On Wed, 25 Oct 2006 11:04:57 +0200, Christophe [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
And no modern layout manager available. Only those old school
left/right/up/down pack and anchors are available.
huh? when did you last look at Tk? 1994?
Yesterday. In fact, I could find no mention at all of layout
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Paul Boddie wrote:
The figures behind the scenes are quite enlightening for that
particular page. If you (or community experiences) don't agree with the
rankings (wxPython apparently even easier to learn than PythonCard and
Tinder, a bunch of Gtk-based toolkits
Yes, from a easy of use standpoint, I agree that PythonCard is very
high on the list.
Unfortunately there isn't more activities as one would like to see.
On the other hand, that's typical of open-source projects. We can
always roll up our sleeves and do it ourselves.
At least the multicolumn
Mudcat wrote:
When you say far better widgets, do you mean that it has a greater
number of widgets to choose from, or that the types of widgets are
basically the same but have a greater amount of flexibility in them?
by better i mean more of them to choose from and the functionality they
Paul Rubin wrote:
No that would suck. Best to try to stay as close as possible to the
native widgets on whatever the underlying platform is. If you want
to depart from the native UI, then start from scratch and write a whole
new window system with a complete app suite etc.
Ok. But other
Mudcat [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
No that would suck. Best to try to stay as close as possible to the
native widgets on whatever the underlying platform is. If you want
to depart from the native UI, then start from scratch and write a whole
new window system with a complete app suite etc.
Dennis Lee Bieber wrote:
IOWs, eyecandy with no functionality... Sounds like the same mindset
that creates entire web sites using Flash animations such that one /can
not/ access them using a simple fast-loading text modes.
Not exactly. Look...when you're using freeware to compete with
I have been using Tkinter for several years now. Recently I have been
thinking about switching to something else that may have a sharper
appearance. However I'm not sure what that may be, and if that
something else is *that* much better than what I'm already using.
Does everyone agree that
On 4 Nov 2006 08:23:40 -0800, Mudcat [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I have been using Tkinter for several years now. Recently I have been
thinking about switching to something else that may have a sharper
appearance. However I'm not sure what that may be, and if that
something else is *that* much
Mudcat wrote:
I have been using Tkinter for several years now. Recently I have been
thinking about switching to something else that may have a sharper
appearance. However I'm not sure what that may be, and if that
something else is *that* much better than what I'm already using.
Tk 8.5 isn't
Mudcat wrote:
I have been using Tkinter for several years now. Recently I have been
thinking about switching to something else that may have a sharper
appearance. However I'm not sure what that may be, and if that
something else is *that* much better than what I'm already using.
Does
When you say far better widgets, do you mean that it has a greater
number of widgets to choose from, or that the types of widgets are
basically the same but have a greater amount of flexibility in them?
Personally I find programming in Tkinter fairly simple and
straight-forward. I'm sure a lot of
Mudcat [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
When you say far better widgets, do you mean that it has a greater
number of widgets to choose from, or that the types of widgets are
basically the same but have a greater amount of flexibility in them?
There's a lot more and they look a lot better. Tk widgets
Christophe napisał(a):
PyGtk:
Pro: Sophisticated GUI's, cross-platform (Linux and Win32); very popular
on some platforms; active development community
Con: Not native on OS X
You forgot that it is rather buggy on Win32 ( in my experience )
Didn't observe any W32-specific bugy behaviour
David Boddie wrote:
You're forgetting that Qt isn't just a widget toolkit.
I suspect that the non-GUI parts are (just like in Wx) C++ stuff
which is more or less equivalent with things that are either Python
builtins or parts of Python's standard library. Besides, getting
those proprietary
On Friday 27 October 2006 16:36, Magnus Lycka wrote:
David Boddie wrote:
You're forgetting that Qt isn't just a widget toolkit.
I suspect that the non-GUI parts are (just like in Wx) C++ stuff
which is more or less equivalent with things that are either Python
builtins or parts of Python's
Fredrik Lundh a écrit :
David Boddie wrote:
commercial deployment is expensive; free deployment must be GPL;
Opinions differ on the first one of these.
even if you define expensive as costs more money than the others ?
Even if you consider that the huge time saving you get out of using Qt
Fredrik Lundh a écrit :
Christophe wrote:
Also, the Tkinter API is far less elegant than the others.
huh? create object, display object, create object, display object. sure
looks like plain old Python to me...
Let's see :
.pack(side = left)
fred = Button(self, fg = red, bg = blue)
Christophe wrote:
commercial deployment is expensive; free deployment must be GPL;
Opinions differ on the first one of these.
even if you define expensive as costs more money than the others ?
Even if you consider that the huge time saving you get out of using Qt
is worth more than what
Christophe wrote:
Also, the Tkinter API is far less elegant than the others.
huh? create object, display object, create object, display object. sure
looks like plain old Python to me...
Let's see :
.pack(side = left)
fred = Button(self, fg = red, bg = blue)
fred[fg] = red
Fredrik Lundh a écrit :
Christophe wrote:
Also, the Tkinter API is far less elegant than the others.
huh? create object, display object, create object, display object.
sure looks like plain old Python to me...
Let's see :
.pack(side = left)
fred = Button(self, fg = red, bg =
Fredrik Lundh wrote:
Christophe wrote:
Even if you consider that the huge time saving you get out of using Qt
is worth more than what you pay to acquire a licence?
then it sounds like a combination between it's a silver bullet! and
commercial software is better than free software!.
Well,
Paul Boddie wrote:
The figures behind the scenes are quite enlightening for that
particular page. If you (or community experiences) don't agree with the
rankings (wxPython apparently even easier to learn than PythonCard and
Tinder, a bunch of Gtk-based toolkits having more or less full Linux
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Well, I don't know what I was thinking, exactly, when I rated
PythonCard's ease of use...so I went back and changed it to rate it a
lot higher. The ratings in this script were done a long time ago now
and I need to re-do them, and add some new categories to rate also.
Paul Boddie wrote:
seem to have moved very far, despite Fredrik's efforts: what happened
to Tkinter 3000 or was that a codename for something else?
the first Tk3K project solved 95% of the problems (*) I had
with Tkinter:
http://effbot.org/zone/wck.htm
(especially when combined with
Well, I am woefully unqualified to speak to the general state of Python
gui frameworks, but I am in a similar situation as the OP, i.e., a
beginner looking to TRY some easy gui programming in Python. Not being
a computer science person, just an amateur scripter, I tend to learn
best from lots of
BartlebyScrivener wrote:
Well, I am woefully unqualified to speak to the general state of Python
gui frameworks, but I am in a similar situation as the OP, i.e., a
beginner looking to TRY some easy gui programming in Python. Not being
a computer science person, just an amateur scripter, I
Stephen Eilert escreveu:
BartlebyScrivener wrote:
Well, I am woefully unqualified to speak to the general state of Python
gui frameworks, but I am in a similar situation as the OP, i.e., a
beginner looking to TRY some easy gui programming in Python. Not being
a computer science person,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Now i began to learn GUI programming. There are so many
choices of GUI in the python world, wxPython, pyGTK, PyQT,
Tkinter, .etc, it's difficult for a novice to decide, however.
Can you draw a comparison among them on easy coding, pythonish design,
beautiful and
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Now i began to learn GUI programming. There are so many
choices of GUI in the python world, wxPython, pyGTK, PyQT,
Tkinter, .etc, it's difficult for a novice to decide, however.
Can you draw a comparison among them on easy coding, pythonish design,
beautiful and
Cameron Walsh wrote:
I googled python gui compare a while back and got
www.awaretek.com/toolkits.html as the first result.
See also the python.org Wiki for more information:
http://wiki.python.org/moin/UsefulModules
http://wiki.python.org/moin/GuiProgramming (big list!)
Every variation on
On 23 Oct 2006 22:07:39 -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Now i began to learn GUI programming. There are so many
choices of GUI in the python world, wxPython, pyGTK, PyQT,
Tkinter, .etc, it's difficult for a novice to decide, however.
Can you draw a comparison among them on
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Now i began to learn GUI programming. There are so many
choices of GUI in the python world, wxPython, pyGTK, PyQT,
Tkinter, .etc, it's difficult for a novice to decide, however.
Can you draw a comparison among them on easy coding, pythonish design,
beautiful and
Kevin Walzer a écrit :
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Now i began to learn GUI programming. There are so many
choices of GUI in the python world, wxPython, pyGTK, PyQT,
Tkinter, .etc, it's difficult for a novice to decide, however.
Can you draw a comparison among them on easy coding, pythonish
Christophe wrote:
Since when is based on C++ toolkit a con?
If you don't know C++ (as is the case with me), then it's difficult to
do a C++-to-Python translation in looking at code examples.
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Kevin Walzer a écrit :
Christophe wrote:
Since when is based on C++ toolkit a con?
If you don't know C++ (as is the case with me), then it's difficult to
do a C++-to-Python translation in looking at code examples.
As if a toolkit based on C would be much easier.
In fact, I would even
Christophe wrote:
Also, the Tkinter API is far less elegant than the others.
huh? create object, display object, create object, display object.
sure looks like plain old Python to me...
/F
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Ron Stevens of the Python411 podcast(1) has some good info on these. He
did an entire podcast(2) comparing different Python GUI tools, and did
several others in greater detail, including specifically on wyPython and
Tkinter. You can also subscribe to the RSS feed(3). The main page has
titles for
Christophe wrote:
Kevin Walzer a écrit :
Christophe wrote:
Since when is based on C++ toolkit a con?
If you don't know C++ (as is the case with me), then it's difficult to
do a C++-to-Python translation in looking at code examples.
As if a toolkit based on C would be much easier.
In
On 10/24/06, Kevin Walzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
wxPython:
Pro: Popular, actively developed, wraps native widgets, looks great on
Windows, commercial-friendly license
Con: Based on C++ toolkit; docs assume knowledge of C++; some think
coding style is too much like C++; complex to build and
I have to say that py-gtk is a pain to install. You have copywrites
with the various parts of the library when you install all of it with
apple and the people that do the pill library. I am looking at
wxwindows and maybe vpython for graphics (If it will do what I want).
wx.grid is a pain thus far
On 24 Oct 2006 16:38:28 -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
You load dabo and then load your program through dabo... That
was all I needed to know to disregard it.
Wow - inaccurate and proud of it!
Your loss.
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On Tuesday 24 October 2006 17:38, Kevin Walzer wrote:
PyQt:
Pro: Powerful, cross-platform, sophisticated GUI's
Con: Based on C++ toolkit;
That's not a bad thing in itself.
docs assume knowledge of C++;
Only to a point. I knew Python before I knew C++, and it didn't stop
me from learning
David Boddie wrote:
commercial deployment is expensive; free deployment must be GPL;
Opinions differ on the first one of these.
even if you define expensive as costs more money than the others ?
/F
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Now i began to learn GUI programming. There are so many
choices of GUI in the python world, wxPython, pyGTK, PyQT,
Tkinter, .etc, it's difficult for a novice to decide, however.
Can you draw a comparison among them on easy coding, pythonish design,
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