Re: [ntp:questions] Motorola Oncore GPS as Stratum 1 source

2012-10-20 Thread Richard B. Gilbert
On 10/19/2012 11:01 PM, John Hasler wrote: Richard B. Gilbert writes: ...not all of us can afford Microsoft to read mail... And some us wouldn't use it if paid to do so. However, some MUAs such as Gnus have "format message" commands that can render such a mess readable. I'll be damned if I

Re: [ntp:questions] Motorola Oncore GPS as Stratum 1 source

2012-10-20 Thread Terje Mathisen
Rob wrote: David Woolley wrote: Rob wrote: Maybe Thunderbird can do it as well, when you enable it somewhere. Thunderbird wraps for sending and has error recovery for viewing, but displays original text as written, and places initial ">"s on that basis, when composing a reply. That sound

Re: [ntp:questions] Motorola Oncore GPS as Stratum 1 source

2012-10-20 Thread David Woolley
Rob wrote: terminals popular at the time, but today we have resizable windows and many people use proportional fonts. In such an environment, the layout of flowing text is best left to the receiver. (so it can re-flow when you make the window smaller, for example) Thunderbird has the best of

Re: [ntp:questions] Motorola Oncore GPS as Stratum 1 source

2012-10-20 Thread Rob
David Woolley wrote: > Rob wrote: > >> >> Maybe Thunderbird can do it as well, when you enable it somewhere. > > Thunderbird wraps for sending and has error recovery for viewing, but > displays original text as written, and places initial ">"s on that > basis, when composing a reply. That soun

Re: [ntp:questions] Motorola Oncore GPS as Stratum 1 source

2012-10-20 Thread David Woolley
Rob wrote: Maybe Thunderbird can do it as well, when you enable it somewhere. Thunderbird wraps for sending and has error recovery for viewing, but displays original text as written, and places initial ">"s on that basis, when composing a reply. ___

Re: [ntp:questions] Motorola Oncore GPS as Stratum 1 source

2012-10-20 Thread Rob
Richard B. Gilbert wrote: > On 10/19/2012 2:56 PM, E-Mail Sent to this address will be added to the > BlackLists wrote: >> Rick Jones wrote:> Richard B. Gilbert wrote: I suppose there's no hope of getting Microsoft to fix Office? >>> >>> I suspect that Office automagically wraps long

Re: [ntp:questions] Motorola Oncore GPS as Stratum 1 source

2012-10-19 Thread E-Mail Sent to this address will be added to the BlackLists
Richard B. Gilbert wrote: > BlackList wrote: >> Rick Jones wrote:> Richard B. Gilbert wrote: I suppose there's no hope of getting Microsoft to fix Office? >>> >>> I suspect that Office automagically wraps long lines >>> when displaying messages, meaning that in an "Office" >>> cont

Re: [ntp:questions] Motorola Oncore GPS as Stratum 1 source

2012-10-19 Thread John Hasler
Richard B. Gilbert writes: >...not all of us can afford Microsoft to read mail... And some us wouldn't use it if paid to do so. However, some MUAs such as Gnus have "format message" commands that can render such a mess readable. -- John Hasler jhas...@newsguy.com Dancing Horse Hill Elmwood, WI

Re: [ntp:questions] Motorola Oncore GPS as Stratum 1 source

2012-10-19 Thread Richard B. Gilbert
On 10/19/2012 2:56 PM, E-Mail Sent to this address will be added to the BlackLists wrote: Rick Jones wrote:> Richard B. Gilbert wrote: I suppose there's no hope of getting Microsoft to fix Office? I suspect that Office automagically wraps long lines when displaying messages, meaning that

Re: [ntp:questions] Motorola Oncore GPS as Stratum 1 source

2012-10-19 Thread E-Mail Sent to this address will be added to the BlackLists
Rick Jones wrote:> Richard B. Gilbert wrote: >> I suppose there's no hope of getting Microsoft to fix >> Office? > > I suspect that Office automagically wraps long lines > when displaying messages, meaning that in an "Office" > context there is nothing perceived to be broken. I'm certain there

Re: [ntp:questions] Motorola Oncore GPS as Stratum 1 source

2012-10-19 Thread Thomas Laus
On 2012-10-18, Mike S wrote: > re: using gold caps > > You may wish to consider rechargeable lithium cells, which will give you > a more consistent voltage than a capacitor. I'm not sure how voltage > sensitive the Oncore boards are for holding data while powered down, but > these are what Moto

Re: [ntp:questions] Motorola Oncore GPS as Stratum 1 source

2012-10-19 Thread Mike S
On 10/19/2012 8:29 AM, John Ackermann N8UR wrote: What a brave new world we live in, that we have Digikey urban legends! I went to the source, and did an online chat: Shelley ext 1396: Welcome to Digi-Key Live-Help. How may I assist you? mike: Why do all of your part numbers end in -ND? What

Re: [ntp:questions] Motorola Oncore GPS as Stratum 1 source

2012-10-19 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
On 10/18/2012 11:21 PM, Mike S wrote: On 10/18/2012 10:48 PM, A C wrote: On 10/18/2012 09:18, Mike S wrote: Look for P202-ND. I'm not sure what the "dash" suffix signifies, but it seems that Digikey ends _all_ their part numbers with the same one. ND means "No Discount". Parts that had ND d

Re: [ntp:questions] Motorola Oncore GPS as Stratum 1 source

2012-10-19 Thread David Woolley
Richard B. Gilbert wrote: On 10/18/2012 6:50 PM, Rick Jones wrote: Richard B. Gilbert wrote: That's great. I suppose there's no hope of getting Microsoft to fix Office? I suspect that Office automagically wraps long lines when displaying messages, meaning that in an "Office" context there i

Re: [ntp:questions] Motorola Oncore GPS as Stratum 1 source

2012-10-18 Thread A C
On 10/18/2012 20:21, Mike S wrote: On 10/18/2012 10:48 PM, A C wrote: On 10/18/2012 09:18, Mike S wrote: Look for P202-ND. I'm not sure what the "dash" suffix signifies, but it seems that Digikey ends _all_ their part numbers with the same one. ND means "No Discount". Parts that had ND didn

Re: [ntp:questions] Motorola Oncore GPS as Stratum 1 source

2012-10-18 Thread Richard B. Gilbert
On 10/18/2012 6:50 PM, Rick Jones wrote: Richard B. Gilbert wrote: That's great. I suppose there's no hope of getting Microsoft to fix Office? I suspect that Office automagically wraps long lines when displaying messages, meaning that in an "Office" context there is nothing perceived to be b

Re: [ntp:questions] Motorola Oncore GPS as Stratum 1 source

2012-10-18 Thread Mike S
On 10/18/2012 10:48 PM, A C wrote: On 10/18/2012 09:18, Mike S wrote: Look for P202-ND. I'm not sure what the "dash" suffix signifies, but it seems that Digikey ends _all_ their part numbers with the same one. ND means "No Discount". Parts that had ND didn't have a price break for large quan

Re: [ntp:questions] Motorola Oncore GPS as Stratum 1 source

2012-10-18 Thread A C
On 10/18/2012 09:18, Mike S wrote: On 10/18/2012 11:55 AM, Hahn, Ron wrote: I am not really understanding the full purpose of the battery but Maplin here in Ireland does not know of this BR2325. So I am now thinking that I can if possible use another 3v coin cell for this purpose. I did look

Re: [ntp:questions] Motorola Oncore GPS as Stratum 1 source

2012-10-18 Thread Mike S
re: using gold caps On 10/18/2012 5:09 PM, Ron Hahn wrote: Thank you for this kind advice. I would have not thought of such a solution. I will order some of this part from Digi Key instead of persuing the battery solution. You may wish to consider rechargeable lithium cells, which will give

Re: [ntp:questions] Motorola Oncore GPS as Stratum 1 source

2012-10-18 Thread Rick Jones
Richard B. Gilbert wrote: > That's great. I suppose there's no hope of getting Microsoft to fix > Office? I suspect that Office automagically wraps long lines when displaying messages, meaning that in an "Office" context there is nothing perceived to be broken. rick jones -- denial, anger, bar

Re: [ntp:questions] Motorola Oncore GPS as Stratum 1 source

2012-10-18 Thread Richard B. Gilbert
On 10/18/2012 5:11 PM, Ron Hahn wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 18/10/2012 21:07, Richard B. Gilbert wrote: On 10/17/2012 8:27 AM, Hahn, Ron wrote: Colleagues, I am putting together some Motorola Oncore UT+ boards to replace my Sure boards in my ntp servers. I am usin

Re: [ntp:questions] Motorola Oncore GPS as Stratum 1 source

2012-10-18 Thread Ron Hahn
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 18/10/2012 21:07, Richard B. Gilbert wrote: > On 10/17/2012 8:27 AM, Hahn, Ron wrote: >> Colleagues, >> >> I am putting together some Motorola Oncore UT+ boards to replace >> my Sure boards in my ntp servers. I am using this >> http://www.tapr.or

Re: [ntp:questions] Motorola Oncore GPS as Stratum 1 source

2012-10-18 Thread Ron Hahn
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 18/10/2012 14:22, Thomas Laus wrote: > On 2012-10-18, Thomas Laus wrote: >> Ron: >> >> I am also using this same board and made a discovery a few years >> ago that this backup battery discharges over a period of time, >> normally less than a yea

Re: [ntp:questions] Motorola Oncore GPS as Stratum 1 source

2012-10-18 Thread Richard B. Gilbert
On 10/17/2012 8:27 AM, Hahn, Ron wrote: Colleagues, I am putting together some Motorola Oncore UT+ boards to replace my Sure boards in my ntp servers. I am using this http://www.tapr.org/gps_vpib.html board as the templat for the interface circuits. The circuit calls for a BR2325 battery wh

Re: [ntp:questions] Motorola Oncore GPS as Stratum 1 source

2012-10-18 Thread Mike S
On 10/18/2012 11:55 AM, Hahn, Ron wrote: I am not really understanding the full purpose of the battery but Maplin here in Ireland does not know of this BR2325. So I am now thinking that I can if possible use another 3v coin cell for this purpose. I did look on the Digi Key web site and the num

Re: [ntp:questions] Motorola Oncore GPS as Stratum 1 source

2012-10-18 Thread Hahn, Ron
-Original Message- From: questions-bounces+ron.hahn=fmr@lists.ntp.org [mailto:questions-bounces+ron.hahn=fmr@lists.ntp.org] On Behalf Of Thomas Laus Sent: 18 October 2012 14:10 To: questions@lists.ntp.org Subject: Re: [ntp:questions] Motorola Oncore GPS as Stratum 1 source On

Re: [ntp:questions] Motorola Oncore GPS as Stratum 1 source

2012-10-18 Thread Hahn, Ron
-Original Message- From: Mike S [mailto:mi...@flatsurface.com] Sent: 18 October 2012 13:14 To: Hahn, Ron Cc: questions@lists.ntp.org Subject: Re: [ntp:questions] Motorola Oncore GPS as Stratum 1 source On 10/17/2012 8:27 AM, Hahn, Ron wrote: > The circuit calls for a BR2325 batt

Re: [ntp:questions] Motorola Oncore GPS as Stratum 1 source

2012-10-18 Thread Thomas Laus
On 2012-10-18, Thomas Laus wrote: > Ron: > > I am also using this same board and made a discovery a few years ago > that this backup battery discharges over a period of time, normally > less than a year and is not available when 'really' needing it. There > is a battery charging current available

Re: [ntp:questions] Motorola Oncore GPS as Stratum 1 source

2012-10-18 Thread Thomas Laus
On 2012-10-17, Hahn, Ron wrote: > Colleagues, > > I am putting together some Motorola Oncore UT+ boards to replace my > Sure boards in my ntp servers. I am using this > http://www.tapr.org/gps_vpib.html board as the templat for the > interface circuits. The circuit calls for a BR2325 battery whi

Re: [ntp:questions] Motorola Oncore GPS as Stratum 1 source

2012-10-18 Thread Mike S
On 10/17/2012 8:27 AM, Hahn, Ron wrote: The circuit calls for a BR2325 battery which I cannot find in the local parts store. Looking at the docs for that board, it is not properly documented. If you look for the given Digikey part number (P202-NC -> P202-ND) It appears that it actually uses a

Re: [ntp:questions] Motorola Oncore GPS as Stratum 1 source

2012-10-17 Thread E-Mail Sent to this address will be added to the BlackLists
Hahn, Ron wrote: > ... circuit calls for a BR2325 battery which I cannot > find in the local parts store. ? -- E-Mail Sent to this address will be added to the BlackLists. ___ questions mai

Re: [ntp:questions] Motorola Oncore GPS as Stratum 1 source

2012-10-17 Thread David Lord
Hahn, Ron wrote: Colleagues, I am putting together some Motorola Oncore UT+ boards to replace my Sure boards in my ntp servers. I am using this http://www.tapr.org/gps_vpib.html board as the templat for the interface circuits. The circuit calls for a BR2325 battery which I cannot find in the l

[ntp:questions] Motorola Oncore GPS as Stratum 1 source

2012-10-17 Thread Hahn, Ron
Colleagues, I am putting together some Motorola Oncore UT+ boards to replace my Sure boards in my ntp servers. I am using this http://www.tapr.org/gps_vpib.html board as the templat for the interface circuits. The circuit calls for a BR2325 battery which I cannot find in the local parts store