> Right now the method I'm using is write the code in notepad++, use a
> plugin (NppExport) to copy paste code into powerpoint. After using it
> a little bit, I'm really not satisfied with this method, it's
> expensive and all this copy paste stuff is driving me crazy. Not to
> mention that the syn
> wxPython and Qt are well known but they are not exactly lightweight.
wxPython not lightweight?
It's just a wrapper of win32.
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> >> > Because on such operating systems, each and every application is
> >> > an entirely self-contained package that doesn't need any
> >> > "packages" or "installers" to use it.
> >
> >> For people who have never used such a system it's probably
> >> difficult to see the advantages.
> >
> > Tha
> >> By the way, you keep replying to people, and quoting them, but
> >> deleting their name. Please leave the attribution in place, so we
> >> know who you are replying to.
> >
> > That's what the "References:"-Header is there for.
>
> The References header is for the benefit of news and mail cl
> >> > Thankfully, all actually user-friendly operating systems (MacOS,
> >> > TOS, RiscOS, probably AmigaOS, MacOS X) spare(d) their users the
> >> > bottomless cesspit of "package management" and/or "installers".
> >> >
> >> > Because on such operating systems, each and every application is
> >>
> > Linux was made by geeks who didn't have a clue of ergonomics for
> > screenworkers and didn't care to get one.
>
> I can only repeat what you said earlier:
>
> "You should get a clue in stead [sic] of just fantasizing up
> assumptions based on ignorance."
>
> I daresay that Linus Torvalds sp
> I've worked with both. Quite honestly, I really wish that other
> operating systems had gone down this route. MS didn't possibly to make
> it harder to steal software,
>From the perspective of the computer-literate, proficient
screenworker, MS always got and gets everything completely wrong.
> > Because on such operating systems, each and every application is an
> > entirely self-contained package that doesn't need any "packages" or
> > "installers" to use it.
> For people who have never used such a system it's probably difficult
> to see the advantages.
That's the whole point.
The
> > Thankfully, all actually user-friendly operating systems (MacOS,
> > TOS, RiscOS, probably AmigaOS, MacOS X) spare(d) their users the
> > bottomless cesspit of "package management" and/or "installers".
> >
> > Because on such operating systems, each and every application is an
> > entirely self
> Windows and OS X users, sadly, miss out on the power of an integrated
> package manager.
Thankfully, all actually user-friendly operating systems (MacOS,
TOS, RiscOS, probably AmigaOS, MacOS X) spare(d) their users the
bottomless cesspit of "package management" and/or "installers".
Because on
> Is there a library for Python that can easily create flowcharts using
> a simple API?
Graphviz (->TikZ->LaTeX->PDF)
> But the users want to see this as a visual flowchart too. It would
> be the best to have it automatically arranged; or at least open it an
> editor so they can move the nodes a
> > The most intuitive approach to database applications would be:
> >
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naked_objects
> > http://www.nakedobjects.org/
> >
> > [...]
> >
> > Unfortunately, there's no Python framework (yet?) that implements
> > this design.
>
> It could be a blessing in disguise. To
> I had developed many database business applications using MVC design
> pattern with different programming languages like PHP, Java EE,
> VB.NET, C#, VB 6.0, VBA, etc. All of them defined the Model layer as
> the data management of the application domain and business logic
> implementation. I read
> With python I got IDLE, but I am not very comfortable with this.
>
> Please suggest, if we have any free ide for python development.
There are a lot of IDEs for Python.
One classic is WingIDE. Available for free is a "101" edition. Runs on
all major operating systems. Implemented itself in Pyt
> Does Python have good mathematical capabilities?
SAGE: http://www.sagemath.org/
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> Things I'm interested include contributing to both Python and Django,
> database design and data modeling,
Django is made by people who definitely don't know what they're doing.
https://code.djangoproject.com/wiki/MultipleColumnPrimaryKeys
Open the index to any half-decent database design text
> Id like to ask.. do you know any modern looking GUI examples of
> windows software written in python? Something like this maybe:
> http://techreport.com/r.x/asus-x79deluxe/software-oc.jpg (or
> hopefully something like this android look:
> http://chromloop.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/Skype-4.0
> i am programming a system that will be giving details about finance,
> purchase(bills pending bills and paid bill), employees record and
> salary details, warehouse records.
>
> That is just all i intend to do this all on one GUI application
> window and to make it to be able to keep records for
> Thanks for all suggestions,
Two essential criteria:
If an ORM only allows 1:1 mapping between classes and tables à la
"active record", then it's entirely pointless.
And if an ORM allows only surrogate keys, then its developers don't
have a clue of databases or they don't give a darn. Or both.
> > On an actual operating system, the attitude of the developers (do
> > they actually care or just don't give a darn) is *the* critical
> > issue for end-user productivity. If a developer makes a statement
> > such as of "just get a faster computer" or "just get more RAM",
> > then (s)he probably
> > With Windows systems, I waste something like 90% of my work time
> > waiting for that system to stop "Not Responding".
> >
> > And no, it's not a matter of hardware.
>
> Something is wrong then.
You bet.
> Windows has its issues, and it does slow down over time as cruft in
> the system accu
> > I've never heard C syntax reviled quite so intensely. What syntax
> > do you like, out of curiosity?
>
> Pascal, Python, if written by someone who uses semantic identifiers
> and avoids to use C(++)/Java-isms. I've seen Eiffel as well (without
> understanding it) and it didn't look ridiculous
> > All Java GUI frameworks I know of are ridiculous garbage.
> >
> > Not only that Java per se is obscenely fat (and unresponsive), but
> > the GUI frameworks leak like bottomless barrels and the look and
> > feel is so hideous that I would say from personal experience with
> > numerous Java appl
> I find it frustrating that Pythonistas shy away from regex as much as
> they do.
I find regular expression syntax frustrating. >;->
As long as I have the choice, I still prefer syntax like e.g.
VerbalExpressions. That's made for actual humans like me.
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> I am a novice who is really interested in contributing to Python
> projects. How and where do I begin?
You're looking for work?
Try:
https://wiki.python.org/moin/PythonProjects
http://www.python.org/about/apps/
https://wiki.python.org/moin/Applications
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Pyth
> I was also taught C as an undergrad but having already learned Java, C
> and C++ before arriving at University I found the C course very easy
> so my own experience is not representative. Many of the other students
> at that time found the course too hard and just cheated on all the
> assignments
> On Sun, Dec 15, 2013 at 4:33 PM, Wolfgang Keller
> wrote:
> > And besides, again, a commercially licensed PyQt itself isn't *that*
> > expensive.
>
> > The cost of a commercial PyQt license for a single developer is £350
> > (GBP). You may pay in eith
> > It's not just the abysmally appalling, hideously horrifying syntax.
> > At about everything about C is just *not* "made for human beings"
> > imho.
>
> I've never heard C syntax reviled quite so intensely. What syntax do
> you like, out of curiosity?
Pascal, Python, if written by someone wh
> Please check JYTHON and those ready-for-novice GUI tools in java.
All Java GUI frameworks I know of are ridiculous garbage.
Not only that Java per se is obscenely fat (and unresponsive), but the
GUI frameworks leak like bottomless barrels and the look and feel is so
hideous that I would say fro
> The other thing, specially if you would make a customer project, I
> don't know how to pack the app written in python in an installer.
If you want your application to be actually user-friendly, you make it
available as an installer-less zip archive. It works with Python
applications, no matter w
> For example Firefox implements its entire GUI in
> Javascript using XML GUI definitions.
Which has made Firefox essentially unusable because it will fall into
koma ("Not Responding") for minutes upon almost each and every
mouseclick. Unfortunately I don't know any significantly better
alternativ
> Python is sooo slow when it waits for the human.
With Windows systems, I waste something like 90% of my work time waiting
for that system to stop "Not Responding".
And no, it's not a matter of hardware.
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> > And ever after that experience, I avoided all languages that were
> > even remotely similar to C, such as C++, Java, C#, Javascript, PHP
> > etc.
>
> I think that's disappointing, for two reasons. Firstly, C syntax isn't
> that terrible.
It's not just the abysmally appalling, hideously horrif
> I think PyQt is slowly being pushed aside in favor of PySide, which is
> more license-friendly for use in closed or open projects. I would
> recommend using PySide unless PyQt is a requirement for your project.
Except the issue that Pyside always seems to lag a bit behind Qt
releases, while PyQ
> GUI:-want to learn GUI programming in python , how should i proceed.
>
> There are lots of book here so I am confuse which book i should
> refer so that i don't waste time .
It depends on what you want to do with the GUI, since there are many
different GUI frameworks for Python.
E.g. If you
> I'm particularly interested to know if anyone can share experience of
> switching to teaching Python as a first programming language in a
> similar context. A written up case study that I could circulate among
> the relevant staff would be especially useful.
Just one experience from the "other"
> I wish to develop a database application with a lot of specific
> functionnalities dealing with sound files.
>
> I have developped an Access prototype and run into a first problem :
Access is not a database, it's a data shredder. And for the GUI part;
it only works on that pathologic non-opera
> As complexity rises, though, I'd rather just code the creative parts
> of things, and not busy-code, which is what gui code becomes. Much
> of it is boiler-plate, cut and pasted, etc.
If much of the code for a GUI is boiler-plate, busy-code etc. than I
would suggest that the framework is not re
> Every time you go on the Internet, you download other people's code
> and execute it. Javascript, Flash, HTML5, PDF are all either
> executable, or they include executable components.
That's why I deactivate all of these by default. And why I *hate*
so-called "web designers" who *require* activa
> Definitely get the latest version (currently 3.3, soon 3.4). Python
> keeps getting new features and improvements.
Python scripts or applications might not be compatible with Python 3.x
and require 2.x instead.
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> I am seeking comments on PEP 450, Adding a statistics module to
> Python's standard library:
I don't think that you want to re-implement RPy.
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> Also, I will use GUI interface for Python. What kind of widget
> toolkits do you recommend? I know there are GTK+ and Qt.
wxPython, PyGUI...
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> Okay... how long does a round-trip cost?
With a protocol that wasn't made for the purpose (such as HTTP) and all
that HTML to "render" (not to mention javascript that's required for
even the most trivial issues) - way too long.
> Considering that usability guidelines generally permit ~100ms for
> I share your passion for empowering a human operator to complete and
> submit a form as quickly as possible. I therefore agree that one
> should be able to complete a form using the keyboard only.
This is not just about "forms", it's about using the entire application
without having to use the m
> > A "touch-type" GUI is a "must have" for any application that's
> > supposed to be used productively. The mouse is nice to "explore" a
> > GUI or for occasional/leisurely use, but once you use an
> > application daily to earn your living, it's a hopeless roadblock
> > for productivity.
>
> You
> > A GUI that can not be used without taking the ten fingers off the
> > keyboard is indeed entirely unusable for any half-proficient
> > screenworker. And anyone doing actual productive screenwork every
> > day for more than just a few months will inevitably (have to) get
> > proficient (unless c
> >> suppose I now want the app natively on my phone (because that's all
> >> the rage). It's an iPhone. Oh. Apple doesn't support Python.
> >> Okay, rewrite the works, including business logic, in Objective C.
> >> Now I want it on my android phone.
> >
> > Those are gadgets, not work tools.
> What is "screenwork"?
Actually productive work of significant intensity at a computer screen.
As opposed to leisurely "clicking around" like managers, administrators
or home users (gaming, "webbing",...) do.
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> Please give me an example of a "suitable transport layer for a RPC
> protocol".
I won't give you an example, but just some very basic criteria:
- It must be very efficient for very small "datagrams"
- It must provide connections
- For asynchronous programmi
> HTTP handles that just fine, with your choice of XML,
And XML is definitely not suitable as a marshalling format for a RPC
protocol.
XML-over-HTTP is a true cerebral flatulance of some hopelessly clueless
moron.
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> Your back end exposes services and business logic, and your front end
> can be in HTMLv5 and Javascript, or QtQuick, PyGTK, or Visual
> Studio. If you do need a native interface, it's a heck of a lot
> easier to rewrite just the frontend then the entire stack.
Any decent database CRUD framework
> > Both the concept and actually implemented examples of so-called "web
> > applications" prove that they are just plain garbage and hopelessly
> > unusable for anything remotely resembling actual screenwork.
> >
> > HTML forms may be at best useful for "web shops", but for actual
> > screenwork,
> But there's another option that is available to every platform and
> (practially) every high level language: the web browser. Make your app
> serve HTTP and do up your UI in HTML5/CSS3 - your facilities are
> pretty extensive. Plus you get networking support for free! Obviously
> this option isn'
> I know this may sound a silly question because no one can see the
> future. But ...
> Do you think tkinter is going to be the standard python built-in gui
> solution as long as python exists?
"Standard built-in" maybe, but by far most people who need a GUI for an
actual application will keep usi
> Do you think tkinter is going to be the standard python built-in
> gui solution as long as python exists?
> >>>
> >>> AT the moment, there is nothing really comparable that is a
> >>> realistic candidate to replace tkinter.
> >>
> >> FLTK? (http://www.fltk.org/index.php)
> >
> > tkinter
> Well, I usually use the Qt Designer and it does work well for me.
>
> It generates a .ui file with it which has to be passed to pyuic to
> generate the actual Python code
Wow.
Even one more step than with code generation directly from
the GUI builder.
Clumsy, tedious, static.
Cocoa's Interf
> Guys, is this, I wonder if there is an IDE with native support for the
> development of GUI's
A decent Python IDE would probably integrate well enough with any decent
GUI builder. If there was one (decent GUI builder).
Unfortunately there's afaik currently no GUI builder available for any
of th
> >> Will look at Pypapi and SQLkit.
> >
> Did look: SQLkit needs Python 2.
Personally I would be more concerned about the apparent end-of-life of
PyGTK.
> Pypapi, from the link you gave: "The new release of PyPaPi is written
> in Java. You can find more info in the official site." On this
> offi
> As far as Dabo is concerned, at the moment I just have to know how to
> spell "crash" ...
Seems like someone is in desperate need of what they call "release
management". X-(
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> Very helpful collection, only one open question: which of them work
> with Python 3?
No clue, sorry. Given how many other modules are not yet compatible with
Python 3, I haven't investigated that yet.
wxwidgets/wxPython already has *just* made the switch to Cocoa (with
2.9) when Carbon support
> I want to write a fairly trivial database driven application, it will
> basically present a few columns from a database, allow the user to add
> and/or edit rows, recalculate the values in one column and write the
> data back to the database.
>
> I want to show the data and allow editing of the
> As far as doing client/server stuff with just a database engine,
> unless you have tight control over the environment end to end, from a
> security pov, it's not a good idea to expose the database engine
> itself to the internet. Better to put a restricted web services API
> in front of it that
> My concern is that using postgres or mysql for this would be akin to
> using a sledgehammer to swat a fly,
I wouldn't use MySQL for anything that requires anything else than
"select".
And PostgreSQL has extremely spartanic resource requirements in the
default configuration. It runs on Linux on
> I've been working at learning python off and on now for a while, with
> a couple programs in mind as a goal - kind of specialized stuff that
> I can't seem to find a good match for already available, competitor
> records, score-keeping & results for an amateur sports tournament.
So you want to
> I am looking for a Python implementation of Maximum Likelihood
> Estimation. If any one can kindly suggest. With a google search it
> seems scipy,numpy,statsmodels have modules, but as I am not finding
> proper example workouts I am failing to use them.
For statistics I would suggest using R (h
> for all senior can you suggest me the best, friendly and easy use
> with nice GUI editor for me, and have many a good features such as
> auto complete/auto correct.
Depends on what you are used to.
If you're used to bare-bones editors such as emacs, vim etc, they can be
used for Python.
If you
> The reporting question is the one that gives me the greatest concern
> when I think about switching to Python.
Not Python, but FOSS, cross-platform and it works with PostgreSQL:
http://www.xtuple.com/openrpt
Apart from that one, among the mentioned DB RAD frameworks, at least
Dabo and Camelot
> One program that claims to be working towards Access replacement is
> Kexi. It's not written in Python, but I think it does use Python as a
> scripting language, just as Access uses VBA. I doubt it's anywhere
> near Access yet, but it's worth a look:
>
> http://kexi-project.org/about.html
Unf
> I am the lone developer of db apps at a company of 350+ employees.
> Everything is done in MS Access 2010 and VBA. I'm frustrated with the
> limitations of this platform and have been considering switching to
> Python.
>
> I've been experimenting with the language for a year or so,
> and feel com
> >> The point why Ruby was started (perceived deficit of
> >> object-orientation) has been remedied since Python 2.2.
> >
> > Not completely. At the least, there's arguably still the issue of
> > len() and friends (vs. `.length` etc.), and also of `self` being
> > explicit.
>
> I'm not entirely
> I'm really new to Usenet/Newsgroups, but... I'd like to learn some
> new programming language, because I learnt a bit of Perl though its
> OOP is ugly. So, after searching a bit, I found Python and Ruby, and
> both of they are cute. So, assuming you'll say me "learn python", why
> should I learn
> Personally, I wouldn't bother with SQLAlchemy for this. I'd just use
> Python as the front end, PostgreSQL for the database, and psycopg2
> for the interface.
Then you have to implement the entire logic, "event binding" etc.
yourself.
If you use e.g. Pypapi (the latest version), implementing
> Hello all, I am learning to program in python. I have a need to make a
> program that can store, retrieve, add, and delete client data such as
> name, address, social, telephone number and similar information. This
> would be a small client database for my wife who has a home accounting
> busines
> There are just so many IPC modules out there. I'm looking for a
> solution for developing a new a multi-tier application. The core
> application will be running on a single computer, so the IPC should
> be using shared memory (or mmap) and have very short response times.
Probably the fastest I/R
Python & SQLalchemy), Russian only
- Kiwi (PyGTK)
Not sure whether these are still active:
- Gnuenterprise (wxPython)
- Pythoncard (wxPython)
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> >> No matter how cool it may seem to create simple GUIs manually or to
> >> write business letters using LaTeX: just try to persuade people to
> >> move from Word to LaTeX for business letters...
> >
> > Good example.
> >
> > I have done nearly exactly this* - but it was only possible thanks
> >
On Thu, 14 Jun 2012 12:59:23 -0700 (PDT)
CM wrote:
> On Jun 14, 2:25Â pm, Wolfgang Keller wrote:
> >
> > What is needed for domain specialists are frameworks and related
> > tools such as GUI builders that allow them to write exclusively the
> > domain-specific c
Danger: Flame ahead!
> I think efforts to make a better, and more definitive, "GUI builder"
> for Python should focus on makigng an easy to use "IDE" for creating
> these kinds of Python-HTMl-Javascript front ends for applications.
The idea of so-called "web applications" is a cerebral flatulance
> object mainwindow=GTK2.Window(GTK2.WindowToplevel);
> mainwindow->set_title("Timing")->set_default_size
> (400,300)->signal_connect("destroy",window_destroy); GTK2.HbuttonBox
> btns=GTK2.HbuttonBox()->set_layout(GTK2.BUTTONBOX_SPREAD); foreach
> (labels,string lbl) btns->add(butto
> > None of these were such that I could propagate it as GUI development
> > tool for non-programmers / casual users.
> > Sure, some are good for designing the GUI, but at the point where
> > the user code is to be added, most people would be lost.
>
> There was a time when that was a highly adver
> No matter how cool it may seem to create simple GUIs manually or to
> write business letters using LaTeX: just try to persuade people to
> move from Word to LaTeX for business letters...
Good example.
I have done nearly exactly this* - but it was only possible thanks to
LyX.
Sincerely,
Wolfga
> > Tkinter is imho honestly the very best "argument" if you want to
> > make potential new users turn their backs away from Python for
> > good. Just show them one GUI implemented with it and, hey, wait,
> > where are you running to...
>
> Yes, Tkinter GUI's are very ugly.
>
> http://www.codebyk
> > * Domain experts in fact who would need to implement loads of
> > software to help them get their work done but can't. And since
> > there's no budget for external developers, nothing get's ever done
> > about this.
> Well, typically or at least very often sooner or later something
> gets done
> > What "GUI designer" would come the closest to the way that Cocoa's
> > Interface Builder works? I.e. is there any one (cross-platform) that
> > allows to actually "connect" the GUI created directly to the code
> > and make it available "live" in an IDE?
>
> If you're developing on the Mac, PyO
> > What "GUI designer" would come the closest to the way that Cocoa's
> > Interface Builder works? I.e. is there any one (cross-platform) that
> > allows to actually "connect" the GUI created directly to the code
> > and make it available "live" in an IDE?
> >
> > This whole cycle of "design GUI"-
> I want a gui designer that writes the gui code for me. I don't want to
> write gui code. what is the gui designer that is most popular?
> I tried boa-constructor, and it works, but I am concerned about how
> dated it seems to be with no updates in over six years.
Sorry to "hijack" your thread, b
> I plan to work in decision support field in environmental engineering
> so I will use both the stochastic simulation as well as the stochastic
> optimization.
> I would like to select the best for both approaches software tool.
>
> what you suggest ... Matlab ... python ... something else?
I ha
> I'm a somewhat-satisfied openoffice.org user. I mean it works, but if
> it weren't in Java I'd be doing some of my own tweaking. But since
> it's in Java I stay away... no likey.
OpenOffice (now LibreOffice, btw.) is not implemented in Java, if that's
what you mean.
It _is_ scriptable in Python
> Lots of new stuff in this version. Highlights include:
>- GridView - a user-defined view consisting of a regular grid of
> cells.
>
>- PaletteView - a GridView specialised for implementing tool
> palettes.
Any chance to see a hierarchical multi-column TreeListView anytime soon?
Sincer
> > Are there any other, better solutions?
>
> Others are e.g.:
> - Pypapi
> - Camelot
> - Kiwi
> - Sqlkit
> - Gnuenterprise
And I've just learned of another one:
- QtAlchemy
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> Are there any other, better solutions?
Others are e.g.:
- Pypapi
- Camelot
- Kiwi
- Sqlkit
- Gnuenterprise
etc...
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> >> You can't run Python programs without a Python interpreter
> >> installed.
> >
> > Wrong.
> >
> > See e.g. http://www.portablepython.com/
>
> Uhm... how does that disprove?
Which part of the word "installed" don't you understand while actually
using it? >;->
> Whatever language you distrib
> You can't run Python programs without a Python interpreter installed.
Wrong.
See e.g. http://www.portablepython.com/
BTW: Imho, the Python interpreter should be made
"portable" ("zero-install") _by default_. "Installing" it should be
purely optional.
is unfortunately written in Perl. >;->
TIA,
And, btw., please respect my .sig,
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Hello,
has anyone ever implemented something similar to postgresql_autodoc in Python?
TIA,
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> I need controls for business apps like access to databases, good data
> grid, printing reports (with or without barcodes), etc.
The area of _desktop_ database application development indeed looks like a vast
and very hostile desert in the Python landscape.
The only framework that seems to be w
> David, I would really recommend that you
> seriously consider using the Tcp/Tk toolkit.
I would seriously disrecommend using Tcl/Tk.
> Why ?
Because it doesn't allow to build a GUI application with not-ridiculous
functionality, "look-and-feel" and quirk-free behaviour.
> Because of my point a
> I'm on a Mac. I use Netbeans for Java, PHP, and C if needed. Do you
> even use an IDE for Python?
WingIDE
Not open source, but by far the best that I've tried.
Sincerely,
Wolfgang
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> My apologies if this is not the correct forum for thses quiestions,
It's not the wrong place to ask, but you're more likely to get answers
from the omniORB mailing lists:
http://www.omniorb-support.com/mailman/listinfo
Sincerely,
Wolfgang
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odeling, so that one could
generate (and round-trip) nice "colorful and children-suitable"
diagrams for the CXOs... >:->
TIA,
Sincerely,
Wolfgang Keller
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