Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Squeezebox 7.4.2 - what the HELL Logitech?

2010-02-23 Thread eap
Where is a definitive and full list of all of the fixes for 7.4.2? I see this list, but there is not one word of alarms that everyone is talking about (so why is it assumed that there are bugfixes regarding alarms in this version): http://svn.slimdevices.com/repos/slim/7.4/trunk/server/Changelog

Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Squeezebox 7.4.2 - what the HELL Logitech?

2010-02-23 Thread jmpage2
Okay, shut down, rebooted and it wanted to update firmware again and this time was successful. Now will have to hope that the various alarm annoyances are resolved. -- jmpage2 jmpage2's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.

Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Squeezebox 7.4.2 - what the HELL Logitech?

2010-02-23 Thread tcutting
Go ahead and shut down (may have to remove power though)... it downloads first before it performs install. I've found this happens often on firmware upgrades - but, if you do full turn-off, then turn-on before performing upgrade it works fine. -- tcutting ---

Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Squeezebox 7.4.2 - what the HELL Logitech?

2010-02-23 Thread jmpage2
bluegaspode;519957 Wrote: > 1kwh in germany costs about 0.20(Euro)Cent, so 0.27(US)Cent. > So much for 'cheap' ;) ... > > Anyway - jmpage - SB-Server 7.4.2 (final) is available for download > already so it should be soon pushed via MySB.com too (if not done so > already). > Your biggest alarm w

Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Squeezebox 7.4.2 - what the HELL Logitech?

2010-02-23 Thread eap
jmpage2;519958 Wrote: > Yes, by all means Logitech should stop selling to people that aren't > computer geniuses because they haven't implemented basic internal alarm > capabilities in the SB Radio that aren't dependent on an external server > "helping" the alarm to function properly. > > Brilli

Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Squeezebox 7.4.2 - what the HELL Logitech?

2010-02-23 Thread bluegaspode
jmpage2;519932 Wrote: > You are continuing to miss the point. No one should need to leave a > computer on 24X7 for an *alarm clock* to work reliably! > 1kwh in germany costs about 0.20(Euro)Cent, so 0.27(US)Cent. So much for 'cheap' ;) ... Anyway - jmpage - SB-Server 7.4.2 (final) is availab

Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Squeezebox 7.4.2 - what the HELL Logitech?

2010-02-23 Thread jmpage2
aubuti;519953 Wrote: > Then they should get the $5 alarm clock. > > Until recently my $20 travel alarm clock sat right next to my SB Radio, > and that's what I used for alarms because that's what I preferred, even > though the SB alarm works fine for me. Yes, by all means Logitech should stop

Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Squeezebox 7.4.2 - what the HELL Logitech?

2010-02-23 Thread aubuti
jmpage2;519932 Wrote: > I do run a server 24X7 but my parents, brother, sister and 99% of my > friends have absolutely no interesting in doing this just so that they > know they can wake up reliably in the morning when a $5 alarm clock is > perfectly capable of doing the same job. Then they shoul

Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Squeezebox 7.4.2 - what the HELL Logitech?

2010-02-23 Thread jmpage2
eap;519910 Wrote: > 40 watts x 16 hours x 365 days = 233.6 KillowattHours (KwH) > > 233.6 x $.10 (I'll give you 10 cents per KwH which is a lot) = $23.00 > per year. I'm not gonna cry over $23.00 a year (do you unplug your a/v > receivers and TVs at night)? They eat up electricity doing nothin

Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Squeezebox 7.4.2 - what the HELL Logitech?

2010-02-23 Thread Aslak3
eap;519692 Wrote: > Its not that you leave a computer on 24/7 in order to have a reliable > alarm clock, its that typical use of a computer could (nay, even should) > contemplate 24/7 hour use of that computer. So the alarm clock is then > just a bonus you get on top of that. I had my computer

Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Squeezebox 7.4.2 - what the HELL Logitech?

2010-02-23 Thread eap
jmpage2;519899 Wrote: > eap, > > You are just way out in left (right?) field with this one. 99% of the > computers made in the last few years have energy settings that put them > into a hibernate mode after a few minutes of inactivity. > > My iMac hibernates perfectly and when hibernating uses

Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Squeezebox 7.4.2 - what the HELL Logitech?

2010-02-23 Thread Muele
jmpage2, eap: You are not on the same page ;) There are errors in 7.4.1 with regards to alarm stability. It has been dealt with in 7.4.2. Forget about running a server just for the alarm. Run it for other reasons. -- Muele BR Mogens 1 Radio, 2 Controllers, 2 Receivers, 1 Squeezeplay. Served

Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Squeezebox 7.4.2 - what the HELL Logitech?

2010-02-23 Thread jmpage2
eap, You are just way out in left (right?) field with this one. 99% of the computers made in the last few years have energy settings that put them into a hibernate mode after a few minutes of inactivity. My iMac hibernates perfectly and when hibernating uses about 3W of power. It takes only a

Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Squeezebox 7.4.2 - what the HELL Logitech?

2010-02-23 Thread eap
jmpage2;519859 Wrote: > I hope people realize that they are basically advising people to buy or > re-purpose a computer to leave on 24X7 and spend $50-$200 a year in > electric costs just to get an alarm to function reliably? > > It would almost be comical if it wasn't so asinine. > > I'm sure

Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Squeezebox 7.4.2 - what the HELL Logitech?

2010-02-23 Thread jmpage2
I hope people realize that they are basically advising people to buy or re-purpose a computer to leave on 24X7 and spend $50-$200 a year in electric costs just to get an alarm to function reliably? It would almost be comical if it wasn't so asinine. I'm sure that the majority of SB Radio owners

Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Squeezebox 7.4.2 - what the HELL Logitech?

2010-02-23 Thread iPhone
Off Topic: Can power be a concern, sure it can depending on where one lives. So build/buy an Atom based Vortexbox Server so you can leave it on 24/7/365 for under 50 Bucks a year (less then $25 in most places). Or do a SheevaPlug and get down to $10 to $15 a year for 24/7/365. Of course with a l

Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Squeezebox 7.4.2 - what the HELL Logitech?

2010-02-23 Thread eap
david_f1976;519778 Wrote: > Not at all. He said re-purposing an old desktop computer. I used to have > an Athlon XP-based machine as my headless server with unused devices > disabled in the BIOS. It drew over 90 W at idle Well that's like using a 1950s car and comparing the gas mileage to today'

Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Squeezebox 7.4.2 - what the HELL Logitech?

2010-02-23 Thread david_f1976
eap;519768 Wrote: > Hogwash. I bet those figures include the monitor. Generally 50% of the > wattage is easily tamed by sleeping your monitor. And modern hard > drives and processors and video cards generally ramp down when not in > use. Not at all. He said re-purposing an old desktop comput

Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Squeezebox 7.4.2 - what the HELL Logitech?

2010-02-23 Thread toby10
dsdreamer;519702 Wrote: > I used to think computer power consumption was nothing to be concerned > about as well, but PG&E (Pacific Gas and Electricity) made me change my > mind. > > Tier 1 (Baseline)$0.11877 > Tier 2 (101-130% of baseline) $0.13502 > Tier 3 (131-200% o

Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Squeezebox 7.4.2 - what the HELL Logitech?

2010-02-23 Thread eap
dsdreamer;519702 Wrote: > I used to think computer power consumption was nothing to be concerned > about as well, but PG&E (Pacific Gas and Electricity) made me change my > mind. > > Tier 1 (Baseline)$0.11877 > Tier 2 (101-130% of baseline) $0.13502 > Tier 3 (131-200% o

Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Squeezebox 7.4.2 - what the HELL Logitech?

2010-02-23 Thread bluegaspode
Mnyb;519715 Wrote: > Post 7.4.2 radio will also support WOL (wake on lan) with alarms, this > will make everybody happy. > Um - did you really check thats it is doing like you write ? I know that Ben checked in code to do so (and I also see it beeing there). Alas - MY radio nevertheless isn't s

Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Squeezebox 7.4.2 - what the HELL Logitech?

2010-02-22 Thread Mnyb
Post 7.4.2 radio will also support WOL (wake on lan) with alarms, this will make everybody happy. If you are using a local server, it will work just like the BOOM. A WOl command is issued 10 minutes before the alarm so if your server supports WOL It would come out of sleep or boot up depending on

Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Squeezebox 7.4.2 - what the HELL Logitech?

2010-02-22 Thread jmpage2
eap;519648 Wrote: > Well just because some people have issues doesn't mean its the radio > (could be the user or the user's network). > > What bugs have you experienced that are definitively the software or > the hardware of the radio? > > I'm still convinced most people would not have issues

Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Squeezebox 7.4.2 - what the HELL Logitech?

2010-02-22 Thread Marc
eap;519692 Wrote: > Its not that you leave a computer on 24/7 in order to have a reliable > alarm clock, its that typical use of a computer could (nay, even should) > contemplate 24/7 hour use of that computer. So the alarm clock is then > just a bonus you get on top of that. I had my computer

Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Squeezebox 7.4.2 - what the HELL Logitech?

2010-02-22 Thread dsdreamer
eap;519692 Wrote: > > I am stunned at the apparent stubborn unwillingness of many here to > spend a relatively small amount of money towards electrical costs (which > would be many times less than a squeezebox over the course of a year), > in order to have the convenience of on the demand Intern

Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Squeezebox 7.4.2 - what the HELL Logitech?

2010-02-22 Thread tcutting
There is at least one long thread of interplay between a couple of users and developer(s) on ongoing "fixes" for the Radio alarm reliability. Those changes were being incorporated into v7.4.2 and v7.5 of Squeezecenter, and into the corresponding Radio firmware. http://forums.slimdevices.com/show

Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Squeezebox 7.4.2 - what the HELL Logitech?

2010-02-22 Thread eap
bluegaspode;519652 Wrote: > While this is true, I don't think leaving on your computer 24/7 is a > thing most people want to do, just to have a reliable alarm clock. > And alarm reliability is at its worse with 7.4.1 (of you don't run a > 24/7 server). > > Its not that you leave a computer on

Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Squeezebox 7.4.2 - what the HELL Logitech?

2010-02-22 Thread breakfastchef
Honestly, I am not sure what the problems are for the OP, but, for me, I have been unable to connect to TSFJazz from Paris since the 7.4.x iteration of the SqueezeNetwork (or whatever it is called this month). It is really irritating to receive an error message for a radio station that I could eas

Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Squeezebox 7.4.2 - what the HELL Logitech?

2010-02-22 Thread squishy
The truth no doubt lies somewhere in between. But to me, the number of issues threads on this forum (alarm failures, no sound whilst playing, mySB connectivity etc) can really only be viewed in two ways: [1] The software isn't yet mature enough to have ironed out all the bugs - even one or two fu

Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Squeezebox 7.4.2 - what the HELL Logitech?

2010-02-22 Thread 0xdeadbeef
There -are- severe issues with the radio. The alarm was completely unreliable until a few weeks ago or so when the most serious server bugs were finally fixed after ignoring and denying them for the last 4 months. Still, even now, the radio stops playing after a random time now and then without an

Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Squeezebox 7.4.2 - what the HELL Logitech?

2010-02-22 Thread bluegaspode
eap;519648 Wrote: > I'm still convinced most people would not have issues (or very minimal > issues) if they would just leave a computer on 24/7 dang it (who doesn't > want on demand email, web surfing, without waiting for a computer to > boot), and let it run squeezebox server. Seems like most

Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Squeezebox 7.4.2 - what the HELL Logitech?

2010-02-22 Thread eap
jmpage2;519615 Wrote: > See, I didn't realize that since you don't have issues there is nothing > wrong with the SB Radio. Well just because some people have issues doesn't mean its the radio (could be the user or the user's network). -- eap ---

Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Squeezebox 7.4.2 - what the HELL Logitech?

2010-02-22 Thread Phil Leigh
jmpage2;519615 Wrote: > See, I didn't realize that since you don't have issues there is nothing > wrong with the SB Radio. And now you know. -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal... SB Touch Beta (wired) - TACT 2.2X (L

Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Squeezebox 7.4.2 - what the HELL Logitech?

2010-02-22 Thread jwagner010
Please be true. 7.4.2 this week would be a dream. -- jwagner010 jwagner010's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=29405 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=75541 _

Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Squeezebox 7.4.2 - what the HELL Logitech?

2010-02-22 Thread andyg
Yep we are trying to get 7.4.2 out in the next day or so. And of course, you could have been running 7.4.2 manually for months now, if you were suffering from any bugs in 7.4.1. -- andyg andyg's Profile: http://forums.sli

Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Squeezebox 7.4.2 - what the HELL Logitech?

2010-02-22 Thread iPhone
bluegaspode;519637 Wrote: > One developer said 7.4.2 will be released at least this week. It was AndyG see this 'Thread' (http://forums.slimdevices.com/showpost.php?p=519586&postcount=3) -- iPhone *iPhone* Media Room: Transporter, VTL TL-6.5 Signature Pre-Amp, Ayre MX-R Mono's, VeraStarr

Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Squeezebox 7.4.2 - what the HELL Logitech?

2010-02-22 Thread bluegaspode
jmpage2;519480 Wrote: > It has been FOUR MONTHS that we've been waiting on a dot dot sub-release > of code for this radio? Does this mean we get to wait EIGHT MORE MONTHS > after 7.4.2 is released before we get the numerous fixes pushed to > version 7.5? One developer said 7.4.2 will be released

Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Squeezebox 7.4.2 - what the HELL Logitech?

2010-02-22 Thread jmpage2
See, I didn't realize that since you don't have issues there is nothing wrong with the SB Radio. -- jmpage2 jmpage2's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=41 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.

Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Squeezebox 7.4.2 - what the HELL Logitech?

2010-02-22 Thread eap
jmpage2;519480 Wrote: > So, > > I installed Squeezebox Server 7.4.1 in October right after getting my > Squeezebox radio. I wrote a pretty nice review for the SB Radio over at > Amazon and did point out that there were absolutely some software > glitches and it wasn't too shocking, the nice peo

Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Squeezebox 7.4.2 - what the HELL Logitech?

2010-02-22 Thread squishy
Feisty. Sadly, I totally agree with your sentiments. After much digging/testing/tweaking etc, I have a radio that seems to be behaving itself - but there are some aspects of usability that drive me nuts. Some can be eased with third party apps (kudos Erland et al) but sadly this only adds weight

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