Re: [ntp:questions] Building FreeBSD V8.0 kernel for PPS

2010-04-17 Thread David J Taylor
I'm not about this weekend either, so play will recommence sometime next week. I'ts synching with a collection of uk.pool servers at the mo, just for the heck of it. Yes, that was how I started when getting the box working - it proved that basic NTP and the network were both OK. I actually

Re: [ntp:questions] Building FreeBSD V8.0 kernel for PPS

2010-04-16 Thread G8KBV
In article hq7ocu$nn...@news.eternal-september.org, david- tay...@blueyonder.co.uk.invalid says... Well.. It compiled and installed OK now! :) [] Next step, to spark up NTPD and see if that plays. But that may have to wait till next week, as I'm away for the weekend now. I already

Re: [ntp:questions] Building FreeBSD V8.0 kernel for PPS

2010-04-15 Thread David J Taylor
I might have some progress on this. More news later. It seems to be compiling now. I missed something in the instructions, as you do, when it's late and the eyes are going. Regards. Dave B. I used copy and paste from my Web browser into the terminal emulator session! Cheers, David

Re: [ntp:questions] Building FreeBSD V8.0 kernel for PPS

2010-04-15 Thread Dave Baxter
In article hq7bqa$ov...@news.eternal-september.org, david- tay...@blueyonder.co.uk.invalid says... I might have some progress on this. More news later. It seems to be compiling now. I missed something in the instructions, as you do, when it's late and the eyes are going. Regards.

Re: [ntp:questions] Building FreeBSD V8.0 kernel for PPS

2010-04-15 Thread David J Taylor
Well.. It compiled and installed OK now! :) [] Next step, to spark up NTPD and see if that plays. But that may have to wait till next week, as I'm away for the weekend now. I already have a pre configured GPS RX ready to go however. Thanks everyone for your time and patience. Dave B.

Re: [ntp:questions] Building FreeBSD V8.0 kernel for PPS

2010-04-15 Thread Chuck Swiger
On Apr 14, 2010, at 9:51 PM, unruh wrote: Kernel PPS_SYNC discipline is capable of providing around +/- 120 nanosecond accuracy. While an ethernet packet containing NTP timestamps might well fire off an interrupt from the NIC, not only is the network ISR a lot more complicated and slower

Re: [ntp:questions] Building FreeBSD V8.0 kernel for PPS

2010-04-15 Thread unruh
On 2010-04-15, Chuck Swiger cswi...@mac.com wrote: On Apr 14, 2010, at 9:51 PM, unruh wrote: Kernel PPS_SYNC discipline is capable of providing around +/- 120 nanosecond accuracy. While an ethernet packet containing NTP timestamps might well fire off an interrupt from the NIC, not only is

Re: [ntp:questions] Building FreeBSD V8.0 kernel for PPS

2010-04-14 Thread David J Taylor
Hi all again. I'm still trying to follow the instructions at:- http://blog.doylenet.net/?p=145 [] I did have to go back into sysinstall, to download and install the system sources, but after that, right up to the make buildkernel command, all had gone as described. So, what's missing, and

Re: [ntp:questions] Building FreeBSD V8.0 kernel for PPS

2010-04-14 Thread David Lord
Dave Baxter wrote: I'll try the 'build world' (Exact syntax?) thing, but perhaps this is becoming less than practical, as the machine is a P3/700 with only 256MEG of Ram, and a 15Gig drive. (A Gateway E1400, one of these... http://support.gateway.com/s/manuals/servers/eseries/8504419.pdf) I

Re: [ntp:questions] Building FreeBSD V8.0 kernel for PPS

2010-04-14 Thread David J Taylor
Hi. [] I was under the impression from prior comments that FreeBSD etc, was good for older lower power machines. But if you need turbo nutterbuster PC's to build it in the first place, just to enable PPS The kettle call's. Regards. Dave B As another datum for you, rebuilding the

Re: [ntp:questions] Building FreeBSD V8.0 kernel for PPS

2010-04-14 Thread David J Taylor
Hi As I had told it during the main OS install, not to enable remote logins, sshd and all that (as I do not intend to remote admin the thing, as I have a KVM switch between 4 machines!) I think yet another protracted full clean install would be needed to do much of that. :( I do not have

Re: [ntp:questions] Building FreeBSD V8.0 kernel for PPS

2010-04-14 Thread Dave Baxter
In article 82klvaf1h...@mid.individual.net, sn...@lordynet.org says... G8KBV wrote: So, what's missing, and where how can I get it. Anyone here know what went wrong, or do I go looking for a newbie friendly f'bsd group (not found one of those yet.) I've just downloaded the sources

Re: [ntp:questions] Building FreeBSD V8.0 kernel for PPS

2010-04-14 Thread Dave Baxter
In article hq3pem$h1...@news.eternal-september.org, david- tay...@blueyonder.co.uk.invalid says... Hi all again. I'm still trying to follow the instructions at:- http://blog.doylenet.net/?p=145 [] I did have to go back into sysinstall, to download and install the system sources, but

Re: [ntp:questions] Building FreeBSD V8.0 kernel for PPS

2010-04-14 Thread Richard B. Gilbert
Dave Baxter wrote: In article _didnrmzoqhxzlnwnz2dnuvz_q6dn...@giganews.com, rgilbert88 @comcast.net says... G8KBV wrote: In article f49920cd-8c36-4b78-94f1-1d8d5c092...@mac.com, cswi...@mac.com says... On Apr 13, 2010, at 1:40 PM, G8KBV wrote: When I 'make buildkernel KENRCONF=PPSGENERIC'

Re: [ntp:questions] Building FreeBSD V8.0 kernel for PPS

2010-04-14 Thread unruh
On 2010-04-14, David J Taylor david-tay...@blueyonder.co.uk.invalid wrote: Hi all again. I'm still trying to follow the instructions at:- http://blog.doylenet.net/?p=145 [] I did have to go back into sysinstall, to download and install the system sources, but after that, right up to the

Re: [ntp:questions] Building FreeBSD V8.0 kernel for PPS

2010-04-14 Thread David J Taylor
I am still confused as to why people recompile their kernel to put in the kernel PPS. Just use the regular ntp devices like shm and a program like gpsd to run pps from userland. I have no idea what advantages the kernel PPS provides, certainly considering the pain of recompiling the kernel. In

Re: [ntp:questions] Building FreeBSD V8.0 kernel for PPS

2010-04-14 Thread Chuck Swiger
Hi-- On Apr 14, 2010, at 9:08 AM, David J Taylor wrote: I think you are correct in your final statement, but my understanding (albeit limited) is that kernel PPS provides better performance, and is used for a very limited set of operations (possibly just timestamping the PPS signal). All

Re: [ntp:questions] Building FreeBSD V8.0 kernel for PPS

2010-04-14 Thread unruh
On 2010-04-14, Chuck Swiger cswi...@mac.com wrote: Hi-- On Apr 14, 2010, at 9:08 AM, David J Taylor wrote: I think you are correct in your final statement, but my understanding (albeit limited) is that kernel PPS provides better performance, and is used for a very limited set of operations

Re: [ntp:questions] Building FreeBSD V8.0 kernel for PPS

2010-04-14 Thread G8KBV
In article mpg.262f9241c42d4d01989...@news.btopenworld.com, s...@goes.nowhere.com says... In article _didnrmzoqhxzlnwnz2dnuvz_q6dn...@giganews.com, rgilbert88 @comcast.net says... G8KBV wrote: In article f49920cd-8c36-4b78-94f1-1d8d5c092...@mac.com, cswi...@mac.com says... On

Re: [ntp:questions] Building FreeBSD V8.0 kernel for PPS

2010-04-14 Thread Chuck Swiger
On Apr 14, 2010, at 2:15 PM, unruh wrote: On 2010-04-14, Chuck Swiger cswi...@mac.com wrote: The main point seems to be that a PPS signal should have much more reliable latency and less jitter, so when you examine the current clock and any adjustment, you can use the PPS signal offset

Re: [ntp:questions] Building FreeBSD V8.0 kernel for PPS

2010-04-14 Thread unruh
On 2010-04-15, Chuck Swiger cswi...@mac.com wrote: On Apr 14, 2010, at 2:15 PM, unruh wrote: On 2010-04-14, Chuck Swiger cswi...@mac.com wrote: The main point seems to be that a PPS signal should have much more reliable latency and less jitter, so when you examine the current clock and any

[ntp:questions] Building FreeBSD V8.0 kernel for PPS

2010-04-13 Thread G8KBV
Hi all again. I'm still trying to follow the instructions at:- http://blog.doylenet.net/?p=145 As earlier, so far so good (if after several tries, eventualy getting FreeBSD loaded and running) I'm at the stage of enabling PPS support in the kernel. But After successfully adding 'options

Re: [ntp:questions] Building FreeBSD V8.0 kernel for PPS

2010-04-13 Thread Michael Sinatra
On 4/13/10 1:40 PM, G8KBV wrote: Hi all again. I'm still trying to follow the instructions at:- http://blog.doylenet.net/?p=145 As earlier, so far so good (if after several tries, eventualy getting FreeBSD loaded and running) I'm at the stage of enabling PPS support in the kernel. But

Re: [ntp:questions] Building FreeBSD V8.0 kernel for PPS

2010-04-13 Thread Chuck Swiger
On Apr 13, 2010, at 1:40 PM, G8KBV wrote: When I 'make buildkernel KENRCONF=PPSGENERIC' Nowt happens, except a short error message to the effect that it doesnt know how to build the kernel. Err, what! That should be KERNCONF, not KENRCONF. Of course, you should provide the exact

Re: [ntp:questions] Building FreeBSD V8.0 kernel for PPS

2010-04-13 Thread G8KBV
In article f49920cd-8c36-4b78-94f1-1d8d5c092...@mac.com, cswi...@mac.com says... On Apr 13, 2010, at 1:40 PM, G8KBV wrote: When I 'make buildkernel KENRCONF=PPSGENERIC' Nowt happens, except a short error message to the effect that it doesnt know how to build the kernel. Err,

Re: [ntp:questions] Building FreeBSD V8.0 kernel for PPS

2010-04-13 Thread Chuck Swiger
On Apr 13, 2010, at 3:59 PM, G8KBV wrote: Typo on my part. In the posting AFIK. OK...although it's hard to say for sure. :-) [ ... ] I can't copy/paste from the FreeBSD machine to this one, and I have no idea how to copy paste from the command line/terminal screen, to a floppy (or

Re: [ntp:questions] Building FreeBSD V8.0 kernel for PPS

2010-04-13 Thread Richard B. Gilbert
G8KBV wrote: In article f49920cd-8c36-4b78-94f1-1d8d5c092...@mac.com, cswi...@mac.com says... On Apr 13, 2010, at 1:40 PM, G8KBV wrote: When I 'make buildkernel KENRCONF=PPSGENERIC' Nowt happens, except a short error message to the effect that it doesnt know how to build the kernel. Err,

Re: [ntp:questions] Building FreeBSD V8.0 kernel for PPS

2010-04-13 Thread David Lord
G8KBV wrote: Hi all again. I'm still trying to follow the instructions at:- http://blog.doylenet.net/?p=145 As earlier, so far so good (if after several tries, eventualy getting FreeBSD loaded and running) I'm at the stage of enabling PPS support in the kernel. But After successfully