Re: Observations on the List - "Be More Kind"

2018-10-12 Thread Dan Purgert
Chris Angelico wrote: > On Fri, Oct 12, 2018 at 5:07 AM Ian Kelly wrote: >> >> On Thu, Oct 11, 2018 at 9:28 AM Dan Purgert wrote: >> > >> > Larry Martell wrote: >> > > On Fri, Oct 5, 2018 at 6:54 AM Bruce Coram >> > > wrote: >> > > [...] >> > > We don't like you. We don't want you here. We neve

Re: Observations on the List - "Be More Kind"

2018-10-11 Thread Chris Angelico
On Fri, Oct 12, 2018 at 5:07 AM Ian Kelly wrote: > > On Thu, Oct 11, 2018 at 9:28 AM Dan Purgert wrote: > > > > Larry Martell wrote: > > > On Fri, Oct 5, 2018 at 6:54 AM Bruce Coram wrote: > > > [...] > > > We don't like you. We don't want you here. We never will. Save us all > > > the trouble a

Re: Observations on the List - "Be More Kind"

2018-10-11 Thread Ian Kelly
On Thu, Oct 11, 2018 at 9:28 AM Dan Purgert wrote: > > Larry Martell wrote: > > On Fri, Oct 5, 2018 at 6:54 AM Bruce Coram wrote: > > [...] > > We don't like you. We don't want you here. We never will. Save us all > > the trouble and go away. > > That's the best code of conduct I've ever read ...

Re: Observations on the List - "Be More Kind"

2018-10-11 Thread Dan Purgert
Larry Martell wrote: > On Fri, Oct 5, 2018 at 6:54 AM Bruce Coram wrote: > [...] > We don't like you. We don't want you here. We never will. Save us all > the trouble and go away. That's the best code of conduct I've ever read ... 10/10, would read again. -- |_|O|_| Registered Linux user #58594

Re: Observations on the List - "Be More Kind"

2018-10-11 Thread Rhodri James
On 10/10/18 19:14, Ethan Furman wrote: On 10/10/2018 11:07 AM, Rhodri James wrote: Now I've had a chance to go back through the archive (it's been that kind of day at work), I'm going to have to recant.  I can't find anything that Rick wrote in the week or two before the ban Where are you lo

Re: Observations on the List - "Be More Kind"

2018-10-10 Thread Gene Heskett
On Wednesday 10 October 2018 14:27:32 Larry Martell wrote: > On Fri, Oct 5, 2018 at 6:54 AM Bruce Coram wrote: > > I will declare at the outset, I am a lurker. I don't know enough > > about Python to give advice that I could 100% guarantee would be > > helpful. > > > > There have been two recen

Re: Observations on the List - "Be More Kind"

2018-10-10 Thread Larry Martell
On Fri, Oct 5, 2018 at 6:54 AM Bruce Coram wrote: > > I will declare at the outset, I am a lurker. I don't know enough about > Python to give advice that I could 100% guarantee would be helpful. > > There have been two recent threads that summarise for me where the > Python Mailing List has lost

Re: Observations on the List - "Be More Kind"

2018-10-10 Thread Ethan Furman
On 10/10/2018 11:07 AM, Rhodri James wrote: Now I've had a chance to go back through the archive (it's been that kind of day at work), I'm going to have to recant.  I can't find anything that Rick wrote in the week or two before the ban Where are you looking? -- ~Ethan~ -- https://mail.pytho

Re: Observations on the List - "Be More Kind"

2018-10-10 Thread Rhodri James
On 09/10/18 12:12, Rhodri James wrote: On 08/10/18 20:46, Ethan Furman wrote: Banning Rick Johnson: Hopefully no explanation needed [2]. Explanation/justification needed, but given :-)  Again, I killfiled Rick ages ago, and I agree his language does justify banning. Now

Re: Observations on the List - "Be More Kind"

2018-10-10 Thread Dan Purgert
jf...@ms4.hinet.net wrote: > Chris Angelico at 2018.10.10 UTC+8 AM 10:31:33 wrote: >> On Wed, Oct 10, 2018 at 1:21 PM wrote: >> > [...] 3) Google group is a more free land to live. >> > >> > >> >> Well, just be aware that a lot of people block ALL posts that come >> from Google Groups. [...] > >

Re: Observations on the List - "Be More Kind"

2018-10-10 Thread Antoon Pardon
On 10-10-18 04:18, jf...@ms4.hinet.net wrote: > Richard Damon at 2018.10.9 UTC+8 PM 8:40:29 wrote: >> Moderators are generally appointed by those who do 'pay the bill' for >> the mailing list they are moderators for, and serve at their pleasure. >> Mailing List are generally 'private property', tho

Re: Observations on the List - "Be More Kind"

2018-10-09 Thread Richard Damon
On 10/9/18 2:03 PM, Chris Angelico wrote: > On Wed, Oct 10, 2018 at 4:57 AM Richard Damon > wrote: >> Shoot, as in physically, generally no such right; metaphorically, as in >> sever discipline in list operations, generally yes, though perhaps >> limited from some grounds based on applicable Laws

Re: Observations on the List - "Be More Kind"

2018-10-09 Thread jfong
Chris Angelico at 2018.10.10 UTC+8 AM 10:31:33 wrote: > On Wed, Oct 10, 2018 at 1:21 PM wrote: > > I switched from comp.lang.python to mailing list a few months ago for those > > spam threads there. Now it seems a bad decision because 1) replied mail can > > be lost or duplicated or even banned

Re: Observations on the List - "Be More Kind"

2018-10-09 Thread Chris Angelico
On Wed, Oct 10, 2018 at 1:21 PM wrote: > I switched from comp.lang.python to mailing list a few months ago for those > spam threads there. Now it seems a bad decision because 1) replied mail can > be lost or duplicated or even banned. 2) look at each separately mail is not > as comfortable as

Re: Observations on the List - "Be More Kind"

2018-10-09 Thread jfong
Richard Damon at 2018.10.9 UTC+8 PM 8:40:29 wrote: > Moderators are generally appointed by those who do 'pay the bill' for > the mailing list they are moderators for, and serve at their pleasure. > Mailing List are generally 'private property', though often made open to > the public for general use

Re: Observations on the List - "Be More Kind"

2018-10-09 Thread Peter J. Holzer
On 2018-10-08 12:46:48 -0700, Ethan Furman wrote: > On 10/08/2018 07:43 AM, Rhodri James wrote: > > I appreciate that the moderators are volunteers, but they have official > > power on this list.  Being volunteers doesn't mean that they can't get > > it wrong, or that we shouldn't call them on it w

Re: Observations on the List - "Be More Kind"

2018-10-09 Thread Chris Angelico
On Wed, Oct 10, 2018 at 4:57 AM Richard Damon wrote: > Shoot, as in physically, generally no such right; metaphorically, as in > sever discipline in list operations, generally yes, though perhaps > limited from some grounds based on applicable Laws. AIUI there is no law stating that I have to car

Re: Observations on the List - "Be More Kind"

2018-10-09 Thread Chris Angelico
On Wed, Oct 10, 2018 at 4:49 AM wrote: > > I am wondering the role of the moderator. > > Does he own the server or pay the bill? Where he get the power to suspending > people? Is he a police or judge? Can he shoot someone just because he has any > reason? > The mods represent the Python Softwar

Re: Observations on the List - "Be More Kind"

2018-10-09 Thread Richard Damon
On 10/9/18 12:10 AM, jf...@ms4.hinet.net wrote: > I am wondering the role of the moderator. > > Does he own the server or pay the bill? Where he get the power to suspending > people? Is he a police or judge? Can he shoot someone just because he has any > reason? > > What will happen if his powe

Re: Observations on the List - "Be More Kind"

2018-10-09 Thread Rhodri James
On 08/10/18 20:46, Ethan Furman wrote: On 10/08/2018 07:43 AM, Rhodri James wrote: I appreciate that the moderators are volunteers, but they have official power on this list.  Being volunteers doesn't mean that they can't get it wrong, or that we shouldn't call them on it when they do. I com

Re: Observations on the List - "Be More Kind"

2018-10-09 Thread Alister via Python-list
On Mon, 08 Oct 2018 12:46:48 -0700, Ethan Furman wrote: > On 10/08/2018 07:43 AM, Rhodri James wrote: > >> I appreciate that the moderators are volunteers, but they have official >> power on this list.  Being volunteers doesn't mean that they can't get >> it wrong, or that we shouldn't call them

Re: Observations on the List - "Be More Kind"

2018-10-09 Thread jfong
I am wondering the role of the moderator. Does he own the server or pay the bill? Where he get the power to suspending people? Is he a police or judge? Can he shoot someone just because he has any reason? What will happen if his power was limited? Will the forum be end in disorder? No, I don't

Re: Observations on the List - "Be More Kind"

2018-10-08 Thread Ethan Furman
On 10/08/2018 07:43 AM, Rhodri James wrote: I appreciate that the moderators are volunteers, but they have official power on this list.  Being volunteers doesn't mean that they can't get it wrong, or that we shouldn't call them on it when they do. I completely agree. They have got things wr

Re: Observations on the List - "Be More Kind"

2018-10-08 Thread Rhodri James
On 05/10/18 11:22, Bruce Coram wrote: The level of vitriol and personal attacks on the moderators was profoundly disappointing, but not totally out of character for those who made the attacks.  There is no doubt that these people know software and Python and this certainly earns my respect,  bu

Re: Observations on the List - "Be More Kind"

2018-10-06 Thread Anthony Flury via Python-list
Bruce, I completely agree; it is worth everyone remember that we are all here (even the moderators) as volunteers; we are here because either we want to ask questions, or we want to learn, or we want to help. We do need to remember that the moderators is here to be nasty or because of a powe

Observations on the List - "Be More Kind"

2018-10-05 Thread Bruce Coram
I will declare at the outset, I am a lurker.  I don't know enough about Python to give advice that I could 100% guarantee would be helpful. There have been two recent threads that summarise for me where the Python Mailing List has lost its way (and this started before Trump arrived as a new ro