qmail Digest 2 Mar 2000 11:00:00 -0000 Issue 928

2000-03-02 Thread qmail-digest-help
qmail Digest 2 Mar 2000 11:00:00 - Issue 928 Topics (messages 38012 through 38094): /etc/tcpcontrol/smtp.cdb not working (Re: can't stop qmail (supervise-scripts)) 38012 by: Smoerk Re: Forwarding emails 38013 by: Ricardo Cerqueira 38014 by: Roger O. Svenning

Re: SMTP in distributed DOS

2000-03-02 Thread Lorens Kockum
On the qmail list [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 11:04 AM 2/20/00 -0800, Dirk Harms-Merbitz wrote: Just imagine what happens when some script kiddie uses a few ten thousand trojaned cable/dsl connected home computers to send email to tens of thousands of domains and they all bounce back to your mail

Re: vpopmail and Netscape

2000-03-02 Thread Chris Johnson
On Thu, Mar 02, 2000 at 12:05:34AM -0600, Erich Zigler wrote: Im having several complaints from people using Netscape 4.7's email client. Seems when they are trying to log into the server that Netscape is only sending user@ not [EMAIL PROTECTED] So the user then cannot get their mail.

Message 252 revisited

2000-03-02 Thread Shera
Hello, I asked about message 252 yesterday and was told that to have the smtp server not vrfy users was a security feature. I do understand this perfectly. But shouldn't this be an option for the sysadmin to turn off and on or to have a deny file to only allow certain people to access the vrfy

Re: Message 252 revisited

2000-03-02 Thread petervd
On Thu, Mar 02, 2000 at 09:35:02AM -0400, Shera wrote: Hello, [snip] secure system possible. There are times that I need to vrfy users from remote and in the past the easiest and only form I knew was through the smtp server, but now using qmail it is impossible. I would just like to

Re: Message 252 revisited

2000-03-02 Thread Petr Novotny
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 2 Mar 00, at 9:35, Shera wrote: I asked about message 252 yesterday and was told that to have the smtp server not vrfy users was a security feature. I do understand this perfectly. But shouldn't this be an option for the sysadmin to turn

Re: SMTP in distributed DOS

2000-03-02 Thread James Raftery
On Thu, Mar 02, 2000 at 11:34:11AM -, Lorens Kockum wrote: No they do not need to be open relays. If they are qmail servers that is perfect for the purpose. Why? There is no appreciable gain. To be effective the attacker needs to send a small amount of traffic, which is amplified by a

Re: SMTP in distributed DOS

2000-03-02 Thread petervd
On Thu, Mar 02, 2000 at 01:49:32PM +, James Raftery wrote: On Thu, Mar 02, 2000 at 11:34:11AM -, Lorens Kockum wrote: No they do not need to be open relays. If they are qmail servers that is perfect for the purpose. Why? There is no appreciable gain. To be effective the attacker

Re: SMTP in distributed DOS

2000-03-02 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Thu, Mar 02, 2000 at 11:34:11AM -, Lorens Kockum [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On the qmail list [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 11:04 AM 2/20/00 -0800, Dirk Harms-Merbitz wrote: Just imagine what happens when some script kiddie uses a few ten thousand trojaned cable/dsl connected home

Re: SMTP in distributed DOS

2000-03-02 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Thu, Mar 02, 2000 at 02:53:41PM +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You're missing a point: the message is sent with a couple of 100 recipients. All these recipients will bounce the message - separately. There's your amplification :) This is a gain if you are sending the original message

Re: SMTP in distributed DOS

2000-03-02 Thread petervd
On Thu, Mar 02, 2000 at 08:03:04AM -0600, Bruno Wolff III wrote: On Thu, Mar 02, 2000 at 02:53:41PM +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You're missing a point: the message is sent with a couple of 100 recipients. All these recipients will bounce the message - separately. There's your

Re: SMTP in distributed DOS

2000-03-02 Thread James Raftery
On Thu, Mar 02, 2000 at 02:53:41PM +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You're missing a point: the message is sent with a couple of 100 recipients. All these recipients will bounce the message - separately. No it doesn't :) Try it (with qmail, of course) One message with failed deliveries results

RE: Forward/Duplicate messages to hosts behind

2000-03-02 Thread Greg Owen
I'm going off of memory here, but I think this should do it. Test before using in production. I would like to have the qmail configurated to FORWARD/DUPLICATE EVERY incoming message (no matter whoever the receiver) to two different host behind. (Both hosts are not linux machines

Re: SMTP in distributed DOS

2000-03-02 Thread petervd
On Thu, Mar 02, 2000 at 02:15:19PM +, James Raftery wrote: On Thu, Mar 02, 2000 at 02:53:41PM +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You're missing a point: the message is sent with a couple of 100 recipients. All these recipients will bounce the message - separately. No it doesn't :) Try it

hosts?

2000-03-02 Thread MooNDoGGie iS
Hi, I have qmail setup and running. In my /var/qmail/control/smtproutes I have , :mail.server This tells qmail to direct my outbound mail to my ISP. However when ever I have any local mail it also gets sent to my ISP's server and because it has no QDM it gets bounced back. I would like to

Qmail and ORBS

2000-03-02 Thread Ryszard Lach
Hi! Since last monday I have problem with ORBS database. Due to spam relay my host got into their list. I applied relaymailfrom+tarpit patch and now most of "relay holes" on my site are blocked out. But I can't fix problem with exclamation and percen sign - tester at orbs.org checks it.

Re: Qmail and ORBS

2000-03-02 Thread Dave Sill
Ryszard Lach [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: MAIL FROM:spamtest@[AAA.BBB.CCC.DDD] 250 ok RCPT TO:"user-02782%nf.abuse.net" 250 ok Do you have any ideas? Bogus test. See: http://www.faqts.com/knowledge-base/view.phtml/aid/1198/fid/206/lang/en -Dave

Re: hosts?

2000-03-02 Thread Dave Sill
MooNDoGGie iS [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have qmail setup and running. In my /var/qmail/control/smtproutes I have , :mail.server This tells qmail to direct my outbound mail to my ISP. However when ever I have any local mail it also gets sent to my ISP's server and because it has no QDM it

Re: Qmail and ORBS

2000-03-02 Thread Sascha Schumann
On Thu, Mar 02, 2000 at 04:44:22PM +0100, Ryszard Lach wrote: Hi! Since last monday I have problem with ORBS database. Due to spam relay my host got into their list. I applied relaymailfrom+tarpit patch and now most of "relay holes" on my site are blocked out. But I can't fix problem with

Re: hosts?

2000-03-02 Thread Uwe Ohse
On Thu, Mar 02, 2000 at 10:42:23AM -0500, MooNDoGGie iS wrote: :mail.server This tells qmail to direct my outbound mail to my ISP. However when ever I have any local mail it also gets sent to my ISP's server and because it has no QDM it gets bounced back. I would like to make all local

Re: Encryption and t-shirts

2000-03-02 Thread Vern Hart
On Tuesday, Michael Handler wrote: Back: ("qmail" stylized text) (dolphin logo) Secure, reliable, efficient. Pick three. (white space) www.qmail.org The latest round of designs are at

RE: Encryption and t-shirts

2000-03-02 Thread Chad Day
I don't care much for the Q-arrow logo, the dolphin is far far cooler.. so my pick goes for dolphin 0 .. I like the font on the Secure, reliable, efficient quote, but I think the anti-sendmail quote is cooler. Chad -Original Message- From: Vern Hart [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent:

Re: SMTP in distributed DOS

2000-03-02 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Thu, Mar 02, 2000 at 03:06:16PM +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Mar 02, 2000 at 08:03:04AM -0600, Bruno Wolff III wrote: On Thu, Mar 02, 2000 at 02:53:41PM +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You're missing a point: the message is sent with a couple of 100 recipients.

Re: Encryption and t-shirts

2000-03-02 Thread Peter Green
On Thu, Mar 02, 2000 at 09:54:07AM -0700, Vern Hart wrote: The latest round of designs are at http://vern.com/tshirts/qmail/ They are the above quote, plus the anti-sendmail quote. Both with each logo version. Let me know the latest round of critiques. My only beef would be with having

Re: Encryption and t-shirts

2000-03-02 Thread John Gonzalez/netMDC admin
On Thu, 2 Mar 2000, Vern Hart wrote: The latest round of designs are at http://vern.com/tshirts/qmail/ They are the above quote, plus the anti-sendmail quote. Both with each logo version. Let me know the latest round of critiques. Vern, those look great. I'll take one of each with the 'Q'

SPAMCONTROL patch

2000-03-02 Thread Luis Bezerra
Hello averyone, How could I find the spamcontrol patch? thanks in advance -- - Luís Bezerra de A. Junior [EMAIL PROTECTED] SecrelNet Informática LTDA Fortaleza - Ceará - Brasil Fone: 021852882090 -

RE: Encryption and t-shirts

2000-03-02 Thread Bennett
I have to say that I agree with chat, Dolphin 0 is the best :) On Thu, 2 Mar 2000, Chad Day wrote: I don't care much for the Q-arrow logo, the dolphin is far far cooler.. so my pick goes for dolphin 0 .. I like the font on the Secure, reliable, efficient quote, but I think the

Re: Effective anti spamming

2000-03-02 Thread David Dyer-Bennet
Aaron L. Meehan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes on 1 March 2000 at 13:21:43 -0800 Quoting Mark E. Drummond ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): I am currently using rblsmtpd to block spammers on the RBL. I may add ORBS as well. Think I'll wait, gather some stats on how much is being blocked by RBL, and then

Re: Encryption and t-shirts

2000-03-02 Thread Kai MacTane
At 3/2/2000 09:54 AM -0700, Vern Hart wrote or quoted: The latest round of designs are at http://vern.com/tshirts/qmail/ [snip] Let me know the latest round of critiques. I like the new scaling on the sendmail and qmail logos. It's now much easier to tell what the shirt is really endorsing.

RE: Encryption and t-shirts

2000-03-02 Thread Greg Owen
All right, I'm going to throw yet another suggestion into the hat - one for the mother of all T-Shirts. Front: Qmail "Q" logo with the "Secure, Reliable, Efficient. Pick Three" quote under it in small lettering. Back: The same as the back from "Qmail 0 (dolphin)" shirt

Solaris 7 SPARC problems

2000-03-02 Thread Curtis Generous
Has anyone been successful in getting QMAIL-1.03 to run on a SPARC running Solaris 7, and compiled using the Sun C compiler? Here is my environment: This is SUN Netra T1 running Solaris 7: m67[admin]% uname -a SunOS m67 5.7 Generic_106541-08 sun4u sparc SUNW,UltraSPARC-IIi-cEngine

Re: Solaris 7 SPARC problems

2000-03-02 Thread markd
How about a truss -f? That might tell you why the spawned process is dying. Also, you might want to quote the log files exactly next time. As a long-time user of qmail you may be aware of how confusing a paraphrased error can be to people trying to help you. Regards. On Thu, Mar 02, 2000 at

Re: Effective anti spamming

2000-03-02 Thread Chris Thorman
Hi John, Would you be willing to share the scripts/setup you use to achieve the labeling that you do? I'd like to be able to replicate this on our end -- labeling is better than rejecting, I think, because it allows after-the-fact analysis, plus it allows different users to choose how

Re: vpopmail and Netscape

2000-03-02 Thread Marco Leeflang
Erich Zigler wrote: Im having several complaints from people using Netscape 4.7's email client. Seems when they are trying to log into the server that Netscape is only sending user@ not [EMAIL PROTECTED] So the user then cannot get their mail. use % in stead of @ so user%domain.com will

[press] isp-planet.com -- QMail: A Better Sendmail?

2000-03-02 Thread David Harris
http://www.isp-planet.com/equipment/qmail-a.html Sorry if this is a duplicate posting.. I scanned back subject lines a couple of days and didn't see anything. - David Harris Principal Engineer, DRH Internet Services

Re: [press] isp-planet.com -- QMail: A Better Sendmail?

2000-03-02 Thread markd
On Thu, Mar 02, 2000 at 03:30:34PM -0500, David Harris wrote: http://www.isp-planet.com/equipment/qmail-a.html Sorry if this is a duplicate posting.. I scanned back subject lines a couple of days and didn't see anything. It's got a few technical errors specifically, qmail-send does *not*

RE: [press] isp-planet.com -- QMail: A Better Sendmail?

2000-03-02 Thread Vince Vielhaber
On 02-Mar-00 David Harris wrote: http://www.isp-planet.com/equipment/qmail-a.html Sorry if this is a duplicate posting.. I scanned back subject lines a couple of days and didn't see anything. I'm confused as to what she's writing about: --- QMail is open source. While you can't beat the

Re: [press] isp-planet.com -- QMail: A Better Sendmail?

2000-03-02 Thread Steve Wolfe
Last I checked vpopmail and SqWebMail weren't part of qmail. Must be the way them media types listen. When erroneous articles get mentioned in slashdot, the reader's letters to the editor usually trigger a rewrite of the article. Perhaps if someone (Dan?) were to kindly mention the errors

daemontools

2000-03-02 Thread clifford thurber
Hello, I am installing the daemontools package and reading the docs. I was wondering if anyone is using this to monitor other services besides qmail and if so anyone had any recomendations on configurations. Thanks in advance. Clifford Thurber Web Systems Administrator LiveUniverse.com [EMAIL

Re: Effective anti spamming

2000-03-02 Thread Jon Rust
At 12:04 PM -0800 3/2/00, Chris Thorman wrote: Hi John, Would you be willing to share the scripts/setup you use to achieve the labeling that you do? I'd like to be able to replicate this on our end -- labeling is better than rejecting, I think, because it allows after-the-fact analysis, plus

Re: Unix as it should be

2000-03-02 Thread Pavel Kankovsky
On Wed, 1 Mar 2000, Russell Nelson wrote: Pavel Kankovsky writes: Damned omnipotent root. I hate unix. Well, my feeling is that Unix is well designed. If unix was well designed... (in random order) - access to network ports and devices could be controlled as easily as access to files

Re: [press] isp-planet.com -- QMail: A Better Sendmail?

2000-03-02 Thread Peter Green
On Thu, Mar 02, 2000 at 02:35:51PM -0700, Steve Wolfe wrote: Last I checked vpopmail and SqWebMail weren't part of qmail. Must be the way them media types listen. When erroneous articles get mentioned in slashdot, the reader's letters to the editor usually trigger a rewrite of the

Re: SMTP in distributed DOS

2000-03-02 Thread Russ Allbery
Pavel Kankovsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The error message is quite long. In fact, it is probably longer than most email addresses, even with additional "rcpt to:". If you send an empty message to many bogus recipients (limited only by the amount of virtual memory available to

Re: Unix as it should be

2000-03-02 Thread Chris Garrigues
From: Pavel Kankovsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 23:52:23 +0100 (MET) On Wed, 1 Mar 2000, Russell Nelson wrote: Pavel Kankovsky writes: Damned omnipotent root. I hate unix. Well, my feeling is that Unix is well designed. If unix was well designed... (in random

Re: Solaris 7 SPARC problems

2000-03-02 Thread Curtis Generous
According to [EMAIL PROTECTED]: How about a truss -f? That might tell you why the spawned process is dying. Also, you might want to quote the log files exactly next time. As a long-time user of qmail you may be aware of how confusing a paraphrased error can be to people trying to help

Re: Solaris 7 SPARC problems

2000-03-02 Thread markd
How about a truss -f? On Thu, Mar 02, 2000 at 04:50:46PM -0500, Curtis Generous wrote: According to [EMAIL PROTECTED]: How about a truss -f? That might tell you why the spawned process is dying. Also, you might want to quote the log files exactly next time. As a long-time user

Re: SMTP in distributed DOS

2000-03-02 Thread Dirk Harms-Merbitz
Neither bouncing messages nor return receipts make sense for ordinary messages. And for registered messages one needs authentication and encryption anyway. As far as DOS is concerned, amplification is much much higher. The problem is this: 1) Hacker uses a tool to root compromise a few

Re: Unix as it should be

2000-03-02 Thread Henri J. Schlereth
I refer anybody who wants to know what 'etc' covers to find a copy of "The UNIX-HATERS Handbook", by Simson Garfinkel, et. al. ISBN 1-56884-203-1 It's been out of print for a while, but if you can find it, it's an entertaining read. (Full disclosure: I'm a contributor.) Chris Yes!

Re: SMTP in distributed DOS

2000-03-02 Thread Russ Allbery
Dirk Harms-Merbitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Neither bouncing messages nor return receipts make sense for ordinary messages. I disagree. 1) Hacker uses a tool to root compromise a few thousand home computers. At which point they launch a smurf attack, which is considerably less

Re: Unix as it should be (OT)

2000-03-02 Thread Jon Rust
Heh, I have that book. I picked it up one day after struggling to get ClearCase running on HPUX 8 (or was it 9?) for about 2 weeks. Not good for the UNIX newbie. It will really unnecessarily skew your opinion against the OS. So many of the UNIX "features" they listed were out of date, even

Qmail Knowledge Base -- Call for help

2000-03-02 Thread Nathan Wallace
Dave Sill has helped me kick start a Qmail Knowledge Base. There are now 32 answers to 43 questions. Check it out at: http://qmail.faqts.com We need the help of the community to build this resource. Please consider taking some time to share your knowledge. A good way to do this may be

Re: SMTP in distributed DOS

2000-03-02 Thread Racer X
- Original Message - From: "Dirk Harms-Merbitz" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thu 2 Mar 2000 16:34 Subject: Re: SMTP in distributed DOS Neither bouncing messages nor return receipts make sense for ordinary messages. And for registered messages one needs authentication

Qmail List Digest?

2000-03-02 Thread Walt Mankowski
Does this list have a digest? I've tried sending a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED], but I didn't get a reply. Thanks. Walt

Re: SMTP in distributed DOS

2000-03-02 Thread Dirk Harms-Merbitz
What information do you gain from a successfull delivery? You don't know if anybody will read it. It could have gotten caught in a mail filter. Somebody could have messed up their email client. Failed messages should silently disappear. If you need to check the spelling off the email address

Fw: complex user routing

2000-03-02 Thread dwqw
-Original Message-From: sachin [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]Date: Saturday, February 12, 2000 4:02 PMSubject: complex user routing -Original Message-From: sachin [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]Date: Saturday, February

New to Qmail: Questions

2000-03-02 Thread Vincent Danen
Hi there, I'm extremely new to Qmail and installed it today to replace the mail server on my primary server as well as use the install for the basis for an article I'm writing. Even though the install was pretty wierd, I managed to make my way through it. =) A few questions, however, and I'm