On Thu, May 9, 2013 at 10:27 PM, Evan evanellio...@gmail.com wrote:
Now that this thread has cooled off -- and also because Grant started a new
follow-up post -- may I ask you-all some very basic questions about trail?
You can get back issues of Bike Quarterly for a reasonable price. A
good
Deacon,
I doubt it's as quiet as a cotton chambray shirt, but it is as quiet as an
old 60/40 cotton/nylon jacket I have. I absolutely cannot abide a noisy
jacket. . .
Cheers!
lyle
On 9 May 2013 22:16, Deacon Patrick lamontg...@mac.com wrote:
Thank you, Lyle. Could you do me a favor and tell
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe the Soma forks have 1-1/8 threadless
steerers - too big to fit in Riv frames, which are made for 1 steerers. So
converting your Riv to low trail isn't quite that easy.
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On Thu, 2013-05-09 at 22:27 -0700, Evan wrote:
Now that this thread has cooled off -- and also because Grant started
a new follow-up post -- may I ask you-all some very basic questions
about trail?
This may help: http://yojimg.net/bike/web_tools/trailcalc.php
1. Does fork rake/offset
Very helpful, Lyle. May be worth a shot. Thank you!
With abandon,
Patrick
On Friday, May 10, 2013 5:10:52 AM UTC-6, LyleBogart{AT}gmail.com wrote:
Deacon,
I doubt it's as quiet as a cotton chambray shirt, but it is as quiet as an
old 60/40 cotton/nylon jacket I have. I absolutely cannot
And 650b wheels-love my 52cm 'Beam!
Steve
On Tue, May 7, 2013 at 2:43 PM, Rick Houston rp.hous...@gmail.com wrote:
Dan, the smaller QB's (Erin's was a 52) used sidepulls.
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe the Soma forks have 1-1/8
threadless steerers - too big to fit in Riv frames, which are made for 1
steerers. So converting your Riv to low trail isn't quite that easy.
I do not know about Soma, but the Rene Herse store currently has 1
threadless
I intend to come up from Michigan. I'll roll with your plan to get a sight at
Forestville for three nights and return Monday. I can get my own or share, if
sharing is a possibility, let me know in a few days, Otherwise I will reserve
one next Wed.
Marc Irwin
irwin7...@gmail.com
269-910-3251
actually the smaller wheel diameter of the 650B reduces the trail on the
example provided. The mechanical trail per Jim's calculator is 43 mm for
the 700c wheel and 40 mm for the 650B wheel. Both would be considered low
trail.
~mike
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Great! So far I know of three people who reserved sites. Rumor has it that
the park rangers are flexible about the number of small tents, so I think
you can probably count on sharing a site, if you choose. The campground has
a number of non-reservable sites, for those who show up without
Thanks, Jan-terrific reading, and it informs the discussion to have it
direct from (one of) the horses mouth as it were...
Steve
On Wed, May 8, 2013 at 6:37 PM, Jan Heine hein...@earthlink.net wrote:
I think there is less difference between Grant's ideas and Bicycle Quarterly
than many
My new Tan Sackville SaddleSack arrived in the mail this morning! Took it
for a ride and I love it. On the looks...I think tan goes with more color
schemes than green or tweed.
On Thursday, May 9, 2013 1:25:14 PM UTC-7, Peter M wrote:
Thought I wouldn't like them but now that the pictures
I'm leaning strongly toward a San Marcos, but I can't seem to let go of the
idea of having a faster Roadeo. I like to do long solo rides. I ride with
others on occasion, but I don’t worry about racing or drafting anybody. I
want to be fast (doesn't everybody?) but I also want to be
Dont you need to have a harmonica to be a hobo?
On Thu, May 9, 2013 at 9:18 PM, Norman R norr...@gmail.com wrote:
I felt it here:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/norro/8651662543/in/set-72157633249441487/
On Thursday, May 9, 2013 9:00:17 PM UTC-4, hsmitham wrote:
That last was meant for
Some of the things that influence trail include:
fork rake
head tube angle
tire width
rim diameter
I suspect that the following influence the feel of trail:
handlebar height
handlebar width
point-of-balance on the bicycle
I've used the trail calculator linked in this thread quit a bit and
It could very well be the tires/wheels that influenced my comparison of the SM
to the the Ram. My Roadeo runs on Gran Bois 30 mm. My Ram sported
Parigi-Roubaix 27mm (really 29mm) and my SM has Paselas. All of the wheels are
traditional box rims laced to Campy hubs. Neither the Ram nor the
Mouth harp would work too.
On May 10, 2013 1:39 PM, Lee Legrand krm2...@gmail.com wrote:
Dont you need to have a harmonica to be a hobo?
On Thu, May 9, 2013 at 9:18 PM, Norman R norr...@gmail.com wrote:
I felt it here:
Indeed. Reminds me of a quote I read in a novel, something like
Academic infighting is so vicious because the stakes are so small.
B-)
Steve
On Wed, May 8, 2013 at 10:26 PM, RonaTD teddur...@gmail.com wrote:
I am completely baffled by people who seem determined to pick a fight over
Jan vs
*
I the latest Riv Blug there’s a cool little photo essay of shots of fork
crowns, all found in the East Village of NYC. Before heading out the door
this morning I headed down to the basement a snapped a couple quick pics of
similar fork crowns. Not great pics - taken with the iPad on the fly,
or just hambone it!
On Fri, May 10, 2013 at 12:40 PM, Peter Morgano uscpeter11...@gmail.comwrote:
Mouth harp would work too.
On May 10, 2013 1:39 PM, Lee Legrand krm2...@gmail.com wrote:
Dont you need to have a harmonica to be a hobo?
On Thu, May 9, 2013 at 9:18 PM, Norman R
Doug, I know exactly what you mean. I too am looking for a road quick bike
that i can put albatross bars on and be COMFORTABLE. Age creeps up on us
and riding can become a burden if there is a long recovery. That doesn't
make us want to not go faster...it just makes us hurt more if we do. I
I'm quite confident that you can get into the right position in terms
of saddle height bars etc. on both the San Marcos and the Roadeo.
I'm also pretty sure that a half a pound here or there is not going to
make you appreciably faster on a long solo ride.
I think the tires that you use will make
Both the TA rings have been claimed.
The two 48T FSA rings as a pair $60,
OR all three FSA rings (2x48, 1x46) $89
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Grant and Jan, thanks. Both of you helped me look at cycling in new ways
and I'm really grateful. Keep up the good work.
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On Fri, 2013-05-10 at 06:43 -0700, Chris Lampe 2 wrote:
Some of the things that influence trail include:
fork rake
head tube angle
tire width
rim diameter
I suspect that the following influence the feel of trail:
handlebar height
handlebar width
point-of-balance on the bicycle
The weather here in Portland has been spectacularly and
uncharacteristically magnificent for the past week. I was fortunate
yesterday to get out for a nice 90 mile ramble. I've been cherishing these
rides lately as things will be changing soon and I won't have the ability
to get out for rides
$350? Seems pricey.
Edwin in Nashville - saw it on craigslit, but it is too small!
On Thursday, May 9, 2013 10:49:50 PM UTC-5, cwr wrote:
Not mine.
Nashville Craigslist http://nashville.craigslist.org/bik/3795488956.html
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Thanks, everyone, for your answers regarding trail. (Pneumatic trail vs.
geometric trail? Whoa. It's even more complicated than I thought!)
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On Fri, 2013-05-10 at 15:28 -0700, Evan wrote:
Thanks, everyone, for your answers regarding trail. (Pneumatic trail
vs. geometric trail? Whoa. It's even more complicated than I thought!)
The end result -- intuitive handling -- is easy. The variables to get
you there are subtle. It's only
Dave Moulton's blog (http://davesbikeblog.squarespace.com/) discusses trail
toward the bottom where a link takes you to an earlier entry on trail --
and that in turn to a yet older one. I can't say if he is right, but he has
certainly ridden a lot and built a lot of bikes. At any rate, an
Just wundrin if you can sit almost bolt upright with them on your Riv.
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I wouldn't say bolt upright. The Boscos are better for that, if that's your
goal.
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If you go with a short stem, you can get super upright. I had the short
stem/alba (actually Soma Oxford, but whatever) on my Soma bike and it was
seriously upright. I went with a longer (12cm) stem on my Riv with the
Oxfords and it's a totally different feel; I can angle the bars down and
lean
Whether the parts will let you achieve this position or no, has anyone
asked whether it's a good idea to do so?
n Fri, 2013-05-10 at 17:46 -0700, Scot Brooks wrote:
If you go with a short stem, you can get super upright. I had the
short stem/alba (actually Soma Oxford, but whatever) on my
Seeing these pics has me thinking that your suggestion of doing our family
bike tour up the Clackamas is a great idea. Gadzooks it's pretty up there.
On Friday, May 10, 2013 2:11:55 PM UTC-7, Mike wrote:
The weather here in Portland has been spectacularly and
uncharacteristically
If it works...it's a good idea
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What a great discussion. As someone who has changed two of his four
Rivendell bikes to low trail forks to try to discover what the whole trail
thing was about, I can say the following in a completely subjective manner:
- Had I discovered Jan's low trail randonneurs instead of Grant's versatile
I probably wouldn't pay that much, either, but that funky Japan-market
rack/lights combo is hard to find on our shores.
On Friday, May 10, 2013 2:26:35 PM UTC-7, Edwin W wrote:
$350? Seems pricey.
Edwin in Nashville - saw it on craigslit, but it is too small!
On Thursday, May 9, 2013
On Fri, 2013-05-10 at 20:09 -0600, René Sterental wrote:
- Had I discovered Jan's low trail randonneurs instead of Grant's
versatile Rivendell mid-trail bikes, I would have completely missed
the boat and would have become convinced that riding any bike
pain-free was an utopic dream (for
Uh oh ... here we go again. :)
What isn't a good idea for some ... perhaps many ... maybe even the
overwhelming majority of active cyclists in this world ... may just be the
only way one single individual is capable of getting out and enjoying a
ride without pain. I know people with nice
Who is judging? Steve just asked the question. This reaction seems a bit
excessive. It's spring, fer gawd's sake, let's go and ride off our excess
sensitivity.
Patrick let's all get a life Moore who had a very nice ride on his Ram
today and ***didn't even get a flat***.
On Fri, May 10, 2013 at
On Fri, 2013-05-10 at 19:28 -0700, VeloZen wrote:
Uh oh ... here we go again. :)
What isn't a good idea for some ... perhaps many ... maybe even the
overwhelming majority of active cyclists in this world ... may just be
the only way one single individual is capable of getting out and
Low trail fork will not transform Rivendell into a complete randonneur
bicycle. It takes more than just a fork.
On Fri, May 10, 2013 at 9:50 PM, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote:
On Fri, 2013-05-10 at 19:28 -0700, VeloZen wrote:
Uh oh ... here we go again. :)
What isn't a good
Anyone just ride a bike today? I have the flu and would rather hear about
fun stuff and not drivel like trail.
On May 10, 2013 11:31 PM, Alex Zeibot veloban...@gmail.com wrote:
Low trail fork will not transform Rivendell into a complete randonneur
bicycle. It takes more than just a fork.
On
http://www.benscycle.net/images/870-995.jpg
You can get as high as you like with them, using a Nitto quill adapter and
a zero or greater degree threadless stem .
http://www.benscycle.net/index.php?main_page=product_infoproducts_id=13753zenid=490e0d7e35095acc42d0c68d3657
If you want to
Jeez Mike that looks like a great day on the bike.Glad you were able to get
out.-Mike
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On May 10, 2013, at 2:11 PM, Mike mjawn...@gmail.com wrote:
The weather here in Portland has been spectacularly and uncharacteristically
magnificent for the past week. I was
I'm telling you, head out that way and up to Timothy Lake, just be aware
that to get to Timothy Lake you'll have to do some climbing and there's one
section that's gravel. If you stay right on Hwy 224 it's beautiful with
only a few rises here and there. You could head to Detroit Lake. I'm off
You Oregonians are killin'n me with your photos! I spent the '70's riding all
over Oregon, your photos make me homesick, that last shot of Hood looked
vaguely familiar. I do get out there occasionally to see my kids so I can get
satiated temporally, the NW has always felt like home.
Thanks for
I know how you feel. Anytime someone post pictures of the Marin Headlands
or Mt Tam I get super homesick.
--mike
On Friday, May 10, 2013 9:17:18 PM UTC-7, bwphoto wrote:
You Oregonians are killin'n me with your photos! I spent the '70's riding
all over Oregon, your photos make me homesick,
Would like to do this but do not want to bust a gut cranking up
hills..a SO24 would be fun. Finding a safe route with some climbing but
not crazy would be nice. I live north of St. Helen's and my area is pretty
hilly (foothills Mt. Rainier) I've ridden the Cheahalis area around the
asphalt
the WillapaTrails idea looks good however
On Friday, May 10, 2013 10:12:30 PM UTC-7, charlie wrote:
Would like to do this but do not want to bust a gut cranking up
hills..a SO24 would be fun. Finding a safe route with some climbing but
not crazy would be nice. I live north of
On Friday, May 10, 2013 7:27:02 PM UTC-7, Steve Palincsar wrote:
Handlebar position has nothing to do with whether a bike has low, medium
or high trail.
I don't know if that is entirely true. Certainly, lower trail bikes favor
having a load at the front to feel normal, at least for me.
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