Hey thanks. If you all do that again maybe I can make it by.
- The other Brian.
On Friday, February 1, 2013 1:31:05 PM UTC-8, Rob wrote:
Great stuff Brian! Wow--clearly I am at the very beginning of learning how
to do this. There's a whole group on Flickr! People are amazing.
And your wrap
Something weird happened. I wasn't so big on the 2TT. Now for a month I've been
riding my parallel TT, double TT Hunqapillar.
I was home and walked by the single TT 60 cm Hillborne sitting in my entrance
hall. As I walked by, I subconsciously thought, something looks funny on that
bike with
I am 62 and I don't get it :)
On Saturday, February 2, 2013 2:52:22 AM UTC-8, James Warren wrote:
Something weird happened. I wasn't so big on the 2TT. Now for a month I've
been riding my parallel TT, double TT Hunqapillar.
I was home and walked by the single TT 60 cm Hillborne sitting in
On Sat, 2013-02-02 at 02:52 -0800, James Warren wrote:
Another generation-gappy thing: youngsters and old folks embrace the
functionality of double sloping top tubes, yet crotchety middle agers
still hold out.
What functionality would that be? Excessive top tube stiffness?
And when does
Yes !!! I love the* sloping *parallel 2 TT's !
Not only is the Bombadil a wonderful frame ... but the added bonus of the
2TT for me is making it easier to lift and work on my bike in my non
adjustable Park workstand !!
I wonder if many people pass by a 2TT frame that they don't assume
On Saturday, February 2, 2013 8:11:43 AM UTC-5, Steve Palincsar wrote:
What functionality would that be? Excessive top tube stiffness?
Excessive TT stiffness ? Not at all and never, from this owners
perspective :) I consider the Bomba Perfect !! an absolutely perfect
balance
I also appreciate the parallel 2TT Bombadil.I was sold on the
aesthetics as soon as it was introduced, but came to appreciate it even
more after having ridden it.Handles great as an unloaded MTB, yet is
especially nice when loaded for camping. I can be pretty careless about
load
A couple months ago I bent my rear derailler. Brought it to the LBS
and was told I could bend it back, but would most likely need a new
one - this being Israel, $80 for low end Shimano. I bent it back, LBS
adjusted it the best they could and sent me off with a warning
DON'T USE THE SMALLEST COG OR
On the bright side, I did manage to adjust my brakes, front and back,
and replace the pads.
Also, I'm pretty sure the old derailler was fine. I replaced the too
long screw holding my rack on, which I suspect was the issue all
along.
Haaarumph
Jay
On Feb 2, 4:22 pm, Jay in Tel Aviv
It sounds like the Winter
Pelicanhttp://shop.boxdogbikes.com/collections/frames/products/frame-road-box-dog-bikes-pelican-winterby
Box
Dog Bikes http://shop.boxdogbikes.com/ is a great fit for you. It pretty
much hits every bullet point of yours - fillet brazed, under $2,000. It
also has
Glad to know I'm not the only one who's ever spent totally inappropriate
amounts of time setting derailer limits. Amateur mechanic solidarity!
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Give Jack Franklin a call. He's in Ohio. He's a one man operation. Frame
building, repairing, painting etc. His experience is vast, 35 plus years
in the biz. He can build about anything... and well and without the
boutique price tags.
http://home.windstream.net/franklinframe/
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I'm not a little guy, and, I tend to overpack, and, sometimes, don't use
due finesse over roughish sections.
So, I could understand and appreciate and wanted the 2TT when I initially
ordered a Bombadil to be a camping bike.
However, when the diaga-tube version was introduced, I called up
I have a double TT 56 Hillborne.
Was a fan of the 2xTT when I bought it, but wouldn't want another bike with
a double top tube now.
This is because mine fractured from the head tube whilst riding up an
embankment. (downtube fractured too)
I have no scientific basis to believe the fracture has
DIY is a great way to learn, but it sure does take alot of time for us
non-pros.
I'll never forget wrestling with centerpull brakes to get them adjusted.
Or the Longboard fenders.
But now things go quicker since I sorta know how to work them.
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The first time I ever went into the Rivendell shop, Grant let me ride
3 Rambouilets...and I commented how dramatic the increase on stability
was as the size of the bike went up.
His analogy was comparing the difference between writing with a pen
when the leak cap was on the top of the pen, and
Been there and know the feeling, Mazel tov.
On Saturday, February 2, 2013 6:22:16 AM UTC-8, Jay in Tel Aviv wrote:
A couple months ago I bent my rear derailler. Brought it to the LBS
and was told I could bend it back, but would most likely need a new
one - this being Israel, $80 for low end
On Feb 1, 2013, at 10:10 PM, Jim M. mather...@gmail.com wrote:
On Friday, February 1, 2013 8:14:49 AM UTC-8, Edwin W wrote:
Wow. 12 bikes owned by practical riders. Who bike every day. And I am
assuming often at night during the winter.
And not one dynamo set up?
Because they are
That's how we all learned... Watching the mechanic makes it seem so
easy... Then you start, and all of a sudden it's not. Over time it'll
become easy.
Kol Hakavod!
René
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Nice, but aren't the locals going to look at you funny? I thought kids in
Thailand just rode side-saddle where ever they can fit.
-Allan
On Thursday, January 31, 2013 11:52:34 AM UTC-8, Earl Grey wrote:
The main purpose of this bike will be as my wife's daily short-distance
commuter and one
That's one great looking bike, and awesome lugs, especially that seat tube
lug is very ornate.
They should do cream headtubes on those bikes.
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On Friday, February 1, 2013 10:39:33 PM UTC-8, Anne Paulson wrote:
The part on the other side of Mt. Hamilton is plenty interesting. Flat?
Well...
I think this quote from Grant is apropos: You're going riding with Manny?
Good luck. He delights in underestimating the gruel factor
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On Saturday, February 2, 2013 5:11:43 AM UTC-8, Steve Palincsar wrote:
What functionality would that be? Excessive top tube stiffness?
Yes, Steve, we know your negative opinion of double TT since you take every
opportunity to denigrate the design. But I don't recall you ever saying
you've
Forget the 2TT, I'm gonna get my frame pump painted Sam green and go 3TT.
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Come now. If snarkiness is bad one way, it is bad the other way. Let's
keep this clean. If we can have routine ecstatic praise of 2 tts, we
can have even routine questioning of them.
On Sat, Feb 2, 2013 at 10:19 AM, Jim M. mather...@gmail.com wrote:
On Saturday, February 2, 2013 5:11:43 AM
I was so ignorant when I built my first bike that I assembled a
combination that would accept no rim brake known to mankind. (I rode
it without brakes except for shoe between fork blades. I later added
a coaster brake but the gearing was so high (more ignorance) that it
didn't do anything unless I
ahahaahahhaa
like ... why question light bulbs when candles worked so well !! ;)
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Both are becoming tediously repetitive; it's approaching rake trail,
speed shimmy, and helmets.
One could ask what the point of lugs is, too. Most of their benefit is
theoretical. I don't know anyone who's broken a TIG'd frame, but
they're bland looking. Grant wanted to make some stuff
The 2TT seems to work on my Bombadil. Would the bike the the same without
it. I don't know as I haven't cut it off to find out. Is it an antiquated
design? (candles vs light bulbs) I doubt it as it does show remarkable
differences to me when loaded with 70lbs compared to other single top
On Sat, 2013-02-02 at 09:19 -0800, Jim M. wrote:
On Saturday, February 2, 2013 5:11:43 AM UTC-8, Steve Palincsar wrote:
What functionality would that be? Excessive top tube
stiffness?
Yes, Steve, we know your negative opinion of double TT since you take
On Sat, Feb 2, 2013 at 10:33 AM, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote:
And you then know exactly how I feel about excessive stiffness. Do you
dispute that double top tubes would increase the stiffness of the top
tube?
I don't dispute that double tt adds stiffness. What I dispute is you
A quick question for those with experience. Just got my R14 from a list
member, set it up, and plopped my saddlesack large on top. This morning I
did my usual grocery run to Trader Joe's, loaded the saddlesack, and tested
for wiggle with the rack. I knew there'd be some, but I'm wondering if I
Nope, Steve, you've captured the functionality completely. You like 2TTs
for loaded touring bikes and hate them for light roadish/randoish bikes.
It's unfair for people to label you as a universal 2TT denier, because you
aren't. You like the 2TT for touring bikes, as do I. You like more
It's a pretty flexy rack. Beeswax the bolts and use a proper lockwasher
and you'll be fine in my opinion.
On Saturday, February 2, 2013 10:41:38 AM UTC-8, Scot Brooks wrote:
A quick question for those with experience. Just got my R14 from a list
member, set it up, and plopped my
Crap! My work is shut-down that week so I could have gone, but I have a
dentist appointment on Thursday the 21st. I'll try to pull a couple
strings
On Friday, February 1, 2013 10:17:42 PM UTC-8, Manuel Acosta wrote:
Mike asked me about a s240 trip to Mt.Ham. Taking Will's suggestion.
On Sat, 2013-02-02 at 10:41 -0800, Jim Mather wrote:
On Sat, Feb 2, 2013 at 10:33 AM, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote:
And you then know exactly how I feel about excessive stiffness. Do you
dispute that double top tubes would increase the stiffness of the top
tube?
I don't
I enjoy the 2TT on my Hillborne and don't find the frame excessively
stiff whatever that means but I currently weigh 257 lbs. and am almost at
the limit of the frame intended weight limit. A more flexy frame might
shimmy or feel noodle-ish to me so I welcome it. I'm primarily a road rider
and
Keep on eye on them ... but they likely won't do much but sit there and
look at you What U lookin' at ?lol ahahahahaha
I've not had any bolts move on the Two Strut one or Mark's .
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On Saturday, February 2, 2013 10:54:00 AM UTC-8, charlie wrote:
I enjoy the 2TT on my Hillborne and don't find the frame excessively
stiff whatever that means but I currently weigh 257 lbs. and am almost at
the limit of the frame intended
Double Dave Yeah !!!
I'm so appreciative that Grant has the balls to do the 2 TT thing. So
much of bike design is Human see-Human Copy. Flat TT's are another old
school thing. See-copy-see-copy.There's lots of ways to make frames
! Just do it Grant ... just keep doing it !
That stands for 2-wall-thermos. To change the subject, someone told
me about these and they look quite promising. I hate drinking water
that is 34*F on a 32* ride. These are reasonably priced, all steel
except for the top, which is a pop-up sippy spout. I've got several
coming.
Whoops -- looks like it was Leslie of this list who pointed them out.
Oh well. A little repetition isn't bad, and certainly not unusual.
On Sat, Feb 2, 2013 at 12:05 PM, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote:
That stands for 2-wall-thermos. To change the subject, someone told
me about these
I'm transferring my rear rack from a Rambouillet to an Atlantis and I had
cut the stays too short.
If you have a set you would want to sell please let me know.
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On Saturday, February 2, 2013 10:52:18 AM UTC-8, Steve Palincsar wrote:
too-stiff design *isn't going to make it better for me*.
Thank you, those are the words I was looking for. I'll buy you a beer next
time you're in the neighborhood and we can argue whether West Coast IPAs
are too
I attach my R-14 on the Atlantis using the upper (mid-stay) braze-ons,
which keeps them shorter and stiffer (IMO). Used beeswax and the split
washer to keep the pressure on the screw (can't remember their proper name
in English) and never had a problem with stiffness or bolts coming loose.
René
Too hoppy?! Nearly impossible.
Now THERE's an O/T post I can get into! Now we just need to mull over
whether or not a helmet is needed...
(OK, now I'm just blatantly trolling...)
On 2/2/2013 11:32 AM, Jim M. wrote:
On Saturday, February 2, 2013 10:52:18 AM UTC-8, Steve Palincsar wrote:
Cannot make a mid-week ride like that at this time, even if I was fit
enough to complete it. But I'll be very interested in reading the report
and seeing the photos that will prove it took place...
I'm still working on a weekend S24O in the not too distant future... and on
a weekend.
René
On
I learned some new techniques for BW conversions the other day and
tried them out on this photo taken on the Great Allegheny Passage:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/97916047@N00/7107713635/in/set-72157629882288771#/photos/97916047@N00/8439218788/in/set-72157629882288771/lightbox/
That was a great
I'm in, subject to the weather not being too crappy.
On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 10:17 PM, Manuel Acosta
manueljohnaco...@hotmail.com wrote:
Mike asked me about a s240 trip to Mt.Ham. Taking Will's suggestion. Trying
to give enough notice so that people can actually come to these things.
Hosting a
In starting this thread, I wanted to share that my tastes for the aesthetics
have changed. I used to think 2TT looked funny. Now it's getting to be the
other way around. Purely aesthetic considerations, no claims about
function-based design or engineering, were the implication.
I was amused
The VO Polyvalent fails desideratum (d).
Alex
On Sat, Feb 2, 2013 at 4:42 PM, cbone97 cbon...@gmail.com wrote:
Is the Velo Orange Polyvalent too obvious or inexpensive? Currently
20 percent off during V.O.'s move. I'm building one up with many Riv
parts and believe it's gonna be a dandy.
I kinda suspect that 90% of the 2TT is because Grant thought it would look
cool, with a side benefit that it would distinguish current Rivs from older
Rivs and most competitor frames. You can attribute various functions to the
extra tube, but, as the preceding discussion demonstrates, most are
I use shorter rack screws, lock washers and red loctite. Haven't lost
one yet.
On Feb 2, 3:27 pm, dougP dougpn...@cox.net wrote:
I replaced the too long screw holding my rack on, which I suspect was the
issue all
along.
My observation is that with 11 12 tooth small cogs, there is little
I have always liked the the two top tube design. As much for the
aesthetics as for any added stiffness.
Since stiffness was mentioned, guess I'm one of those riders who do not
find a Rivendell overly stiff. The little bit I've ridden on normal tube
bikes in the last 30 plus years have not been
Wait a second here.Grant didnt invent the 2TT frame design. IIRC,
there are older model bikes Id say from the early 20th century and some
80s era MTBs with 2TT. Im sure the 2TT has some functionality to it. I
doubt framemakers in the early 1900's thought it looked cool. Grant just
What Mike Chris said: Box Dog
Pelicanhttp://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/8419780303/.
I *believe *they have some of the previous Tigged versions on sale as
well.
But either version is a good bike, lining up with all your needs/wants.
On Sat, Feb 2, 2013 at 12:58 PM,
The 2TT seems to be spreading...
http://bikesdirect.com/products/mercier/kilott_os.htm
Pretty wild to see something like that from the folks over at BD.
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You guys are missing a crucial benefit of the undertube -- it's so much
easier to carry my bicycle than with a single top tube that's higher up.
Doesn't make sense for people who are exclusively roadies or for folks that
don't carry bikes up and down stairs. To me, the convenience of an
double Top Tube Summertime goodness:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/amisingh/7721975614/
double Top Tube Sacramento goodness:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/amisingh/8384155840/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/amisingh/8383070527/
On Saturday, 2 February 2013 18:04:02 UTC-5, Amit Singh wrote:
You
Twin top tubes have been popular on working bikes in Mexico and other
developing countries. I suspect that there is a simple engineering
reason for this: Many riders use the bike as a cart, by loading huge
loads onto the top tube and then wheeling the bike, since the load
prevents the rider from
I lost the email, but I have some for postage if he is still interested and
will reply off list.
Patrick Moore
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I haven't tried the Vittoria, but I have used the Challenge Grifo XS, which
has a similar file tread, plus some small knobs on the shoulders:
http://www.challengetech.it/products/cyclocross/grifo-xs-open-020/en
They are fantastic tires. Think of them as a faster rolling Jack Brown with
a bit
Took the train to Suisun City, then rode back to Davis via Wooden Valley,
Cardiac, and Winters.
Photos here:
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Enjoy!
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Top tubes greatly stiffen the frame. Large people carrying heavy loads on
big bikes makes good sense. If any one of those qualifiers goes away you
have an unnecessarily stiff frame. Lively frames is where it's at for road
feel and ridding enjoyment (that why we ride steel frames). at 6 1 and
Since we are talkin' double TT's:
Grant needs to get with a bike pump company and design a working,
detachable, lower toptube/frame pump-in-one.
Pop it in and outta da lugs when you need to inflate your tire.
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Isn't most of this here say and conjecture? Seems like some people like
them and some don't but for people to preach on high like they are correct
about stiffness and ride quality when those are both largely opinions thus
far seems presumptive. Any actual empirical data on the issue of stiffness
Nice!
-JimD
On Feb 2, 2013, at 12:13 PM, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote:
I learned some new techniques for BW conversions the other day and
tried them out on this photo taken on the Great Allegheny Passage:
'twas me They fit in my Iris cages (the ones by King that look like
this: http://www.kingcage.com/assets/img/Cage3.jpg )
Thing I like about the Iris cage, is it's a bit springy, can hold it, or a
Klean Kanteen..
Hope you like them as much as I do
-L
On Saturday, February 2,
On Friday, February 1, 2013 10:50:55 AM UTC-5, ttoshi wrote:
Having ridden the Ram in the 700c and 650b wheel sizes, there is a
definite effect on the handling, but I didn't notice much with the
steering.
I think the 650b Ram is interesting because nobody would design a 650b
bike with a
Hey Group, Up for sale is a used 61cm AHH F/F/HS/BB. Its Toyo built, if
that means anything. Repainted Butterscotch. Its 'creamier' in life than
in the photos. definitely used, never abused. It has some paint chips
here an there that i covered with nail polish. Some chainsuck chips
Not hearsay, not conjecture! I wrote much of what Jan and tdusky said, and
I am sure Jim is right about the allure of being a little different in the
marketplace, but it does have a history and an engineering justification.
Not to mention an aesthetic justification. It's got a fine Dutch/Roadster
Im of course in Manny lets just hope for some decent weather! thanks
for setting it up man!its gonna be great. -Mike
On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 10:17 PM, Manuel Acosta manueljohnaco...@hotmail.com
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Mike asked me about a s240 trip to Mt.Ham. Taking Will's suggestion.
Trying to
For the record, i have owned both a single TT AHH and the double TT
Bombadil and didn't really notice any significant difference in flex or
stiffness but I ride 56-59cm frames so maybe size has something to do with
it, or maybe I am just a slob that doesnt notice these things, haha. I
think the
First, I've bought loctite in blue bottles.
Second: I once used red loctite on a fixed cog. Then I wanted to get
it off. I didn't know about heat. It wouldn't budge. So I put that cog
in a vise and twisted hard -- danmed hard! The cog (a Dura Ace)
finally shattered, leaving up-and-down
Uh oh. I gave another thought to this. It sounds absolutely great, but
I'm afraid that the daylight would end well before my 85 mile, 7000
feet of climbing second day of riding, loaded, including dirt, would
end. But you guys have a good time! It sounds great, and indeed the
views are spectacular.
I'm using threadless, and the bars may be about 1 cm lower than on my other
bikes, but that, in combination with the 2.5 cm shorter top tube may be the
largest difference. I don't know what a 1 degree difference in the head
tube and seat tube will make. Right now I'm using Schwalbe Kojak tires.
Meisha's Foy paint is absolutely beautiful. What a beautiful color.
Looks like the big guns are using non-riv-site
tires...panaracer...kojacs...etc.
Maybe testing for new tire types to sell? And what's up with those fender
lines??
Cool bikes all around...except for Sean's upside down
oh and Manny, this might be a great time to try out that new Dynowheel
you were thinking of getting
On Sat, Feb 2, 2013 at 6:38 PM, Michael Williams
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Im of course in Manny lets just hope for some decent weather!
thanks for setting it up man!its gonna
Maybe this is America where you are free to not believe in God or religion
and even mock them openly,it's what makes us different from Iran. If I
would have to guess looks like a sticker for an anarcho punk band. Don't
judge, I love the look of a younger person using his ride to express
himself.
What do you think the purpose of the little bit of wrap/twine on the top
tube is on sean's bike (looks like jenny has one on her 2TT)?
On Friday, February 1, 2013 12:01:38 AM UTC-5, Jim M. wrote:
A new page with staff bikes: http://www.rivbike.com/Staff-Bikes-s/766.htm
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Home made frame protection from handlebars swinging around and denting the
tt is usually what those are for, IMO.
On Feb 3, 2013 1:23 AM, Zack zack...@gmail.com wrote:
What do you think the purpose of the little bit of wrap/twine on the top
tube is on sean's bike (looks like jenny has one on
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