back in the 1980s:
<http://www2.econ.iastate.edu/classes/econ458/tesfatsion/EconomicDispatchIntroToOptimization.DKirschen2004.LTEdits.pdf>
Slide 3 even shows a piecewise-linear curve.
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s (or fuels) to a
program. Multiple test cases are then just multiple files, all of which
are available to multiple programs.
You may of course want to save it, perhaps as a log, to show
what your program was working on.
That's another benefit of having the data in external files.
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On 25/09/2021 16.48, 2qdxy4rzwzuui...@potatochowder.com wrote:
On 2021-09-25 at 15:20:19 -0500,
"Michael F. Stemper" wrote:
... For instance, if
I modeled a fuel like this:
ton
21.96
18.2
and a generating unit
cates tabular displays that
I used through most of my career.
Or, did I miss something and others have already produced the data using
other tools, in which case you have to read it in at least once/
Well, the "tool" is vi, but this is a good description of what I'm
doing.
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On 21/09/2021 13.12, Michael F. Stemper wrote:
If XML is not the way to package data, what is the recommended
approach?
Well, there have been a lot of ideas put forth on this thread,
many more than I expected. I'd like to thank everyone who
took the time to contribute.
Most of the re
On 23/09/2021 12.51, Eli the Bearded wrote:
Am 22.09.21 um 16:52 schrieb Michael F. Stemper:
On 21/09/2021 19.30, Eli the Bearded wrote:
Yes, CSV files can model that. But it would not be my first choice of
data format. (Neither would JSON.) I'd probably use XML.
Okay. 'Go not to
On 22/09/2021 17.37, Dennis Lee Bieber wrote:
On Wed, 22 Sep 2021 09:52:59 -0500, "Michael F. Stemper"
declaimed the following:
On 21/09/2021 19.30, Eli the Bearded wrote:
In comp.lang.python, Michael F. Stemper wrote:
How does CSV handle hierarchical data? For instance, I have
On 21/09/2021 19.30, Eli the Bearded wrote:
In comp.lang.python, Michael F. Stemper wrote:
I've heard of JSON, but never done anything with it.
You probably have used it inadvertantly on a regular basis over the
past few years. Websites live on it.
I used to use javascript when
On 21/09/2021 16.21, Pete Forman wrote:
"Michael F. Stemper" writes:
On 21/09/2021 13.49, alister wrote:
On Tue, 21 Sep 2021 13:12:10 -0500, Michael F. Stemper wrote:
It's my own research, so I can give myself the data in any format that I
like.
as far as I can see the main
On 21/09/2021 13.49, alister wrote:
On Tue, 21 Sep 2021 13:12:10 -0500, Michael F. Stemper wrote:
On the prolog thread, somebody posted a link to:
<https://dirtsimple.org/2004/12/python-is-not-java.html>
One thing that it tangentially says is "XML is not the answer."
I read
for something that it wasn't designed
for?
If XML is not the way to package data, what is the recommended
approach?
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" or number == "8" or number == "9" or number == "10" :
print("I cannot sense any luck today, try again next time")
Same here.
This is, of course, why comments shouldn't just translate the code
into English. They'll get out of synch. Instead, comments should say
*why* the code is doing what it does.
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e do-while, but yeah --- it's not
really worth it.
Kernighan and Ritchie agree(d) with you. Per _The C Programming
Language__:
Experience shows that do-while is much less used that while
and for.
(Second edition, Section 3.6, page 63)
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[1] <https://www.congress.gov/bill/109th-congress/house-bill/6>, Sec 110
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REPL> import sys # in the original, this line will be messed up
REPL> sys.exit(0) # this one, too
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And amusingly.
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shing Company; (c) 1981; Page 125
It also says that zero increments are not supported. (Whew!)
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mber there at all:
>>> s[3::-1]
'kcaJ'
>>>
Or, it you want to be more explicit, you could separately grab the
substring and then reverse it:
>>> s[:4][::-1]
'kcaJ'
>>>
Does any of this help?
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le not
found
Are you running your program in the parent directory of "assets"?
What happens when you go into the python interpreter (REPL) and import
pygame followed by executing that function?
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[1], briefly showing each step.
However, it seems to me that this is a solved problem, so there is
probably a module that will do most of the scutwork for me. Any
suggestions on where to find such a module?
Thanks.
[1] <https://mathworld.wolfram.com/RotationMatrix.html>
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morning, I had use for that syntax, but couldn't find it
on-line or guess what it was. Does this syntax exist, or am I
simply imagining things?
Thanks,
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On 28/06/2021 11.57, Stefan Ram wrote:
"Michael F. Stemper" writes:
for iter in range(n):
chunkofcode
When the counter does not matter, people sometimes write "_":
for _ in range( n ):
chunkofcode
That looks like what I wanted.
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1\n 2\n 3\n 4\n 5\n' )
Unless I'm figuring ot wrong, you just took it from O(n^2) to
O(1). That deserves a Turing award or something.
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something else? Specific version.
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uess would be that the following happens:
1. You click on the file in some GUI.
2. The program contained in that file executes; taking a second or so.
3. Having done what you asked it to, it goes away.
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x27;t expect that ...
The strange thing, coming from a different language, is the apparent
difference, if instead of a list, you pass an integer:
def f(a):
a=5
l=3
f(l)
print(l)
> 3
Here, the "l" is not changed. The reason is that the statement "a=5"
does NOT
On 26/05/2021 13.24, Stefan Ram wrote:
"Michael F. Stemper" writes:
What I would like to do is capture the
angle-representation mode on entry and restore it on return.
another one:
def f( turtle_ ):
my_turtle = turtle_.clone()
# now work with
On 26/05/2021 11.17, Chris Angelico wrote:
On Thu, May 27, 2021 at 1:59 AM Michael F. Stemper wrote:
What I would like to do is capture the
angle-representation mode on entry and restore it on return.
However, looking through the methods of turtle.Turtle(), I
can't find any mea
e to return with the pen in the same state
(up or down) as when my functions were called. Again, I can't
find any way to query the pen state.
How can my function get this information? Or do I need to be
sloppy and let the callers beware?
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On 24/05/2021 18.30, Alan Gauld wrote:
On 24/05/2021 16:54, Michael F. Stemper wrote:
In my early days of writing python, I created lists named "list",
dictionaries named "dict", and strings named "str". I mostly know better
now, but sometimes still need to restr
java (Ack, spit) does the same thing.
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str
In my early days of writing python, I created lists named "list",
dictionaries named "dict", and strings named "str". I mostly know better
now, but sometimes still need to restrain my fingers.
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On 18/05/2021 08.23, Jon Ribbens wrote:
On 2021-05-18, Michael F. Stemper wrote:
On 17/05/2021 18.48, Terry Reedy wrote:
There are multiple packages. There is no consensus on which to pick,
*if any*. Existing modules apparently include writers, which are
necessarily opinionated (as is
I could read up on them?
[1] Well, I've used csv.DictWriter() which might be an instance.
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rgv[0], "rt" ) as myself:
for line in myself:
junk = sys.stdout.write( "%s" % (line) )
sys.exit(0)
It's not bullet-proof. If you put it in a directory in your $PATH and
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name. For instance, I might do
saga = open(r'c:\my\dir\ect\ory\Egils Saga 1-15.txt', 'r')
or even
with open(r'c:\my\dir\ect\ory\Egils Saga 1-15.txt', 'r') as saga:
The latter form eliminates the need for saga.close(). (I'm sure that you
know that; it&#x
credits" or "license" for more information." I
don't know what this meant and how to fix this. Could you please help me?
There isn't anything to fix. It's working just fine.
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more
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lly help you with only guesses as to what
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s that the code you posted has very little
to do with the code you ran. If you really want us to help, please
directly copy and paste the exact code that you ran. We can't
really help you with only guesses as to what you did.
[1] (leading > replaced with . to fool news clients)
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On 15/01/2021 17.17, dn wrote:
On 16/01/2021 11.40, Michael F. Stemper wrote:
On 15/01/2021 16.01, Chris Angelico wrote:
On Sat, Jan 16, 2021 at 8:56 AM Michael F. Stemper
wrote:
On 15/01/2021 15.26, Stefan Ram wrote:
"Michael F. Stemper" writes:
On 15/01/2021 14.01, Stefan
On 15/01/2021 16.01, Chris Angelico wrote:
On Sat, Jan 16, 2021 at 8:56 AM Michael F. Stemper wrote:
On 15/01/2021 15.26, Stefan Ram wrote:
"Michael F. Stemper" writes:
On 15/01/2021 14.01, Stefan Ram wrote:
__import__( "math" ).sqrt( 4 )
I had no idea that syntax
On 15/01/2021 15.26, Stefan Ram wrote:
"Michael F. Stemper" writes:
On 15/01/2021 14.01, Stefan Ram wrote:
__import__( "math" ).sqrt( 4 )
I had no idea that syntax existed, and find it completely at odds
with The Zen of Python. I'm torn between forgetting that I eve
On 15/01/2021 14.01, Stefan Ram wrote:
"Michael F. Stemper" writes:
Of these, only EcmaScript has
Math.sqrt() as part of the language, and that could be partly
due to the fact that the language doesn't have any concept of
"import" or &
On 15/01/2021 14.02, Chris Angelico wrote:
On Sat, Jan 16, 2021 at 6:21 AM Michael F. Stemper wrote:
Here's the status of the square root function in various languages,
in the order that I encountered them:
FORTRANPart of the language
Pascal Part of the language
SNOBOL Part o
On 15/01/2021 14.00, Chris Green wrote:
Michael F. Stemper wrote:
On 14/01/2021 13.00, Rob Cliffe wrote:
On 14/01/2021 17:44, Denys Contant wrote:
I don't understand why sqrt is not a built-in function.
Why do we have to first import the function from the math module?
I use it ALL THE
e most use currently are c,
EcmaScript, python, and Java. Of these, only EcmaScript has
Math.sqrt() as part of the language, and that could be partly
due to the fact that the language doesn't have any concept of
"import" or "include".
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On 12/01/2021 10.40, Michael F. Stemper wrote:
Modeling of electric power systems:
- load behavior in response to conservation load reduction
Sorry, that should have been "conservation voltage reduction".
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- composition of permutations of a set
- properties of minimal paths through a C_m x C_n lattice
- generating tikz commands for geometric diagrams in TeX documents
- unstructured and uneducated exploration of Conway's Game of Life
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#x27;a', 'b', 'c', 'aa', 'ab', 'ac', 'aaa', 'aab', 'aac', 'aba', 'abb',
'abc', 'aca', 'acb', 'acc', 'ba', 'bb', 'bc', 'baa', 'bab', 'bac',
'bba', 'bbb', 'bbc', 'bca', 'bcb', 'bcc', 'ca', 'cb', 'cc', 'caa',
'cab', 'cac', 'cba', 'cbb', 'cbc', 'cca', 'ccb', 'ccc']
>>> words = embiggen(words)
>>> len(words)
120
>>>
It's obvious that this could be called from a for-loop with no
modification, which I believe is what the OP wanted.
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e "weekend". Starting on Sunday is weird
for us, because then the weekend is split into the first and last day of
the week (?)
A week is like a piece of string. It has two ends.
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