Re: Python GUIs and custom controls

2008-05-11 Thread Joe P. Cool
On 9 Mai, 10:14, "Diez B. Roggisch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > If you can work with the license (GPL), I suggest Qt4 Thanks for your helpful hints, guys. -- Joe P. Cool -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Python GUIs and custom controls

2008-05-09 Thread Diez B. Roggisch
Joe P. Cool schrieb: So far I have a little experience with Tkinter and wxPython. I wonder which of the numerous Python GUI kits would be the best choice for a multi platform application that makes heavy use of custom controls, 3D views and the like? Thanks in advance for your hints and advice.

Re: Python GUIs and custom controls

2008-05-08 Thread castironpi
On May 8, 4:30 pm, "Chuckk Hubbard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I likewise don't know enough to compare between toolkits, but another > one to check out might be pygame.  If nothing else, it is meant to be > fast and to handle 3D views. > > -Chuckk > > On Fri, May 9, 2008 at 12:10 AM, Joe P. Cool

Re: Python GUIs and custom controls

2008-05-08 Thread Chuckk Hubbard
I likewise don't know enough to compare between toolkits, but another one to check out might be pygame. If nothing else, it is meant to be fast and to handle 3D views. -Chuckk On Fri, May 9, 2008 at 12:10 AM, Joe P. Cool <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > So far I have a little experience with Tkinter

Re: Python GUIs and custom controls

2008-05-08 Thread Mike Driscoll
On May 8, 4:10 pm, "Joe P. Cool" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > So far I have a little experience with Tkinter and wxPython. I wonder > which of the numerous Python GUI kits would be the best choice for a > multi platform application that makes heavy use of custom controls, 3D > views and the like? T

Python GUIs and custom controls

2008-05-08 Thread Joe P. Cool
So far I have a little experience with Tkinter and wxPython. I wonder which of the numerous Python GUI kits would be the best choice for a multi platform application that makes heavy use of custom controls, 3D views and the like? Thanks in advance for your hints and advice. Joe -- http://mail.pyth

Re: python GUIs comparison (want)

2006-11-06 Thread John Henry
Yes, from a easy of use standpoint, I agree that PythonCard is very high on the list. Unfortunately there isn't more "activities" as one would like to see. On the other hand, that's typical of open-source projects. We can always roll up our sleeves and do it ourselves. At least the multicolumn

Re: python GUIs comparison (want)

2006-11-06 Thread metaperl
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Paul Boddie wrote: > > """The figures behind the scenes are quite enlightening for that > particular page. If you (or community experiences) don't agree with the > > rankings (wxPython apparently even easier to learn than PythonCard and > Tinder, a bunch of Gtk-based too

Re: python GUIs comparison (want)

2006-11-06 Thread Eric Brunel
On Wed, 25 Oct 2006 11:04:57 +0200, Christophe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> And no modern layout manager available. Only those old school >>> left/right/up/down pack and anchors are available. >> huh? when did you last look at Tk? 1994? > Yesterday. In fact, I could find no mention at all

Re: python GUIs comparison (want)

2006-11-05 Thread Mudcat
Dennis Lee Bieber wrote: > IOWs, eyecandy with no functionality... Sounds like the same mindset > that creates entire web sites using Flash animations such that one /can > not/ access them using a simple fast-loading text modes. > Not exactly. Look...when you're using freeware to compete w

Re: python GUIs comparison (want)

2006-11-05 Thread Paul Rubin
"Mudcat" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > No that would suck. Best to try to stay as close as possible to the > > native widgets on whatever the underlying platform is. If you want > > to depart from the native UI, then start from scratch and write a whole > > new window system with a complete app

Re: python GUIs comparison (want)

2006-11-05 Thread Mudcat
Paul Rubin wrote: > > No that would suck. Best to try to stay as close as possible to the > native widgets on whatever the underlying platform is. If you want > to depart from the native UI, then start from scratch and write a whole > new window system with a complete app suite etc. Ok. But ot

Re: python GUIs comparison (want)

2006-11-05 Thread timmy
Mudcat wrote: > When you say far better widgets, do you mean that it has a greater > number of widgets to choose from, or that the types of widgets are > basically the same but have a greater amount of flexibility in them? by better i mean more of them to choose from and the functionality they p

Re: python GUIs comparison (want)

2006-11-04 Thread Paul Rubin
"Mudcat" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > When you say far better widgets, do you mean that it has a greater > number of widgets to choose from, or that the types of widgets are > basically the same but have a greater amount of flexibility in them? There's a lot more and they look a lot better. Tk w

Re: python GUIs comparison (want)

2006-11-04 Thread Mudcat
When you say far better widgets, do you mean that it has a greater number of widgets to choose from, or that the types of widgets are basically the same but have a greater amount of flexibility in them? Personally I find programming in Tkinter fairly simple and straight-forward. I'm sure a lot of

Re: python GUIs comparison (want)

2006-11-04 Thread timmy
Mudcat wrote: > I have been using Tkinter for several years now. Recently I have been > thinking about switching to something else that may have a sharper > appearance. However I'm not sure what that may be, and if that > something else is *that* much better than what I'm already using. > > Does e

Re: python GUIs comparison (want)

2006-11-04 Thread Fredrik Lundh
Mudcat wrote: > I have been using Tkinter for several years now. Recently I have been > thinking about switching to something else that may have a sharper > appearance. However I'm not sure what that may be, and if that > something else is *that* much better than what I'm already using. Tk 8.5 is

Re: python GUIs comparison (want)

2006-11-04 Thread Peter Decker
On 4 Nov 2006 08:23:40 -0800, Mudcat <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I have been using Tkinter for several years now. Recently I have been > thinking about switching to something else that may have a sharper > appearance. However I'm not sure what that may be, and if that > something else is *that* m

Re: python GUIs comparison (want)

2006-11-04 Thread Mudcat
I have been using Tkinter for several years now. Recently I have been thinking about switching to something else that may have a sharper appearance. However I'm not sure what that may be, and if that something else is *that* much better than what I'm already using. Does everyone agree that wxPytho

Re: python GUIs comparison (want)

2006-10-28 Thread Jarek Zgoda
Christophe napisał(a): >> PyGtk: >> Pro: Sophisticated GUI's, cross-platform (Linux and Win32); very popular >> on some platforms; active development community >> Con: Not native on OS X > > You forgot that it is rather buggy on Win32 ( in my experience ) Didn't observe any W32-specific bugy beh

Re: python GUIs comparison (want)

2006-10-27 Thread David Boddie
On Friday 27 October 2006 16:36, Magnus Lycka wrote: > David Boddie wrote: >> You're forgetting that Qt isn't just a widget toolkit. > > I suspect that the non-GUI parts are (just like in Wx) C++ stuff > which is more or less equivalent with things that are either Python > builtins or parts of Pyt

Re: python GUIs comparison (want)

2006-10-27 Thread Magnus Lycka
David Boddie wrote: > You're forgetting that Qt isn't just a widget toolkit. I suspect that the non-GUI parts are (just like in Wx) C++ stuff which is more or less equivalent with things that are either Python builtins or parts of Python's standard library. Besides, getting those proprietary depen

Re: python GUIs comparison (want)

2006-10-25 Thread Douglas Soares de Andrade
Stephen Eilert escreveu: > BartlebyScrivener wrote: > >> Well, I am woefully unqualified to speak to the general state of Python >> gui frameworks, but I am in a similar situation as the OP, i.e., a >> beginner looking to TRY some easy gui programming in Python. Not being >> a computer science p

Re: python GUIs comparison (want)

2006-10-25 Thread Stephen Eilert
BartlebyScrivener wrote: > Well, I am woefully unqualified to speak to the general state of Python > gui frameworks, but I am in a similar situation as the OP, i.e., a > beginner looking to TRY some easy gui programming in Python. Not being > a computer science person, just an amateur scripter, I

Re: python GUIs comparison (want)

2006-10-25 Thread BartlebyScrivener
Well, I am woefully unqualified to speak to the general state of Python gui frameworks, but I am in a similar situation as the OP, i.e., a beginner looking to TRY some easy gui programming in Python. Not being a computer science person, just an amateur scripter, I tend to learn best from lots of e

Re: python GUIs comparison (want)

2006-10-25 Thread Fredrik Lundh
Paul Boddie wrote: > seem to have moved very far, despite Fredrik's efforts: what happened > to Tkinter 3000 or was that a codename for something else? the first Tk3K project solved 95% of the problems (*) I had with Tkinter: http://effbot.org/zone/wck.htm (especially when combined with Op

Re: python GUIs comparison (want)

2006-10-25 Thread Paul Boddie
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > Well, I don't know what I was thinking, exactly, when I rated > PythonCard's ease of use...so I went back and changed it to rate it a > lot higher. The ratings in this script were done a long time ago now > and I need to re-do them, and add some new categories to rate a

Re: python GUIs comparison (want)

2006-10-25 Thread rdsteph
Paul Boddie wrote: """The figures behind the scenes are quite enlightening for that particular page. If you (or community experiences) don't agree with the rankings (wxPython apparently even easier to learn than PythonCard and Tinder, a bunch of Gtk-based toolkits having more or less "full" Linux

Re: python GUIs comparison (want)

2006-10-25 Thread David Boddie
Fredrik Lundh wrote: > Christophe wrote: > > Even if you consider that the huge time saving you get out of using Qt > > is worth more than what you pay to acquire a licence? > > then it sounds like a combination between "it's a silver bullet!" and > "commercial software is better than free softwar

Re: python GUIs comparison (want)

2006-10-25 Thread Christophe
Fredrik Lundh a écrit : > Christophe wrote: > Also, the Tkinter API is far less elegant than the others. >>> huh? create object, display object, create object, display object. >>> sure looks like plain old Python to me... >> >> Let's see : >> >> .pack(side = "left") >> fred = Button(se

Re: python GUIs comparison (want)

2006-10-25 Thread Fredrik Lundh
Christophe wrote: >>> Also, the Tkinter API is far less elegant than the others. >> huh? create object, display object, create object, display object. sure >> looks like plain old Python to me... > > Let's see : > > .pack(side = "left") > > fred = Button(self, fg = "red", bg = "blue") > fred[

Re: python GUIs comparison (want)

2006-10-25 Thread Fredrik Lundh
Christophe wrote: commercial deployment is expensive; free deployment must be GPL; >>> >>> Opinions differ on the first one of these. >> even if you define "expensive" as "costs more money than the others" ? > > Even if you consider that the huge time saving you get out of using Qt > is wo

Re: python GUIs comparison (want)

2006-10-25 Thread Christophe
Fredrik Lundh a écrit : > Christophe wrote: > >> Also, the Tkinter API is far less elegant than the others. > > huh? create object, display object, create object, display object. sure > looks like plain old Python to me... Let's see : .pack(side = "left") fred = Button(self, fg = "red", bg =

Re: python GUIs comparison (want)

2006-10-25 Thread Christophe
Fredrik Lundh a écrit : > David Boddie wrote: > >>> commercial deployment is expensive; free deployment must be GPL; >> >> Opinions differ on the first one of these. > > even if you define "expensive" as "costs more money than the others" ? Even if you consider that the huge time saving you get o

Re: python GUIs comparison (want)

2006-10-24 Thread Fredrik Lundh
David Boddie wrote: >> commercial deployment is expensive; free deployment must be GPL; > > Opinions differ on the first one of these. even if you define "expensive" as "costs more money than the others" ? -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: python GUIs comparison (want)

2006-10-24 Thread David Boddie
On Tuesday 24 October 2006 17:38, Kevin Walzer wrote: > PyQt: > Pro: Powerful, cross-platform, sophisticated GUI's > Con: Based on C++ toolkit; That's not a bad thing in itself. > docs assume knowledge of C++; Only to a point. I knew Python before I knew C++, and it didn't stop me from learning

Re: python GUIs comparison (want)

2006-10-24 Thread Peter Decker
On 24 Oct 2006 16:38:28 -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > You load dabo and then load your program through dabo... That > was all I needed to know to disregard it. Wow - inaccurate and proud of it! Your loss. -- # p.d. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-li

Re: python GUIs comparison (want)

2006-10-24 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I have to say that py-gtk is a pain to install. You have copywrites with the various parts of the library when you install all of it with apple and the people that do the pill library. I am looking at wxwindows and maybe vpython for graphics (If it will do what I want). wx.grid is a pain thus far

Re: python GUIs comparison (want)

2006-10-24 Thread Peter Decker
On 10/24/06, Kevin Walzer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > wxPython: > Pro: Popular, actively developed, wraps native widgets, looks great on > Windows, commercial-friendly license > Con: Based on C++ toolkit; docs assume knowledge of C++; some think > coding style is too much like C++; complex to bui

Re: python GUIs comparison (want)

2006-10-24 Thread Kevin Walzer
Christophe wrote: > Kevin Walzer a écrit : >> Christophe wrote: >> >>> Since when is "based on C++ toolkit" a con? >>> >> >> If you don't know C++ (as is the case with me), then it's difficult to >> do a C++-to-Python translation in looking at code examples. > > As if a toolkit based on C would be

Re: python GUIs comparison (want)

2006-10-24 Thread shawn
Ron Stevens of the Python411 podcast(1) has some good info on these. He did an entire podcast(2) comparing different Python GUI tools, and did several others in greater detail, including specifically on wyPython and Tkinter. You can also subscribe to the RSS feed(3). The main page has titles for al

Re: python GUIs comparison (want)

2006-10-24 Thread Fredrik Lundh
Christophe wrote: > Also, the Tkinter API is far less elegant than the others. huh? create object, display object, create object, display object. sure looks like plain old Python to me... -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: python GUIs comparison (want)

2006-10-24 Thread Christophe
Kevin Walzer a écrit : > Christophe wrote: > >> Since when is "based on C++ toolkit" a con? >> > > If you don't know C++ (as is the case with me), then it's difficult to > do a C++-to-Python translation in looking at code examples. As if a toolkit based on C would be much easier. In fact, I wou

Re: python GUIs comparison (want)

2006-10-24 Thread Kevin Walzer
Christophe wrote: > Since when is "based on C++ toolkit" a con? > If you don't know C++ (as is the case with me), then it's difficult to do a C++-to-Python translation in looking at code examples. -- Kevin Walzer Code by Kevin http://www.codebykevin.com -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listi

Re: python GUIs comparison (want)

2006-10-24 Thread Christophe
Kevin Walzer a écrit : > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> Now i began to learn GUI programming. There are so many >> choices of GUI in the python world, wxPython, pyGTK, PyQT, >> Tkinter, .etc, it's difficult for a novice to decide, however. >> Can you draw a comparison among them on easy coding, python

Re: python GUIs comparison (want)

2006-10-24 Thread Kevin Walzer
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Now i began to learn GUI programming. There are so many > choices of GUI in the python world, wxPython, pyGTK, PyQT, > Tkinter, .etc, it's difficult for a novice to decide, however. > Can you draw a comparison among them on easy coding, pythonish design, > beautiful and g

Re: python GUIs comparison (want)

2006-10-24 Thread Peter Decker
On 23 Oct 2006 22:07:39 -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Now i began to learn GUI programming. There are so many > choices of GUI in the python world, wxPython, pyGTK, PyQT, > Tkinter, .etc, it's difficult for a novice to decide, however. > Can you draw a comparison among them

Re: python GUIs comparison (want)

2006-10-24 Thread Paul Boddie
Cameron Walsh wrote: > > I googled "python gui compare" a while back and got > www.awaretek.com/toolkits.html as the first result. See also the python.org Wiki for more information: http://wiki.python.org/moin/UsefulModules http://wiki.python.org/moin/GuiProgramming (big list!) > Every variation

Re: python GUIs comparison (want)

2006-10-23 Thread Cameron Walsh
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Now i began to learn GUI programming. There are so many > choices of GUI in the python world, wxPython, pyGTK, PyQT, > Tkinter, .etc, it's difficult for a novice to decide, however. > Can you draw a comparison among them on easy coding, pythonish design, > beautiful and g

Re: python GUIs comparison (want)

2006-10-23 Thread John Henry
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Now i began to learn GUI programming. There are so many > choices of GUI in the python world, wxPython, pyGTK, PyQT, > Tkinter, .etc, it's difficult for a novice to decide, however. > Can you draw a comparison among them on easy coding, pythonish design, > beautiful and

python GUIs comparison (want)

2006-10-23 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Now i began to learn GUI programming. There are so many choices of GUI in the python world, wxPython, pyGTK, PyQT, Tkinter, .etc, it's difficult for a novice to decide, however. Can you draw a comparison among them on easy coding, pythonish design, beautiful and generous looking, powerful developme

Re: Python GUIs

2005-09-21 Thread Tuvas
Thank you very much! That managed to fix the problem! -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Python GUIs

2005-09-21 Thread Lonnie Princehouse
B is a tuple if it's assigned that way. Tuples are immutable. To make a list instead, you need square brackets: B = ['\x12', '\x32'] Regarding your original post, you'll probably have to ask more specific questions if you want to get good answers. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/p

Re: Python GUIs

2005-09-21 Thread Dan
> B='\x12','\x32' > B[0]='\x12' > > I cannot get this to work, "B" is a tuple, which means it can't be assigned to. Try this: B=['\x12','\x32'] -- Do I know what's in this bill? Are you kidding? Only God knows... - U.S. Senator Robert Byrd, when asked if he knew the contents of

Re: Python GUIs

2005-09-21 Thread Gerald Klix
if you write B = '\x12','\x32' you get an immutable tuple. To get a mutable list use: B = [ '\x12','\x32' ] HTH, Gerald Tuvas schrieb: > As a bit more of an update, I have decided to create a list of strings, > but am having a problem. To illistrate this in a simple manner. > > B='\x12','\x32'

Re: Python GUIs

2005-09-21 Thread Tuvas
As a bit more of an update, I have decided to create a list of strings, but am having a problem. To illistrate this in a simple manner. B='\x12','\x32' B[0]='\x12' I cannot get this to work, and I need to get it to work somehow. How can I make it happen? Is there a function that I should use, a s

Python GUIs

2005-09-21 Thread Tuvas
I have a program that I am devoloping, that uses python as a GUI interface for a camera that we am building. Our camera is controlled using an 8 byte control squence, depending on the command, will have several configurations for each byte. I need to be able to have some way to manage all 8 bytes w