Re: switch from mailbox to maildir format

2001-05-29 Thread Santosh Pasi
Hi, ---Original Message-- Mailing-List: contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]; run by ezmlm >Precedence: bulk >Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 12:43:49 +0200 >Subject: switch from mailbox to maildir format >From: "Franco Vecchiato" <[EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: switch from mailbox to maildir format

2001-05-29 Thread Russell Nelson
Franco Vecchiato writes: > what's the "new-user template directory"? (where is it?) Typically /etc/skel/, but every vendor seems to feel that it's crucial to reinvent every wheel, so there's no one definitive answer. man useradd (or perhaps it's adduser) will tell you more. -- -russ nelson <

switch from mailbox to maildir format

2001-05-29 Thread Franco Vecchiato
Hi, I want to switch from mailbox to maildir format. In INSTALL.maildir I read the instructions: begin text % maildirmake $HOME/Maildir % echo ./Maildir/ > ~/.qmail Make sure you include the trailing slash on Maildir/. The system administrator can setup Maildir as

Re: Can I use qmail-pop3d for both mbox and maildir format?

2001-04-23 Thread Dave Sill
Michael Cheung <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Can I use qmail-pop3d for both mbox and maildir format? No, but SolidPOP handles both: http://solidpop3d.pld.org.pl/ -Dave

Can I use qmail-pop3d for both mbox and maildir format?

2001-04-22 Thread Michael Cheung
Hi; I move mail system from sendmail to qmail. so I won't to change the former mbox format. But I add a virtualdomain, it seems I have to use maildir format for the virtualdomain. Can I use qmail-pop3d for both mbox and maildir format? T

Re: Conversion to Maildir Format

2001-01-18 Thread Dave Sill
"Manvendra Bhangui" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >If you could tell me how to convert from unix mbox format to maildir, that >would be helpful. I already have mail agents to handle maildir format http://www.qmail.org/mbox2maildir -Dave

Re: Conversion to Maildir Format

2001-01-18 Thread Charles Cazabon
lpful. I already have mail agents to handle maildir format One easy way is to use mutt -- create a Maildir (e.g. ~/Maildir/) using maildirmake, then open your mbox file with mutt. Tag all messages in it ("T.*"), then save all tagged messages to the Maildir (";s" followed by spe

Re: Conversion to Maildir Format

2001-01-18 Thread Manvendra Bhangui
The format I am having currently enables me to convert to unix mbox format by just appending each mail messages into a single file. If you could tell me how to convert from unix mbox format to maildir, that would be helpful. I already have mail agents to handle maildir format Regards Manny

Re: Conversion to Maildir Format

2001-01-18 Thread Dave Sill
"Manvendra Bhangui" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >How do I convert from someother mail format to maildir format used by >qmail. That depends on the "someother mail format". >Basically I am currently having mails being delivered as files >with each mail bein

Conversion to Maildir Format

2001-01-17 Thread Manvendra Bhangui
How do I convert from someother mail format to maildir format used by qmail. Basically I am currently having mails being delivered as files with each mail being a single unix file. I currently am looking at migrating from a proprietory mail platform to qmail and have figured out all the

Re: Procmail and maildir format

2000-09-30 Thread Chris K. Young
Quoted from Subba Rao: > The MTA on my > system is Qmail, therfore I chose to use Maildir format for my mail. I've never heard of an MTA called Qmail. Perhaps you meant qmail? (This distinction is noted in Dave Sill's `

Re: Procmail and maildir format

2000-09-30 Thread Timothy Legant
On Sat, Sep 30, 2000 at 06:05:56PM +, Subba Rao wrote: > I am in the process of moving from maildrop to procmail. The MTA on my > system is Qmail, therfore I chose to use Maildir format for my mail. > Procmail has been compiled to point to my spool at $HOME/Maildir > > The

Re: Procmail and maildir format

2000-09-30 Thread Charles Cazabon
Subba Rao <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I am in the process of moving from maildrop to procmail. The MTA on my > system is Qmail, therfore I chose to use Maildir format for my mail. > Procmail has been compiled to point to my spool at $HOME/Maildir [...] > The fetchmailrc is

Procmail and maildir format

2000-09-30 Thread Subba Rao
I am in the process of moving from maildrop to procmail. The MTA on my system is Qmail, therfore I chose to use Maildir format for my mail. Procmail has been compiled to point to my spool at $HOME/Maildir The fetchmailrc is invoking procmail fine, but it does not write to the $HOME/Maildir/new

Re: Mail clients and Maildir format

2000-05-24 Thread Erwin Hoffmann
ommunicator and MS Outlok boes do support Maildir >format.. > >2.) It (should) does no matter what client (MUA, mail user agent) >your´e using, they all are »knocking« on the mail-servers door to ask >for its mail if there is any. As far i know, if a mail client accesses >this

Re: Mail clients and Maildir format

2000-05-24 Thread Anton Pirnat
Hello, i guess there are (at least) two answers with both same result, but one is funnier.. 1.) Netscape Communicator and MS Outlok boes do support Maildir format.. 2.) It (should) does no matter what client (MUA, mail user agent) your´e using, they all are »knocking« on the mail-servers

RE: Mail clients and Maildir format

2000-05-24 Thread "Próspero, Esteban"
Subject:Re: Mail clients and Maildir format On Wed, May 24, 2000 at 10:43:40AM -0300, "Próspero, Esteban" wrote: > Does anybody know if mail clients like Netscape Communicator or MS Outlook > support the Maildir format? I haven't found out how.

Re: Mail clients and Maildir format

2000-05-24 Thread Chris Johnson
On Wed, May 24, 2000 at 10:43:40AM -0300, "Próspero, Esteban" wrote: > Does anybody know if mail clients like Netscape Communicator or MS Outlook > support the Maildir format? I haven't found out how... Communicator and Outlook communicate with your server via POP3, and do

Mail clients and Maildir format

2000-05-24 Thread "Próspero, Esteban"
Does anybody know if mail clients like Netscape Communicator or MS Outlook support the Maildir format? I haven't found out how... Thanks in advance! Esteban Javier Próspero

qpop3d and /var/spool/mail in Maildir format

2000-05-17 Thread Eric Honzay
Hello, I have sendmail and procmail configured to deliver to /var/spool/mail/$LOGNAME in Maildir format. /var/spool/mail is an NFS mounted partition. I am trying to find a pop3 server to retrieve mail from above. qpop3d seems to be the one but it defaults to $HOME/Maildir, which doesn't

Re: Maildir format

2000-04-17 Thread lluisma
quanta wrote: > Sorry I have one more question, I am using The Maildir format to make it > works with qmail-pop3d > but I can't find any client like pine or elm to work with it, do I have to pop3 clients don't have to know anything about maildir. I use netscape pop3 client an

Re: Maildir format

2000-04-17 Thread Dave Sill
"quanta" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >Sorry I have one more question, I am using The Maildir format to make it >works with qmail-pop3d >but I can't find any client like pine or elm to work with it, do I have to >patch something?? Accessed via POP, the native

Re: Maildir format

2000-04-17 Thread Steve Wolfe
> >Sorry I have one more question, I am using The Maildir format to make it > >works with qmail-pop3d > >but I can't find any client like pine or elm to work with it, do I have to > >patch something?? > > Try mutt. http://www.mutt.org. Any pop3 mail cli

Re: Maildir format

2000-04-17 Thread Paul Schinder
At 9:41 PM +0200 4/17/00, quanta wrote: >Sorry I have one more question, I am using The Maildir format to make it >works with qmail-pop3d >but I can't find any client like pine or elm to work with it, do I have to >patch something?? Try mutt. http://www.mutt.org. > >THX

Maildir format

2000-04-17 Thread quanta
Sorry I have one more question, I am using The Maildir format to make it works with qmail-pop3d but I can't find any client like pine or elm to work with it, do I have to patch something?? THX Mikael

Re: Maildir format info

2000-04-12 Thread Duncan Watson
On Wed, Apr 12, 2000 at 03:18:15PM -0400, Walt Mankowski wrote: > On Tue, Apr 11, 2000 at 08:40:54AM -0700, Duncan Watson wrote: >> >> Very close to my intent. Find, regexps and python as glue. I may use >> tkinter as a front end for prettiness. > > Are you aware that mutt already has the abil

Re: Maildir format info

2000-04-12 Thread Walt Mankowski
t; > > writing a utility to allow me to search all of my maildir folders for mail > > > matching certain regexps and then linking them into a result folder also a > > > maildir that I could then browse with mutt. > > > > You might find that `find` and `egrep` can d

Re: Maildir format info

2000-04-11 Thread Peter van Dijk
On Tue, Apr 11, 2000 at 08:40:54AM -0700, Duncan Watson wrote: [snip] > Excellent. The astute may note that I currently don't use qmail on my office > box but I really love Maildir. One dutch ISP (cistron, the people who brought you Cistron radiusd) have implemented their own Maildir MDA, spawne

Re: Maildir format info

2000-04-11 Thread Duncan Watson
gt; > matching certain regexps and then linking them into a result folder also a > > maildir that I could then browse with mutt. > > You might find that `find` and `egrep` can do what you want with little > extra glue. Maildir format is so simple you don't have to worry a

Re: Maildir format info

2000-04-11 Thread Charles Cazabon
maildir that I could then browse with mutt. You might find that `find` and `egrep` can do what you want with little extra glue. Maildir format is so simple you don't have to worry about it -- one message per file under /new and /cur, ignore everything under /tmp. > Relatively simple bu

Re: Maildir format info

2000-04-10 Thread Manfred Bartz
ildir that I could then browse with mutt. > > Relatively simple but I am looking for details on maildir format so that I > dump my results without cheating. Does anyone have any ideas or pointers? man 5 maildir (comes with qmail) There is _very detailed_ step by step information on how

Maildir format info

2000-04-10 Thread Duncan Watson
I am looking for details on maildir format so that I dump my results without cheating. Does anyone have any ideas or pointers? Thanks, /Duncan -- Duncan Watson nCube

Re: Maildir format

2000-01-20 Thread Matthew Schnierle
On 15 Jan 2000, Russ Allbery wrote: RA>Russell Nelson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: RA> RA>> Because every such installation I've ever seen has used NFS. I'm not RA>> talking about what's good, or what's right. I'm talking about what's RA>> possible to do tomorrow. Yes, it might be that a specia

Re: Maildir format

2000-01-19 Thread Bruce Guenter
On Wed, Jan 19, 2000 at 11:42:56PM -0600, Bruce Guenter wrote: > I have started up two lists, actually: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [EMAIL PROTECTED] These are, of course, ezmlm lists, so to subscribe, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] respectively.

Re: Maildir format

2000-01-19 Thread Bruce Guenter
On Wed, Jan 19, 2000 at 03:31:57PM -0500, Greg Owen wrote: > > Indeed. I should start up a list just to discuss this. > If you start up such a list, let me know. I have started up two lists, actually: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] The first is to discuss an authentic

Re: Maildir format

2000-01-19 Thread Bruno Wolff III
There is a new GNU project starting up called GLUE that seems to be concerned with at least some of the same things you are (plus other stuff). You can start looking at their goals at: http://www.gnu.org/software/glue/glue.html On Wed, Jan 19, 2000 at 12:46:16PM -0600, Bruce Guenter <[EMAIL PRO

Re: Crispin v. Bernstein (was Re: Maildir format)

2000-01-19 Thread craig
A few people have responded to my earlier query/rant/whatever about writing high-quality software. A couple of these have asked me to keep them notified about what I learn, if possible. Another identified the starting-point of a resource. I put up a web page on my site on this topic, which I in

Re: Maildir format

2000-01-19 Thread Magnus Bodin
On Wed, Jan 19, 2000 at 10:53:09AM -0600, Bruce Guenter wrote: > > Do you have an URL for a specification of ACAP or IMSP? I've never > heard of them, but what you've described is a good idea. Actually, the ACAP chapter of O'Reillys "Programming Internet Email" (ISBN 1-56592-479-7) is free! R

RE: Maildir format

2000-01-19 Thread Greg Owen
> On Wed, Jan 19, 2000 at 01:22:11PM -0500, Greg Owen wrote: > > Warning: opinions, little to do with qmail or maildir. > > Indeed. I should start up a list just to discuss this. Bruce, If you start up such a list, let me know. You are asking good questions, quest

Re: Maildir format

2000-01-19 Thread Anthony DeBoer
Bruce Guenter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Tue, Jan 18, 2000 at 03:26:49PM -, Anthony DeBoer wrote: >>> [ protocol wishlist ] > > > > That should include something that makes sense for a host that's behind a > > firewall and/or NAT and/or dynamic-IP dialup to authenticate and download > >

Re: Maildir format

2000-01-19 Thread Bruce Guenter
On Wed, Jan 19, 2000 at 12:36:05PM -0600, Bruce Guenter wrote: > > A good calendaring system requires that users receive requests for > > meetings and can answer them, and have trouble screwing them up (i.e. > > putting the metainfo in the subject line is easy to screw up). Email is the > > i

Re: Maildir format

2000-01-19 Thread Bruce Guenter
On Wed, Jan 19, 2000 at 01:22:11PM -0500, Greg Owen wrote: > Warning: opinions, little to do with qmail or maildir. Indeed. I should start up a list just to discuss this. > > As much as I would like scheduling, this is an "mailbox" > > program, which handles email. I believe that proper

RE: Maildir format

2000-01-19 Thread Greg Owen
Warning: opinions, little to do with qmail or maildir. Bruce Guenter wrote: > On Sat, Jan 15, 2000 at 12:25:09PM -0500, Greg Owen wrote: > > 1) Integrate support for some sort of calendaring. I've > > run both IMAP and Exchange based environments, and for all > > its faults, the integr

Re: Maildir format

2000-01-19 Thread Tracy R Reed
On Sun, Jan 16, 2000 at 10:35:09AM -0600, Tim Tsai wrote: > What do you guys do for backup's? Do you put two NIC cards in each > server and maintain a separate network for that? We actually use a couple Storagetek 9710 tape libraries. 10 DLT 7000 drives and something like 800 slots for tapes.

Re: Maildir format

2000-01-19 Thread Bruce Guenter
On Sat, Jan 15, 2000 at 12:25:09PM -0500, Greg Owen wrote: > 1) Integrate support for some sort of calendaring. I've run both IMAP and > Exchange based environments, and for all its faults, the integrated > calendaring that Exchange does is extremely useful. None of the web-based > calendaring s

Re: Maildir format

2000-01-19 Thread Bruce Guenter
On Tue, Jan 18, 2000 at 03:26:49PM -, Anthony DeBoer wrote: > Bruce Guenter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > The needs I am aware of include: > > - hierarchical multiple mailbox support > > That should include something that makes sense for a host that's behind a > firewall and/or NAT and/or d

Re: Maildir format (indexing)

2000-01-18 Thread Mark Delany
On Tue, Jan 18, 2000 at 06:41:23PM +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Well the CDB (in my idea, at least) will be indexed to the unchanging part > of a message filename (without new/ or cur/ in front), and contain the headers > that mutt normally reads from the file itself while opening. [Yes, I

Re: Maildir format (indexing)

2000-01-18 Thread petervd
On Tue, Jan 18, 2000 at 10:15:31AM -0600, Jeff Hayward wrote: > On Fri, 14 Jan 2000, Russell Nelson wrote: > > One way to do that would be for Dan to change the > Maildir specification so that a Maildir may have multiple "cur" > directories. Then, keep a CDB containing a subset of the mess

Re: Maildir format (scaling)

2000-01-18 Thread Michael Boman
On Tue, Jan 18, 2000 at 10:32:23AM -0600, Jeff Hayward wrote: > On 14 Jan 2000, Russ Allbery wrote: > > I'm responding to provide a counterpoint to Russ's views. I certainly > don't plan on changing his mind by my argument. It is abundantly clear > that "there's more that one way to do it (well

Re: Maildir format (scaling)

2000-01-18 Thread Jeff Hayward
On 14 Jan 2000, Russ Allbery wrote: I'm responding to provide a counterpoint to Russ's views. I certainly don't plan on changing his mind by my argument. It is abundantly clear that "there's more that one way to do it (well)" to borrow a phrase. My experience is quite the contrary, namely th

Re: Maildir format (indexing)

2000-01-18 Thread Russell Nelson
Jeff Hayward writes: > On Fri, 14 Jan 2000, Russell Nelson wrote: > > One way to do that would be for Dan to change the > Maildir specification so that a Maildir may have multiple "cur" > directories. Then, keep a CDB containing a subset of the message > headers. > > Why multipl

Re: Maildir format (indexing)

2000-01-18 Thread Jeff Hayward
On Fri, 14 Jan 2000, Russell Nelson wrote: One way to do that would be for Dan to change the Maildir specification so that a Maildir may have multiple "cur" directories. Then, keep a CDB containing a subset of the message headers. Why multiple "cur" directories? I'm guessing that you'r

Re: Maildir format

2000-01-18 Thread Anthony DeBoer
Bruce Guenter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > The needs I am aware of include: > - the basics of POP3 plus... >[snip] > - hierarchical multiple mailbox support That should include something that makes sense for a host that's behind a firewall and/or NAT and/or dynamic-IP dialup to authenticate

Re: Maildir format

2000-01-18 Thread bert hubert
On Fri, Jan 14, 2000 at 03:07:09PM -0500, Russell Nelson wrote: > Right, and any scalable email system is going to use NFS. Therefore No. We scale with pop-proxies, and do without NFS at all. We rely heavily on LDAP to achieve this. Regards, bert. -- +---+ | h

Re: Maildir format

2000-01-18 Thread petervd
On Tue, Jan 18, 2000 at 12:11:16AM -0600, Bruce Guenter wrote: > On Tue, Jan 18, 2000 at 12:53:37AM -0500, Russell Nelson wrote: > > > Um, am I missing something? I thought the whole point of the "info" > > > portion of the filename of the message in the maildir? > > Right, and do you want the

Re: Maildir format

2000-01-17 Thread Bruce Guenter
On Tue, Jan 18, 2000 at 12:53:37AM -0500, Russell Nelson wrote: > > Um, am I missing something? I thought the whole point of the "info" > > portion of the filename of the message in the maildir? > Right, and do you want the filename changing all the time? Instead of > a simple "open()", you h

Re: Maildir format

2000-01-17 Thread Russell Nelson
Bruce Guenter writes: > On Sat, Jan 15, 2000 at 10:57:00PM -0500, Russell Nelson wrote: > > I wonder if that couldn't be handled by the Maildir code writing > > Status: XXX as the very first line in each message? > > Um, am I missing something? I thought the whole point of the "info" >

Re: Maildir format

2000-01-16 Thread Bruce Guenter
On Sun, Jan 16, 2000 at 05:47:50PM +, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > And even if you didn't mind doing that, then > > > events of interest could be reported using a prompt which conveyed the > > > same information as "You have a pending event". So you'd either be > > > executing a command, or

Re: Maildir format

2000-01-16 Thread Bruce Guenter
On Sun, Jan 16, 2000 at 02:09:00PM +0100, Claus Färber wrote: > Bruce Guenter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb/wrote: > > First place to start is to figure out what is actually necessary. In a > > lot of cases, POP3 with a few extensions should be perfectly adequate, > > but it is necessary to know wh

Re: Maildir format

2000-01-16 Thread Russ Allbery
Ruben van der Leij <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Sun, Jan 16, 2000 at 10:35:09AM -0600, Tim Tsai wrote: >> What do you guys do for backup's? Do you put two NIC cards in each >> server and maintain a separate network for that? We just back up over the same network as we do everything else, ea

Re: Maildir format

2000-01-16 Thread Delanet Administration
We decided against NetApp for the same reasons, and went with Metastor. Performance is great, easy to upgrade, and it fit our needs for a reasonable price vs using seperate file stores for each mail server. I'm sure there are other brands out there of similar price/performance (we spent maybe 15k

Re: Maildir format

2000-01-16 Thread richard
On Sat, 15 Jan 2000, Bruce Guenter wrote: > On Sat, Jan 15, 2000 at 01:20:05AM -0500, Russell Nelson wrote: > > What about asynchronous commands and > > notifications? I'd nuke 'em, myself. > > Which of course begs the question about what kinds of events are really > necessary for a mailbox a

Re: Maildir format

2000-01-16 Thread Tim Tsai
> > What do you guys do for backup's? Do you put two NIC cards in each > > server and maintain a separate network for that? > > Do you have *a lot* of pc-hardware around? What failed, last time? And > before that? No, that wasn't why I asked. The main reason for two NIC's is to keep the ba

Re: Maildir format

2000-01-16 Thread Tim Tsai
What do you guys do for backup's? Do you put two NIC cards in each server and maintain a separate network for that? Thanks, from a guy that's about to take that big plunge into a scalable mail design. Tim On Sun, Jan 16, 2000 at 02:56:59AM -0800, Tracy R Reed wrote: > On Sat, Jan 15, 200

Re: Maildir format

2000-01-16 Thread Claus Färber
Bruce Guenter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb/wrote: > First place to start is to figure out what is actually necessary. In a > lot of cases, POP3 with a few extensions should be perfectly adequate, > but it is necessary to know what the needs actually are. I don't think it's a good idea to overload

Re: Maildir format

2000-01-16 Thread Tracy R Reed
On Sat, Jan 15, 2000 at 09:41:48AM -0600, Tim Tsai wrote: > Russ, what is your definition of a "large" installation? 10k, 100k, 1m > users? Just exactly how many lighter-weight servers is practical to > manage and upkeep before it's cheaper to buy NetApp's? As someone who has purchased and ma

Re: Maildir format

2000-01-15 Thread Bruce Guenter
On Sat, Jan 15, 2000 at 10:26:22PM -0800, Peter C. Norton wrote: > > Good thought, especially with the tunneling options, but unless things > > have changed, SSH still requires shell access -- something that should > > not be required for mailbox access. > > Not really. It only spawns a shell be

Re: Maildir format

2000-01-15 Thread Peter C. Norton
On Sat, Jan 15, 2000 at 10:26:22PM -0800, Peter C. Norton wrote: > Not really. It only spawns a shell because sshd's usual procedure is to > invoke /bin/login as it's last action (step 10 in the sshd(8) version 1 man Sorry, I meant "emulate /bin/login" and asit's last step start a shell. > pag

Re: Maildir format

2000-01-15 Thread Peter C. Norton
On Sun, Jan 16, 2000 at 12:09:13AM -0600, Bruce Guenter wrote: > Good thought, especially with the tunneling options, but unless things > have changed, SSH still requires shell access -- something that should > not be required for mailbox access. Not really. It only spawns a shell because sshd'

Re: Maildir format

2000-01-15 Thread Peter C. Norton
Actually, using ssh would obviate the need for an ftp-like second connection protocol-mess for async notification. I think you could just forward 2 connections over the already-established link. So all connections from a particular client would be guranteed to land on the same server, despite an

Re: Maildir format

2000-01-15 Thread Bruce Guenter
On Sat, Jan 15, 2000 at 10:57:00PM -0500, Russell Nelson wrote: > Bruce Guenter writes: > > - message state storage (read, replied to, forwarded, flagged, etc.) > > seperate from content delivery (a "Status:" header line) > > I wonder if that couldn't be handled by the Maildir code writing >

Re: Maildir format

2000-01-15 Thread Frederik Lindberg
For very large folders over slow links, the client can display info from the state file while scanning the directory. Most likely, the only difference is a new message or two. A cdb keyed on the file name would be nice for the state file. Of course, the name and format for a state file should be d

Re: Maildir format

2000-01-15 Thread Russell Nelson
Bruce Guenter writes: > - message state storage (read, replied to, forwarded, flagged, etc.) > seperate from content delivery (a "Status:" header line) I wonder if that couldn't be handled by the Maildir code writing Status: XXX as the very first line in each message? Then, you could cha

Re: Maildir format

2000-01-14 Thread Peter C. Norton
On Fri, Jan 14, 2000 at 09:36:03PM -0500, Sam wrote: > caches the headers by itself. It seems that the original IMAP > implementation by uwimap was so piss-poor performance-wise, that pretty > much all IMAP clients either do some form of caching themselves, or are > very carefull not to issue any

Re: Maildir format

2000-01-14 Thread Sam
ether "access" delivery or > > reading or both). Maildir format is not something you should be using > > for email archival, or for very large mail folders. However, the lack > > of locking requirement is a big win over NFS. > > Right, and any scalable email system

Re: Maildir format

2000-01-14 Thread Sam
On Fri, 14 Jan 2000, Russell Nelson wrote: > =?iso-8859-2?Q?Ond=F8ej=20Sur=FD?= writes: > > > Could someone comment this? > > Yeah. Mark Crispin doesn't like Dan Bernstein; therefore anything Dan > Bernstein does has technical problems which "don't scale" and are "a > support nightmare." Mar

Re: Maildir format

2000-01-14 Thread Sam
On Fri, 14 Jan 2000, Ondøej Surý wrote: > >From libc-client4.7 documentation: > --strip-- > The Maildir format used by qmail has all of the performance > disadvantages of mh noted above, with the additional problem that > the > files are renamed in order to change their

Re: Maildir format

2000-01-14 Thread Russell Nelson
Russ Allbery writes: > Russell Nelson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > Right, and any scalable email system is going to use NFS. > > Why do you think that? Because every such installation I've ever seen has used NFS. I'm not talking about what's good, or what's right. I'm talking about

Re: Maildir format

2000-01-14 Thread Russ Allbery
Russell Nelson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Right, and any scalable email system is going to use NFS. Why do you think that? My experience is quite the contrary, namely that delivering to *any* shared file system, whether it be NFS or AFS, is fundamentally less reliable and harder to maintain

Re: Maildir format

2000-01-14 Thread Russell Nelson
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > Note that I don't really see the benefit in multiple cur-directories, apart > from the performance advantages on sub-optimal [most] filesystems, for which > same reason the queue directories are split up. Right, me neither. > | 'C makes it easy to shoot yourself i

Re: Maildir format

2000-01-14 Thread Russell Nelson
Charles Cazabon writes: > Russell Nelson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Right, and any scalable email system is going to use NFS. Therefore > > the question in my mind is not "What should be used for large folders > > instead of Maildirs?" but instead "What must be done to make Maildirs

Re: Maildir format

2000-01-14 Thread petervd
On Fri, Jan 14, 2000 at 02:21:47PM -0600, Charles Cazabon wrote: > Russell Nelson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Right, and any scalable email system is going to use NFS. Therefore > > the question in my mind is not "What should be used for large folders > > instead of Maildirs?" but instead

Re: Maildir format

2000-01-14 Thread Charles Cazabon
Russell Nelson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Right, and any scalable email system is going to use NFS. Therefore > the question in my mind is not "What should be used for large folders > instead of Maildirs?" but instead "What must be done to make Maildirs > more efficient"? One way to do that

Re: Maildir format

2000-01-14 Thread Russell Nelson
Mikko Hänninen writes: > But, the commentary completely misses the good points and the purpose > of Maildirs: that they're ideal for incoming mail delivery, especially > when the folder is accesses over NFS (whether "access" delivery or > reading or both). Maildir

Re: Maildir format

2000-01-14 Thread Russell Nelson
=?iso-8859-2?Q?Ond=F8ej=20Sur=FD?= writes: > Could someone comment this? Yeah. Mark Crispin doesn't like Dan Bernstein; therefore anything Dan Bernstein does has technical problems which "don't scale" and are "a support nightmare." Mark doesn't want to hear what I have to say about IMAP (whic

Crispin v. Bernstein (was Re: Maildir format)

2000-01-14 Thread craig
I would be interested in knowing more about both Dan Bernstein's and Mark Crispin's views about how software should be engineered, e.g. pointers to web pages with their views boiled down to the salient points. (Someday I intend to investigate at least Dan's views for myself via web/USENET searche

Maildir format

2000-01-14 Thread Ondřej Surý
>From libc-client4.7 documentation: --strip-- The Maildir format used by qmail has all of the performance disadvantages of mh noted above, with the additional problem that the files are renamed in order to change their status so you end up having to rescan the directory frequently

Re: Maildir format

2000-01-14 Thread Marcin Jaskowiak
On Wed, 12 Jan 2000, Kristina wrote: > [...] > Do I need a .qmail file to configure the maildir format. If so, how do I > configure it. Please let me know. Yes. Just tell qmail where to put incoming mail's (echo "./Maildir/" > .qmail). Anyway, to create Maildir/ne

Re: Maildir format

2000-01-14 Thread Mikko Hänninen
Ondrej Surý <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote on Fri, 14 Jan 2000: > From libc-client4.7 documentation: > --strip-- > The Maildir format used by qmail has all of the performance > disadvantages of mh noted above, with the additional problem > Could someone comment this? Well

Re: Maildir format

2000-01-14 Thread Dave Sill
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >>From libc-client4.7 documentation: >--strip-- > The Maildir format used by qmail has all of the performance >disadvantages of mh noted above, with the additional problem that the >files are renamed in order to change their status so you end up >

Re: Maildir format

2000-01-12 Thread Len Budney
Kristina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Do I need a .qmail file to configure the maildir format. No. If you make "./Maildir/" the default delivery instruction, then it will work even if nobody has a .qmail file. BUT! qmail can _deliver to_ a maildir. It can't _crea

Maildir format

2000-01-11 Thread Kristina
I thought that configuring the /var/qmail/control/defaultdelivery file and /var/qmail/rc files was all you needed for the maildir format. However, as I was not getting tmp, cur and new directories created I rechecked the Life with Qmail documentation again to find out that I may need the .qmail

Re: Maildir format

1999-11-28 Thread Mikko Hänninen
Subba Rao <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote on Sat, 27 Nov 1999: > I have opted to use Maildir format over mbox. The MDA in use is maildrop. > Except for the inbox/spool directory, all the folders that maildrop uses > are mbox format. The folders maildrop uses are in ~/Mail while the inco

Maildir format

1999-11-27 Thread Subba Rao
I have opted to use Maildir format over mbox. The MDA in use is maildrop. Except for the inbox/spool directory, all the folders that maildrop uses are mbox format. The folders maildrop uses are in ~/Mail while the incoming spool is ~/Maildir. I thought one of the benifits of Maildir, is to have

Re: Message sequence/ordering when using MAILDIR format

1999-11-11 Thread Russell Nelson
Curtis Generous writes: > According to Russell Nelson: > > > > Curtis Generous writes: > > > What is the mailbox ordering scheme that is returned by applications > > > as qmail-pop3d when using MAILDIR? > > > > > > For example, if when using the 'LIST' or 'UIDL' command to POP, > >

Re: Message sequence/ordering when using MAILDIR format

1999-11-11 Thread Curtis Generous
According to Russell Nelson: > > Curtis Generous writes: > > What is the mailbox ordering scheme that is returned by applications > > as qmail-pop3d when using MAILDIR? > > > > For example, if when using the 'LIST' or 'UIDL' command to POP, > > in what sequence will files be listed? In cron

Re: Message sequence/ordering when using MAILDIR format

1999-11-11 Thread Curtis Generous
According to Petr Novotny: > > On 11 Nov 99, at 11:03, Curtis Generous wrote: > > I wasn't able to find any mention of this either in the archives or > > in any of the doc files. > > How about - deliberately undocumented? > > What exactly do you need to know the order for? I need to make sure t

Re: Message sequence/ordering when using MAILDIR format

1999-11-11 Thread Russell Nelson
Curtis Generous writes: > What is the mailbox ordering scheme that is returned by applications > as qmail-pop3d when using MAILDIR? > > For example, if when using the 'LIST' or 'UIDL' command to POP, > in what sequence will files be listed? In cronological order, or > file creation time, or

Re: Message sequence/ordering when using MAILDIR format

1999-11-11 Thread Petr Novotny
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 11 Nov 99, at 11:03, Curtis Generous wrote: > I wasn't able to find any mention of this either in the archives or > in any of the doc files. How about - deliberately undocumented? What exactly do you need to know the order for? -BEGIN PGP SI

Message sequence/ordering when using MAILDIR format

1999-11-11 Thread Curtis Generous
What is the mailbox ordering scheme that is returned by applications as qmail-pop3d when using MAILDIR? For example, if when using the 'LIST' or 'UIDL' command to POP, in what sequence will files be listed? In cronological order, or file creation time, or Do files in ~/Maildir/cur come befo

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