Re: [RBW] Re: Mini-Beam

I never used the chain hanger on my Quickbeam, since I had already hooked the chain over the fork ends in order to remove the wheel. Philip www.biketinker.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group

[RBW] Quickbeam/Simple One as Singletrack MTB?

I think riding my Quickbeam fixed on singletrack is fantastic fun. You'd be looking at cyclocross tires for the most part. David is right on with the clearance maxing out a bit over 40mm. I think I have my tire size greed under control now, but it's been 10 years of trimming side knobs and

[RBW] WTB: Nitto Tallux 8cm stem

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Re: [RBW] Re: Wet 300k

Ahh, rando! With 2015 PBP as my goal I'm at it this year. My last brevet was a 300k DNF in 2011. I abandoned after157 miles. I rode 175 miles 2 weeks later although not a sanctioned brevet. I think it's over 50% mental because at some point in a ride that long you will almost certainly not feel

[RBW] Re: Remember the Turtles?

I grew up obsessed with turtles and it all started with a pet store red eared slider i named Turk. At one point I had over a dozen 'guest' turtles I had caught locally in VA or down in NC... All eventually making their way back to the wild. Thanks for sharing! -- You received this message

Re: [RBW] Re: Wet 300k

PBP is such a cool goal! Good luck with your SR series. Sounds like your of to a great start with all the weight loss. I'm not able to figure out how to carve the time needed for the super long events, both training and the actual for score brevets but I have so much respect for those who do!

Re: [RBW] Wet 300k

Ha! JimD --- On Mar 31, 2014, at 8:32 PM, Jim Bronson jim.bron...@gmail.com wrote: It gets more mental than physical after a while. Sometimes it's a fine line between having enough caffeine to stay awake but not so much one has a panic attack. On Mar 31, 2014 7:05 PM, Michael

Re: [RBW] Re: Riv on tires. LOL!

It makes absolute total sense that you need different saddles for different riding positions. The people who don't like it either don't fit it or are misapplying it. On another board a guy was bad-mouthing his B17 which he moved from road race bike to road race bike over several years and

[RBW] Re: Quickbeam/Simple One as Singletrack MTB?

Having discovered the joys of riding a cross-ish setup bike ('86 B-stone T700 w/ mustache bars) on our local offroad offerings, a 40-32 XD double just arrived from Rivbike for the S1. I think the fatter tires than 27x1 3/8 and the simpler nature of gearing will make it tons o fun offroad. On

[RBW] Re: Wet 300k

Speaking of the long rides, the lass at Lovely Bicycle is Brevat ready and writing poetry about it! http://lovelybike.blogspot.com/2014/04/brevet-ready.html With abandon, Patrick -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To

[RBW] Hunqapillar Roadish Touring to MTB Conversion

When I got my Hunqapillar two years ago this very month I outfitted him (his name is Shadowfax, not for his color, but for the quality that once on it's his responsibility to keep you there and if you do fall off it's your own fault. Considering I ride with constant neurological vertigo and can

[RBW] Re: Remember the Turtles?

Thanks for the reminder! I've got a friend about 25 miles away that has 4 tortoises (bigguns) and a whole turtle room in his house. This is the time of year to hang out with the big boys, they get pretty active in early Spring. Looks like I'll have to find the time for a 50 mile day w/ my

[RBW] Re: Quickbeam/Simple One as Singletrack MTB?

I'll second the El Mariachi recommendation. I've got a second generation steel El Mariachi with the sliding dropouts. I had it set up as a single speed for awhile, then built up a wheel around a Shimano Nexus 3 speed internal hub, which I treat like a single speed with a bail out gear, and a

[RBW] Re: Bosco Bullmoose Bars

I also found this thread very helpful. The pictures were great. Thank you all for the effort. Jim D Massachusetts On Monday, March 31, 2014 12:51:35 PM UTC-4, John Philip wrote: Here's a pic where you can see both the Woodchipper and the Midge. I like them both.

[RBW] Introduction and Sam Hillborne / AHH Sizing Advice

Hello Group! My name is Avery Wilson. I've chimed in on a few discussions over the past year, but I've been reading the group pretty consistently for a year or so. I currently have a 56cm Sam Hillborne (one of the blue headtube web specials from last year). See a pic here

Re: [RBW] Hunqapillar Roadish Touring to MTB Conversion

They all sound like well thought out changes for a more dirt-oriented bike. If you go w/ the Bullmoose type bar, you're going to be less upright, and a B17 should work really well. You can slide back on those pretty easily. I found that I still wanted a bit more mobility on the saddle, and

Re: [RBW] Introduction and Sam Hillborne / AHH Sizing Advice

Hi Avery, the bike looks great! Sams have a sloping top tube, so you're going to have more post showing than on a Homer. As pictured, it looks fine. FYI, I have an 89 PBH and ride 60 to 61cm Riv frames happily. For me having the the top tube length dialed in at 590mm (+/-5mm) is what I look for.

[RBW] WTT - My 42cm Noodles for your 46 or 48cm Noodles

Good morning, I have a set of 42cm Noodle bars I bought to try them out, but I need something a little wider. They are clean with minimal wear - the typical zigzag lines from mounting the brake levers. I'll ship you mine if you ship me yours. If no one has Noodles to offer, I'm very interested

[RBW] Re: FS 50 cm Silver Quickbeam -$1500

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[RBW] Re: Bosco Bullmoose Bars

I have Midge bars and Sparrow bars, and they're very different animals. The Midges feel like flared drops, with several usable hand positions, and they take road brake levers and bar-end shifters. The Sparrows really only have one hand position, at the ends, and are more like Dove or Albatross

[RBW] Re: Quickbeam/Simple One as Singletrack MTB?

Some pictures of BG 43mm Rock 'n Roads on my 66cm QuickBeam. They just... barely... fit... and while they didn't rub, I was worried they would be too tight if any mud or rim wobble happened. https://www.flickr.com/photos/71141757@N02/7531752382/ While I still have Jack Blues on there now, and

[RBW] Quickbeam/Simple One as Singletrack MTB?

My Simpleone has Bruce Gordon Rock and Road tires in 43 mm. These tires absolutely rock on my bike! Reasonable to use on the road also. I have a 1991 Sumpjumper and a new Surly one x one, both nice enough bikes however, the Simpleone out does both of these bikes with ease. I can't hang with the

[RBW] Re: Hunqapillar Roadish Touring to MTB Conversion

On saddles: I would say that that a B.17 would definitely let you get farther back on descents than a B.68, but a good investment in this area might also be the lugged Wayback post. Even if you don't use every mm of setback it offers, you will have a bit more range of adjustment to dial in

[RBW] Re: Quickbeam/Simple One as Singletrack MTB?

I think it has a lot to do with where you find your challenges. Back when I first got enthralled by cyclocross and the bicycles, I started venturing onto more and more challenging trails. What I found is that the technique is very different. The closest I can describe (if you have ever

[RBW] Re: Remember the Turtles?

Pretty much sums up my thoughts on the subject: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CMNry4PE93Y --mike -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to

[RBW] Re: Wet 300k

Brian, congrats on the finish. Was this your first 300k? I know I've said this before here but I'll just repeat it. The 300k is probably my favorite brevet length. Sure, it's hard, I've had my moments on 300ks, but ultimately, it's just a nice long day in the saddle and depending on speed and

[RBW] Re: Introduction and Sam Hillborne / AHH Sizing Advice

I think your best bet is to talk to Grant when you decide to purchase. You probably ordered your Sam from a limited supply of specials, so didn't have many options in your size range. An Hilsen purchase would be built-to-order in exactly the size you need, and you can expect the Riv crew to

Re: [RBW] Re: Remember the Turtles?

That's awesome! And in character no less. Tom, thanks...we had a pond with turtles but the raccoon's kept making our pond a dinner stop so we took them to a larger pond at Descanso Gardens with a bunch of turtle friends. Last I saw was a little head with a red chin popping up from the surface of

[RBW] Re: Hunqapillar Roadish Touring to MTB Conversion

Saddle: I like my B17, but wouldn't have one on a dedicated mountain bike. I can get behind the one on my Quickbeam, but it's a trick to get back on top of it. I haven't ridden my newish-to-me Swift off road yet. I have a Bontrager saddle from 1999 that has clipped rear ears to facilitate

[RBW] Re: Introduction and Sam Hillborne / AHH Sizing Advice

Avery, What both of these fine gentlemen said is correct. Since I have a shorter PBH I can't speak to the larger sized Homer, however I do ride a 58cm Homer and it is the most versatile bike I've ever owned. With the right tires it's a fairly fast road warrior, with the Rumpkin's (Soma is

Re: [RBW] Re: Introduction and Sam Hillborne / AHH Sizing Advice

Where are my manners, Avery welcome to the group. ~Hugh Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance, you must keep moving. -- Albert Einstein http://velocipedemusings.blogspot.com/ On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 10:06 AM, hsmitham hughsmit...@gmail.com wrote: Avery, What both of these

[RBW] New Edeluxe Light Source - LENR

Although I don't have the funds at the moment - I'm tempted to try this as an alternative to my dynamo wheel: http://www.renehersestore.com/servlet/the-1339/ZZ---/Detail Having read the Gary Taubes book on Cold Fusion, I'm somewhat skeptical about the veracity of claims made about LENR. But

Re: [RBW] Hunqapillar Roadish Touring to MTB Conversion

Thanks, David. Heck, give me two years and loads of wisdom from this grand lot and I can cobble together something that seems well thought out. Grin. With abandon, Patrick On Tuesday, April 1, 2014 9:25:19 AM UTC-6, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote: They all sound like well thought out changes for a

[RBW] Re: New Edeluxe Light Source - LENR

I might get one for my spaceship - just finished building it in my shed and I forgot about lighting. On Tuesday, April 1, 2014 11:15:47 AM UTC-6, Corwin wrote: Although I don't have the funds at the moment - I'm tempted to try this as an alternative to my dynamo wheel:

[RBW] Re: Hunqapillar Roadish Touring to MTB Conversion

Thanks, everyone! Great help! Jeremy, I actually have my B68 in the middle, so I imagine I'll be fine with whatever saddle I use on my current setup? Jeremy and Philip and John (who wrote me off group), great gearing idea! I talked to my LBS and they can do the rock guard double conversion

[RBW] Re: Introduction and Sam Hillborne / AHH Sizing Advice

Avery, I have an older 56 SH and run about the same amount of post, in an AHH i'd ride a 58 or a 60. As others point out i would not focus on the amount of seatpost but instead on the TT length, if you're not feeling cramped then i'd find the AHH that would give you a similiar TT length.

[RBW] Re: New Edeluxe Light Source - LENR

Considering the date: April 1st … I'm inclined to laugh! And man, do I miss the old days of Cyclingnews.com …. On Tuesday, April 1, 2014 1:22:47 PM UTC-4, IanA wrote: I might get one for my spaceship - just finished building it in my shed and I forgot about lighting. On Tuesday, April 1,

[RBW] Re: New Edeluxe Light Source - LENR

Dang it! They are out of stock! I need one for my new Rivendell Custom Recumbent! On Tuesday, April 1, 2014 10:15:47 AM UTC-7, Corwin wrote: Although I don't have the funds at the moment - I'm tempted to try this as an alternative to my dynamo wheel:

Re: [RBW] Re: New Edeluxe Light Source - LENR

I got the last one! On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 11:10 AM, Bill Lindsay tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: Dang it! They are out of stock! I need one for my new Rivendell Custom Recumbent! On Tuesday, April 1, 2014 10:15:47 AM UTC-7, Corwin wrote: Although I don't have the funds at the moment - I'm

Re: [RBW] Re: New Edeluxe Light Source - LENR

I'm not sure this things is such a great idea. What happens when you are on that ride on the 364th day of year 36, it's raining and dark and you light goes out? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group

Re: [RBW] Re: New Edeluxe Light Source - LENR

Well, then you drink the kool-aid inside the power unit. On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 11:21 AM, Ginz theg...@gmail.com wrote: I'm not sure this things is such a great idea. What happens when you are on that ride on the 364th day of year 36, it's raining and dark and you light goes out? -- You

[RBW] FS: Nitto R-14, Resist Nomads, Kenda

Hey group, for sale is a Nitto R-14, used, some scratches, but 100% functional $80+ shipping, Resist Nomad tires. $20/ pair + shipping. Kenda Karma tires 29x 1.9 , like new, $10/pair + shipping. Contact off list, thank you! -Mike -- You received this message because you are subscribed

[RBW] Re: Introduction and Sam Hillborne / AHH Sizing Advice

Hi Avery, Welcome! I agree with everyone else that your amount of seat post, while more than a fistful, is not at all bad. As for getting a Homer to replace your Sam: Grant says that the two bikes are functionally equivalent, so if one goes for the Homer, one is choosing it mainly for its

Re: [RBW] Re: New Edeluxe Light Source - LENR

I miss Sheldon every April 1. ShelBroCo's annual product announcements were always so inspiring. The Rivendell Sauron was perhaps the pinnacle. Best wishes to Sheldon's family, friends and coworkers- and to us all! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups

[RBW] Re: Introduction and Sam Hillborne / AHH Sizing Advice

Well, I wonder if my very small level of dissatisfaction (I am about 95% happy!) could be cured by lighter wheel/tire setup, and maybe a longer stem.. I have a 12cm TechDeluxe that I could put on, but that entails unwrapping and rewrapping half of my bars. :) So a little description of the

Re: [RBW] Re: Hunqapillar Roadish Touring to MTB Conversion

Patrick, I have the wide/low 40X26 crank paired with 9sp 12-36t cassette. While I haven't had the chance (yet) to ride it in the mountains, the setup has been great. Bob On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 1:36 PM, Deacon Patrick lamontg...@mac.com wrote: Thanks, everyone! Great help! Jeremy, I actually

Re: [RBW] Re: Introduction and Sam Hillborne / AHH Sizing Advice

Wouldn't a 59cm San Marcos fit the bill? The fact it is less than half the price doesn't hurt either. On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 3:06 PM, Avery Wilson avewil...@gmail.com wrote: Well, I wonder if my very small level of dissatisfaction (I am about 95% happy!) could be cured by lighter wheel/tire

Re: [RBW] Re: Introduction and Sam Hillborne / AHH Sizing Advice

My wife rides a San Marcos... While it's a beautiful bike, I'm not sure I want to match! Call it vanity, but that's what I'm at ;) On Apr 1, 2014 3:21 PM, Peter Morgano uscpeter11...@gmail.com wrote: Wouldn't a 59cm San Marcos fit the bill? The fact it is less than half the price doesn't hurt

[RBW] Re: Introduction and Sam Hillborne / AHH Sizing Advice

Ahh, the stem is a good place to start. I've used Albas on several bikes, and even on frames right at the edge of too big I always needed a 12cm stem. Those bars have a good bit of reach-back, and can make you feel cramped if the stem is too short. The bar-end shifters will exacerbate this

[RBW] Re: New Edeluxe Light Source - LENR

Rivendell Sauron. LMAO. My evil mind immediately flashed to a salamander hued contraption with 16 inch wheels and a low slung frame.. It would be the Rivendell Gollum. Me precious, Tom On Tuesday, April 1, 2014 10:15:47 AM UTC-7, Corwin wrote: Although I don't have the funds at the

[RBW] Re: Introduction and Sam Hillborne / AHH Sizing Advice

but that entails unwrapping and rewrapping half of my bars. :) If you really are willing to buy a $2300 frame just to avoid re-wrapping your bars, I will commit to doing your stem swap for you for significantly less than $2300. ;-) Seriously though, my saddle height is 75.5cm. I ride a 56

Re: [RBW] Re: New Edeluxe Light Source - LENR

Word of the day is EnduRAD http://www.pinkbike.com/news/felt-bicycles-559-endurrad-enduro-specific-wheelsize-2014.html Cheers, David it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride. - Seth Vidal On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 12:38 PM, Tom Virgil tevir...@gmail.com wrote: Rivendell Sauron. LMAO. My

Re: [RBW] Re: Introduction and Sam Hillborne / AHH Sizing Advice

My wife would love matching bikes! Then she would stop telling me an mb2 is not a Rivendell, haha. On Apr 1, 2014 3:25 PM, Avery E Wilson avewil...@gmail.com wrote: My wife rides a San Marcos... While it's a beautiful bike, I'm not sure I want to match! Call it vanity, but that's what I'm at ;)

Re: [RBW] Re: New Edeluxe Light Source - LENR

I'm going to make a YouTube instructional video, showing you how to do an EnduRAD conversion on your played-out archaic 26 mountain bike. There are some very specific measurements to qualify your existing 26 wheel mountain bike as a viable EnduRAD conversion candidate. Most people will miss

[RBW] Re: Introduction and Sam Hillborne / AHH Sizing Advice

Welcome, Avery! Great looking bike! I'll echo everyone else's input that the seat post is not an immodest amount. I've found that part of the journey with my Hunqapillar is discovering the many variations of fit and function and how we get along. I would suggest you play with the small bits

[RBW] Re: Hunqapillar Roadish Touring to MTB Conversion

Utter simplicity is simply keeping the crank you have , I assume you have an XD w/24/36/4x ? You don't have to remove the outer ring unless you want to replace it with a chainguard . Set you FD to not shift into the big ring if you like. A VBC crank requires special chainrings only

[RBW] Re: Hunqapillar Roadish Touring to MTB Conversion

Great point, Garth. Simplicity is what I am after and you make a great point on the WI VBC crank. So, that is the plan -- with a spacer added to the bb to shift things over and give me more tire clearance with an improved chain line. With abandon, Patrick On Tuesday, April 1, 2014 3:13:03 PM

[RBW] Re: WTT: White Ind. ENO rings, hub

44t ring gone. Pictures: Silver 135mm 32 hole ENO Eccentric hub: https://flic.kr/p/mB6Uu3 ENO silver rings: https://flic.kr/p/mB4Hpm I'll also take money for these. Rings are $35 shipped. Hub is $100 shipped. Thanks, Philip www.biketinker.com On Sunday, March 30, 2014 4:53:35 PM UTC-7,

[RBW] Re: Hunqapillar Roadish Touring to MTB Conversion

I have tried to deal with the dilemma of a truly versitile bike by having two wheelsets, one for the fatties and one of concrete. I use the SKS Velo 55 fendershttp://simplecycle-marc.blogspot.com/2013/08/err-towards-practical.htmlwhich work for tires up to 46mm (like Big Bens) and can be

[RBW] Keven/Vince style thumbshifters

Inspired by Grants post about Liesl's gorgeous new bike, I swapped around my paul thumbies on a pair of boscos. Right paul to the left side, left paul to right side. Instead of the actual thumbshifter being on the outside where there can be overlap between where the shifter is and where your

[RBW] Re: Keven/Vince style thumbshifters

I just did that same set up on Bosco Bullmooses. I'll post some pictures tonight, most likely. On Tuesday, April 1, 2014 3:45:41 PM UTC-7, Dave wrote: Inspired by Grants post about Liesl's gorgeous new bike, I swapped around my paul thumbies on a pair of boscos. Right paul to the left

[RBW] Re: Hunqapillar Roadish Touring to MTB Conversion

The Selle Titanico is a good leather saddle for mountain biking; long and narrow, long rails for easy setback, watershed finish, not overly priced, and reasonably attractive. On Tuesday, April 1, 2014 10:02:59 AM UTC-4, Deacon Patrick wrote: When I got my Hunqapillar two years ago this very

[RBW] Re: Introduction and Sam Hillborne / AHH Sizing Advice

Welcome to the forum. I would call Rivendell and ask them. They would probably be best to tell you. Measure your PBH and tell them what it is when you get them on the phone. 2. You can see the geometry chart for the Hilsen to see the standover heights and the top tube lengths to see if

[RBW] Re: Introduction and Sam Hillborne / AHH Sizing Advice

I would find a lighter wheel set with nicer tires to test out on your current rig and see how that changes your ride. I think you'll be surprised how much difference those two things could impact your experience. Disclosure, I have a 700c XT/Dynohub/Synergy wheel set going up for sale soon.

[RBW] Re: Introduction and Sam Hillborne / AHH Sizing Advice

Avery: It's always fun to welcome someone new to the group. To your question, a more performance oriented wheelset / tire choice could be your last 5%. I have an Atlantis with Mavic A719 rims (stout, touring hoops) and have run various Schwalbe tires for ages. Simply changing to the Soma

Re: [RBW] Re: Introduction and Sam Hillborne / AHH Sizing Advice

Well Avery, my wife rides an Atlantis (sheer blind luck, no planning went into the choice) so we get a lot of matching comments. Hey, what works, just works! dougP On Tuesday, April 1, 2014 12:25:55 PM UTC-7, Avery Wilson wrote: My wife rides a San Marcos... While it's a beautiful bike, I'm

Re: [RBW] FS/WTT - Chris King, 10 Speed STI, WI Eno, Nitto, Tires

Sold a couple, here is the latest list. Help me keep up the spring cleaning!! Available for Sale/Trade (trade preferred, offers welcome, shipping not included in prices below): *PICTURES HERE*http://tonydphoto.smugmug.com/Personal/Tonys-Bike-Stuff-for-Sale/i-Kg9N2LW -$110 Chris King

Re: [RBW] FS/WTT - Chris King, 10 Speed STI, WI Eno, Nitto, Tires

Sold a couple, here is the latest list. Help me keep up the spring cleaning!! Available for Sale/Trade (trade preferred, offers welcome, shipping not included in prices below): *PICTURES HERE*http://tonydphoto.smugmug.com/Personal/Tonys-Bike-Stuff-for-Sale/i-Kg9N2LW -(new to list) $140 WI

Re: [RBW] Re: New Edeluxe Light Source - LENR

Ha. Felt's Virtue Nine One is already so light, I thought the limit had been reached. After riding the new 559 EnduRAD bike, I realize Felt has raised the bar again. Or lowered the bar. The weight is definitely lower, so maybe that means the bar is lower now too. In this metaphor I think

[RBW] Re: Barlow Pass - using it, liking it

Could you describe why you love them? On Sunday, March 30, 2014 10:24:44 PM UTC-4, frank_a wrote: Also using it, and loving it! https://www.flickr.com/photos/8531240@N06/13526699433/in/photostream/ - Frank On Sunday, March 30, 2014 9:20:40 PM UTC-4, James Warren wrote: -- You

Re: [RBW] Re: Barlow Pass - using it, liking it

They roll very smoothly. The bike feels more efficient than it does with other similarly wide tires, while the 37 mm width gives so much confidence over bumps in the road. They felt very smooth on the fire road as well.-Original Message- From: Mike On A Bike Sent:

[RBW] Berthoud Saddles

Anyone here have experience with Berthoud Saddles? From what I can tell they are thicker, better quality, and more comfortable than Brooks are, sounding like what people say of Brooks from 30 years ago. Boulder cycles also has a 6 month saddle guarantee, which is attractive. With abandon,

Re: [RBW] Berthoud Saddles

This might be an odd observation but I found that Berthoud Saddles are more slippery than Brooks. I ended up not preferring Brooks Jason On Apr 1, 2014, at 10:07 PM, Deacon Patrick lamontg...@mac.com wrote: Anyone here have experience with Berthoud Saddles? From what I can tell they are

Re: [RBW] Re: Barlow Pass - using it, liking it

Any insights on how they compare with Soma C-Lines? Same size and weight (Interestingly, that's 10g per mm). Cheers, David it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride. - Seth Vidal On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 10:03 PM, James Warren jimcwar...@earthlink.netwrote: They roll very smoothly. The bike

Re: [RBW] Berthoud Saddles

Thanks, Jason. Could you please tell my what you mean, what you experienced with the more slippery Berthoud and why you prefer it to the Brooks? With abandon, Patrick On Tuesday, April 1, 2014 11:23:18 PM UTC-6, JL wrote: This might be an odd observation but I found that Berthoud Saddles are