Guess I better find that dongle then...
Thanks,
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help!
I've installed a DOS card from a gutted 6100 into a
Quadra. I've never used one before. Since I do not
have the dongle for the wee beastie, I figured I
could just use the Mac monitor with PC running in a
window.
Well, it doesn't. It says that PC is running, but
aside from a slight
There is no option to run a DOS card (6100 and some 68K PDS machines), a
DOS on a Mac [ DOAM ] card (Reply, for 7100/8100/9150 PDS machines) or
a PC Compatibility card (PCI Macs) without the appropriate dongle.
The DOAM card will not work with with a G3 PDS card which incorporates
HPV pass
Peter,
You lost me somewhere. This is not a G3 machine (far
from it... remember, Quadlist?), just an ol' Quadra
650 with PDS. What does the dongle do, precisely?
Are you saying that I need to wire a video out from
the port on the back of the card? If so, any idea what
the pinouts are?
I am in
In a message dated 9/22/03 5:42:12 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
You lost me somewhere.
Not my intention. I simply identified every Apple DOS/PC card I am familar
with. The Reply card is simply a Reply vended version of the Apple designed card
This is not a G3 machine (far from it...
In a message dated 5/31/03 7:40:53 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
By the way, thanks to those of you here who responded. I was worried that the
DOS cards were getting scarce (based on how much that guy soaked me for!).
Not scarce at all.
Often as little as $10 on e-bone, and some New-in-Box
Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 13:30:40 -0700 (PDT)
From: Robert Little [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Needed: Houdini/DOS card!
Howdy Y'all!
Been bamboozled. Bought what was supposed to be a 610
DOS card... was a 6100 DOS card instead. Sold it to
work, but still need a 610 DOS card for my Centris.
Anyone
Howdy Y'all!
Been bamboozled. Bought what was supposed to be a 610
DOS card... was a 6100 DOS card instead. Sold it to
work, but still need a 610 DOS card for my Centris.
Anyone know a source?
Thanks,
Robert
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on 5/29/03 3:30 PM, Robert Little at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Howdy Y'all!
Been bamboozled. Bought what was supposed to be a 610
DOS card... was a 6100 DOS card instead. Sold it to
work, but still need a 610 DOS card for my Centris.
Anyone know a source?
I've got one. We'll need to check
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
DOS cards as found on 630 DOS Compatible Macs were limited to 32 MB
RAM. Try running Win98 in 32 MB RAM :-(
Actually, Win98 works quite normal on 32Mb Ram - as far as CPU is at
least ~150-200 MHz.
WBR,
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Kyle Kinsey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[ Win95 'USB patch' ]
My point was you didn;t have to install it, it was already there!
Once again, no. You'll have to add it separately.
And you believe what microsoft says do you?
In this particular case, yes. And in addition, I've tried to use various
At 01:17 PM 1/27/2003 +0200, you wrote:
Actually, Win98 works quite normal on 32Mb Ram - as far as CPU is at
least ~150-200 MHz.
WBR,
Artur
Just for kicks once, I tried Win98 on it's minimum requirement - a 486/66
with 16 megs of RAM. It ran, surprisingly okayishly. Upped the memory for
64
On Monday, January 27, 2003, 18:11, you wrote:
SH At 01:17 PM 1/27/2003 +0200, you wrote:
Actually, Win98 works quite normal on 32Mb Ram - as far as CPU is at
least ~150-200 MHz.
WBR,
Artur
SH Just for kicks once, I tried Win98 on it's minimum requirement - a 486/66
SH with 16 megs of RAM. It
At 08:22 PM 1/27/2003 -0800, you wrote:
Speaking of minimum requirements for Win98, this seems appropriate:
http://www.winhistory.de/more/386/386vers.htm
Win98 running on a 386?
Perhaps someone here who can read German can take a look...
It would be better than what I get from Web translators.
On Monday, January 27, 2003, 20:55, you wrote:
SH At 08:22 PM 1/27/2003 -0800, you wrote:
Speaking of minimum requirements for Win98, this seems appropriate:
http://www.winhistory.de/more/386/386vers.htm
Win98 running on a 386?
Perhaps someone here who can read German can take a look...
It
At 21:29 -0800 on 27/01/03, Shroom wrote:
SH Anyway, this is getting a bit too off-topic, methinks, so I'll leave it at
SH that.
SH Scott Holder
Yes, I had got that (the basic idea).
I was hoping someone who could understand more of the page in its
original language could tell us more.
There
Kyle Kinsey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Win98 is very similar to the Win95, but it isn't just bug-fixed
version - there are some serious differencies in the kernel. For
example, Win98 does have native (built-in) support for USB peripheral,
and Win98SE - support for FireWire peripheral, unlike
Excuse me, but it isn't really correct. The support essentially means,
that after installing so-called 'USB patch' (it must be installed
manually, BTW), in the Device Manager you'll see gray square labelled
'USB hub' instead of yellow question mark labelled 'Unknown PCI device'.
But you'll be
DOS cards as found on 630 DOS Compatible Macs were limited to 32 MB
RAM. Try running Win98 in 32 MB RAM :-(
Actually I run Win98SE on an old machine around here which has only 16mb.
But then I am sick! ;-)
Kyle Kinsey
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At 13:16 +, 1/25/03, (Kyle Kinsey) observed:
But look at the Subject: line - we're just speaking about 'what software
might work on particular Macintosh hardware'! :-)
But even then we've stretched a little!
A nanny, I have no particular problem with this thread, it *is*
install. OTOH, it's not part of the DOS card, either, so...
98's somewhat more stable, 95 (if you can find the earlier versions without
anything integrated - think my old upgrade CD didn't even have IE, or it
was IE 2.0 or some such) will probably run better in the limited amount of
memory
On 24 Jan 2003, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
You could run Win95 (I used to) but I found there was also a
(serious) limitation with this card. It's highest video display was
800 x 600 at 4bit resolution - 16 colors in total. Just pitiful. You
could get 8bit color at 640 x 480
Did you
Kyle Kinsey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
My bet is that 98 will work since it is just an improvement over
95and I bet that ME would run if you had a 586 with 64MB of RAM
(I'm guessing here), since ME is an improved 98.
indeed 98 and 98se should both work being just 95+plus+ie4 and a few
Hi Kyle,
Win98 is very similar to the Win95, but it isn't just bug-fixed
version - there are some serious differencies in the kernel. For
example, Win98 does have native (built-in) support for USB peripheral,
and Win98SE - support for FireWire peripheral, unlike Win95.
Kind of depends how you
On 23 Jan 2003, Artur Yelchishchev [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Kyle Kinsey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
My bet is that 98 will work since it is just an improvement over
95and I bet that ME would run if you had a 586 with 64MB of RAM
(I'm guessing here), since ME is an improved 98.
In a message dated 1/24/03 3:58:35 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
You could run Win95 (I used to) but I found there was also a
(serious) limitation with this card. It's highest video display was
800 x 600 at 4bit resolution - 16 colors in total. Just pitiful.
You could get 8bit color at 640 x
I think it's due to it having to use BIOS calls to access the hard drive.
NT uses BIOS calls or Win 95/98?
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Actually, it is the way NT allows access to the system peripherals. NT
is supposed to simulate what called protective mode operations. If
Not exactly protected mode is just the name of when 386 chips up run
properly, real mode being silly 16bit mode.
Though as an os is provides a secure
Negatory!
DOS and Windows run better, and more reliably, on a MAC, than on a
gen-u-wine
PC.
Seriously!
That changes my opinion of the DOS card from being a novelty. I assume it
has something to do with how the instruction set is being used in the 680X0
style of CPU chip being more stable
is closer
to a UNIX based OS than DOS based and is more stable. It is good to hear
that the DOS card makes up for the inadequacies of the pentium style of CPU.
John
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of FAT (File Allocation Table) than NT which uses NTFS. NT is closer
to a UNIX based OS than DOS based and is more stable. It is good to hear
that the DOS card makes up for the inadequacies of the pentium style of CPU.
John
I think it's due to it having to use BIOS calls to access the hard
a
different
style of FAT (File Allocation Table) than NT which uses NTFS. NT is
closer
to a UNIX based OS than DOS based and is more stable. It is good to
hear
that the DOS card makes up for the inadequacies of the pentium style
of CPU.
John
I think it's due to it having to use BIOS calls
What is a DOS card? The best I can understand is it is a way for a Mac to
use an 80x86 processor. Is this correct?
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At 4:03 -0700 21/01/03, J Sand wrote:
What is a DOS card? The best I can understand is it is a way for a Mac to
use an 80x86 processor. Is this correct?
A PC on a Nubus or PCI card, put it in your Mac, and you have both a Mac
and a PC in the same box.
Rather genious.
Tina
The one that I am familiar with (probably the oldest) is essentially a 286
self-contained on two interconnected nubus cards, complete with one whole meg
of memory. When I had this installed in my quadra 700, I found it to be
essentially useless. I mean it worked, but it wasn't good for
In a message dated 1/21/03 3:03:41 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
What is a DOS card? The best I can understand is it is a way for a Mac to
use an 80x86 processor. Is this correct?
There are actually quite a few such cards, from Apple, Orange Micro and Reply.
The Apple card was ultimately
At 12:52 PM 1/21/2003 -0800, you wrote:
A few versions I know of:
1. 486 on a PDS card (or adaptor, or built in with some sort of
extension, like the Performa 640CD.) These can, from what I read, *only*
run DOS. Something about how they access the disk and/or hardware - though
IIRC the Perf. 640CD
At 06:45 PM 1/21/2003, Scott Holder typed thusly:
At 12:52 PM 1/21/2003 -0800, you wrote:
Well, my 640CD DOS runs Win95 fine, and would likely run 98. Haven't tried NT.
Wasn't thinking of 95 (and haven't in years. g) I've seen statements
saying flat out they do *not* run Linux, NT, or OS/2.
Hi
I once ran a PDS dos card in my Q650, and it worked just fine.
The one problem was the cables. I have to use string to support the cable
from inside the machine, and feed it through an empty nubus slot.
Can't find copy of site where I got info how to do it again though.
I did remember
On 20 Jan 2003, edjones [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I once ran a PDS dos card in my Q650, and it worked just fine.
The one problem was the cables. I have to use string to support the cable
from inside the machine, and feed it through an empty nubus slot.
Can't find copy of site where I got
At 9:10 +1100 21/01/03, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
This page may be of interest for those wanting to try the 610 DOS
card in Quadras other than the original 610:
http://www.bme.unc.edu/~hope/linx/mac/dosmac.html
Ahh, there it was.
The info about Q800 and the DOS card hasn't been updated though
At 19:26 -0800 on 17/01/03, Kris Jones wrote:
Unfortunately the card is '040 PDS. I've heard that the card can be used in
other '040s, which would fix everything since I also just purchased a Quadra
950 (I've wanted one since they came out!!!).
Does anyone have any experience using one of these
At 21:22 -0500 on 18/01/03, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'm not certain, but if it's a PDS slot, I think you can put an Apple IIe
compatibility card in it.
Only if it's LC PDS, which the 040 PDS most certainly isn't.
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Does anyone have any experience using one of these cards in something other
than a Q610?
The other versions of that card incorporate the very same card, but add an
extender for the (single) connector, which extender also provides some
mechanical support for the card.
As the connectors are
At 19:26 -0800 on 17/01/03, Kris Jones wrote:
Unfortunately the card is '040 PDS. I've heard that the card can be used in
other '040s, which would fix everything since I also just purchased a Quadra
950 (I've wanted one since they came out!!!).
I don't recall right offhand if it's the same
At 11:17 -0800 on 19/01/03, E McCann wrote:
At 19:26 -0800 on 17/01/03, Kris Jones wrote:
Unfortunately the card is '040 PDS. I've heard that the card can be used in
other '040s, which would fix everything since I also just purchased a Quadra
950 (I've wanted one since they came out!!!).
I
At 12:39 -0500 19/01/03, the pickle replied:
I once saw a WWW page that had info about using one in a 650
Dug around my 1000 bookmarks, but can't find it either. Maybe you can find
something in the DOS card faq here:
http://homepage.mac.com/olivers/DOScard/DOScard.html
Tina
I'm not certain, but if it's a PDS slot, I think you can put an Apple IIe
compatibility card in it.
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At 03:16 -0400 on 16/05/02, Craig Phillips wrote:
$$$ wise buy a powermac 7500-9600 or clone, and I say stay away from
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What do those have to do with upgrading a 640 DOS?
the pickle
FAQ http://macfaq.org/index.shtml
wouldn't take much.
No idea if the DOS card will still work if you do this. Anyone know?
about any of the 5200/5300/6200/6300 class boards, and if you don't put
much on it, one of the 6400/6500/5400/5500 boards. I have mine at a 6214
Only the x500s. The x400s definitely don't work
While we're still on this subject, what non-68k logic board(s) could be
stuffed inside of a Performa 600 case?
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At 03:57 PM 5/16/2002 -0400, you wrote:
While we're still on this subject, what non-68k logic board(s) could be
stuffed inside of a Performa 600 case?
As far as what fits, any [5/6]200, [5/6]300, [5/6]400, and [5/6]500 board.
As to what works, the x200 and x300 boards should work without
At 15:57 -0400 on 16/05/02, Haroon wrote:
While we're still on this subject, what non-68k logic board(s) could be
stuffed inside of a Performa 600 case?
Lessee...7100 most easily. Actually, pretty much anything onve you really
start playing around.
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At 16:06 -0400 on 16/05/02, Scott Holder wrote:
At 03:57 PM 5/16/2002 -0400, you wrote:
While we're still on this subject, what non-68k logic board(s) could be
stuffed inside of a Performa 600 case?
As far as what fits, any [5/6]200, [5/6]300, [5/6]400, and [5/6]500 board.
Re-read that. P600
on 5/16/02 3:13 PM, the pickle at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Re-read that. P600 = IIvx. P600 != P63x/640 :)
PPC 7100/80 board should fit the form factor ( and have I got such a dill
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At 16:09 -0400 on 16/05/02, Scott Holder wrote:
cards or a G3 upgrade. My mostly naked 6500 board works, though I once
disassembled the case to stick a PCI video card vertically to flash the ROM
to Mac and it still worked fine.
Wait a sec. You wanna clarify that a bit? :)
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I have a Performa 640 (with DOS card) and was looking to speed it up and
turn it into a legacy port printing server. I could care less about the DOS
card... If there¹s a market, I¹ll sell it on Ebay, but...
1) What are my best options to speed this machine up? (I¹ve heard either
replace DOS
At 05:59 PM 5/15/2002 -0400, you wrote:
At 17:38 -0400 on 15/05/02, Scott Holder wrote:
Several options. You can clock chip it to 40mhz, which wouldn't take much.
No idea if the DOS card will still work if you do this. Anyone know?
Works fine. Mine is chipped to 40mhz and the DOS card
on 5/15/02 4:17 PM, Joshua D. Braun at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
3) If I upgrade to a new motherboard, is there still a capability to insert
a tuner card? Is this a cost effective way to not need a TV in a small
apartment?
I was watching TV on an all-in-one PowerMac today at school. While
At 17:38 -0400 on 15/05/02, Scott Holder wrote:
Several options. You can clock chip it to 40mhz, which wouldn't take much.
No idea if the DOS card will still work if you do this. Anyone know?
about any of the 5200/5300/6200/6300 class boards, and if you don't put
much on it, one of the 6400
I was watching TV on an all-in-one PowerMac today at school. While the
video was filling the whole computer screen, it was obvious that the picture
wasn't 640X480, but looked more like pixel-doubled 320X240. This made it
very hard to read small text and make out details. I don't know if all
;).
Anyway, I was right, in a round-about way. Upgrading to a Power Mac
5x00 or 6x00 will lose you your DOS card as there is nowhere (it
would appear) to plug it into.
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I was watching TV on an all-in-one PowerMac today at school. While the
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wasn't 640X480, but looked more like pixel-doubled 320X240. This made it
very hard to read small text and make out details. I don't know if
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